When are believers in Christ ?

[brightfame52]

This should not be difficult to understand.
We get crucified with Christ when and only when our “old man” is crucified. (Romans 6:6, see below).
So, When was Paul’s old man crucified? Was the old Paul or the new Paul who persecuted Christians?
Certainly, Paul’s old man was crucified after his encounter with Christ in the road to Damascus.

“…knowing this, that our old man has been crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be destroyed, and we should no longer be slaves to sin”

So @civic and @Johann are right. In Galatians 2:20 Paul was describing his present condition… a condition that didn’t exist before his conversion.

Rabbit trail. Paul is saying he was crucified with Christ, that denotes a union he had with Christ when He died, Christ didn't die as a private person but as a Head with a Body, just like when adam died in the garden for sinning, he didnt die as a private person but as the natural head of men, and they were in him when he sinned and died.

 

[Johann]

Rabbit trail. Paul is saying he was crucified with Christ, that denotes a union he had with Christ when He died, Christ didn't die as a private person but as a Head with a Body, just like when adam died in the garden for sinning, he didnt die as a private person but as the natural head of men, and they were in him when he sinned and died.

Did Jesus sin?

J.

 

[brightfame52]

Right-now explain this for me--When was Paul co-crucified with Messiah and who was the agent? The Middle/Passive is your answer.

J.

Im not explaining nothing to you, because you dont understand things already.

 

[brightfame52]

How far past? Before the foundation of the world? Question was WHEN was Paul co-crucified with Messiah?

Ephesians 1:4 (SBL Greek New Testament):
καθὼς ἐξελέξατο ἡμᾶς ἐν αὐτῷ πρὸ καταβολῆς κόσμου
"Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him in love."

Is this what you are saying @brightfame52?

J.

In the past when Christ died on the cross, duh

 

[Johann]

Im not explaining nothing to you, because you dont understand things already.

No problem.

J.

 

[brightfame52]

The completed action is the Crucifixion which was in the past. That completed action has present continuous results/effects on all Christians.

We do not believe in the preexistance of souls. Sounds like you're one step away from becoming a Mormon.

Duh Paul was crucified with Christ, crucified has the word sun connected, which means WITH ; a primary preposition denoting union;

 

[Johann]

In the past when Christ died on the cross, duh

So there's hope for sinners-the non-elect, well done @brightfame52.

J.

 

[brightfame52]

Did Jesus sin?

J.

More desperate rabbit trail

 

[synergy]

Duh Paul was crucified with Christ, crucified has the word sun connected, which means WITH ; a primary preposition denoting union;

You've now confirmed to everyone that you're a Mormon because of your soul preexistence heretical belief. When is your official confirmation into the mormon church?

 

[brightfame52]

You've now confirmed to everyone that you're a Mormon because of your soul preexistence heretical belief. When is your official confirmation into the mormon church?

I have confirmed you have the slightest idea of what the Crucifixion of Christ is all about.

 

[synergy]

I have confirmed you have the slightest idea of what the Crucifixion of Christ is all about.

It has nothing to do with your Mormon soul preexistence heretical belief. Again, when is your official confirmation into the mormon church?