What is the New Covenant?

[101G]

It is essential to understand what God means regarding what the Old covenant was that changed, in order to understand what the New Covenant is.

When God brought Israel out of Egypt, there was "NO LAW" requiring Israel to perform daily sacrifices exclusively before a Levite Priest and kill it in order to atone for their sins.

This is vital to understand. The Law that

did not exist until later.

Here is the Covenant God made with them.

Ex. 19: 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

God's Covenant already existed at this point, and HE was giving it to Israel. What covenant did God further on to Israel?

Ex. 2: 23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. 24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. 25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

It is essential to understand this in order to understand Paul later on. Please consider what was actually written.

Ex. 6: 2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give "them" the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.

5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments:

7And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.

8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

This is the Covenant God made with the Children of Israel in the day that HE led them out of Egypt. And HE gave them His Laws, Statutes and Commandments, just as HE did Abraham, and the people agreed to obey Him, just as Abraham did.

Ex. 19: 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

There was NO sacrificial "works of the Law" commanding Israel to perform daily sacrifices for the atonement of Sin, in the day God led them out of Egypt.

So what happened to this covenant? Israel broke it, Yes? They created another god, the Golden Calf, and worshiped it. This covenant was broken. They agreement made void. No longer was Israel God's people, or God, Israel's God. They were right back in Egypt spiritually, with NO Covenant. I know this because of what is written.

Ex. 32: 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Israel is no longer under the Covenant of Abraham.

In fact, as the story goes, it was Moses who pleaded with God on Israel's behalf, to give them another chance, read it for yourself.

And it was Moses who went up to God a 2nd time, to see if perhaps forgiveness could be found.

Ex. 32: 30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31 And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.

It was the Covenant that resulted from this 2nd meeting, that God changed. It was to this Covenant that God "ADDED" the LAW commanding the Children of Israel to perform daily sacrificial "works of the law" for the atonement of their sins.

This Covenant also included the "way of the Lord", with His Statutes, Commandments and Laws that Abraham obeyed, and taught to his children. But a LAW was "ADDED" for justification, "Till the Seed should come", that Abraham didn't have. It was "ADDED" because of transgressions, 430 years after Abraham. It was the Priesthood Law commanding Israel to bring daily sacrifices to the Levite Priest for the atonement of Sins.

I know this because of what is written.

Jer. 7: 22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. (Same as Abraham)

The Hebrews author knew this.

Heb. 8: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

It was the covenant regarding these animal sacrifices that changed. The Priesthood Law changed. As Jeremiah 31 details, there were "2" changes in the Covenant God made with Israel after the Golden calf.

#1. How God's Laws are received.

#2. How sins were forgiven.

What became old and was ready to vanish, was the Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron". The Prophesied Priest of God, "After the order of Melchizedek" is come.

The Pharisees and Priests had rebelled against God for centuries. They despised His Judgments and walked not in His Commandments. They polluted His Sabbaths and blasphemed His Name. (See the Bible) But they continued in the sacrificial "works of the Law" for justification. They purchased their atonement through these sacrificial "works of the Law". Paul fought with these Pharisees over this for years. Telling them that NO Flesh is justified by these "works of the Law". Hebrews points out,
"But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."

God pleaded with these preachers for a long time.

Is. 1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.

11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? 13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. 14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. 15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. 16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. 18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: 20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Sorry for the long post, and I know this world's religious sects and businesses do not distinguish between the Covenant that was broken, and the one that replaced it in which daily sacrifices were "ADDED:" for the atonement of sins. But when these truths are in our hearts, the Scriptures shed a different light on Paul's teaching. It seems certainly worthy of discussion.

correct, the Law was added to show sin. but as the verse shows, " 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land". Job, was keeping God command without any Law. but what God offered Israel is what he offered all people an everlasting relationship with him. we see this clearly in the 56 chapter of Isaiah. Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off."

and that Name can only be obtained in Christ JESUS. being born again is the KEY, and that's NT, not OT. yes, a NAME that is above every name. because being born of a woman .... fine, but born of God greater. and this is where NATURAL BORN ISRAEL FAILED AT. Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Romans 9:7 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called." Romans 9:8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

and this promise of God does not tie God hands (so to speak) from obtaining more children that Just Israel ONLY. for the apostle Peter by God on the day of Pentecost, made it very clear. Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." QUESTION, "is God still calling today? yes, then the promise, as said, "to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

101G.

 

[Obadiah]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the short answer is...It's The Good News. Look What the Lord Has Done.

 

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GINOLJC, to all
the NT is in full force. and those who do not accept it is in a state of ... A Limbo. and B. near destruction, and C. yes, NOT his People.

when the Lord Jesus gave his blood on the cross, that ENDED the OLD COVENANT.

101G

'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God, and they shall be My People.' (no longer Lo-ammi)
(Jer 31:31-33)

Hello @101G

The Old Covenant was made with Israel as a nation, and so will the New Covenant be.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'In hope of eternal life,
which God, that cannot lie,
promised before the world began; ... '
(Tit 1:2)

'Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling,
not according to our works,
but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given us in Christ Jesus
before the world began,'
(2Ti 1:9)

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us
with all spiritual blessings
in heavenly places
in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him
before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him
in love:'
(Eph 1:3-4)

These promises, this covenant, was made with Christ, before the world began, These are the promises upon which the members of the Church which is the Body of Christ stand, in Christ Jesus their Lord and Head. As the members are IN HIM, then all these covenanted promises are theirs, by God's grace: and are not within their power to lose, because they were made with Him - Who is their life.

Praise God! For His wisdom in placing us so securely in Christ,

 

[Doug Brents]

'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God, and they shall be My People.' (no longer Lo-ammi)
(Jer 31:31-33)

Hello @101G

The Old Covenant was made with Israel as a nation, and so will the New Covenant be.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The New Covenant was made with Israel as a nation. But the majority of those who were Israel refused Christ and so were cut off from Israel, and many who were not Israel have accepted Christ and been grafted in and are now part of Israel (Rom 11:17-24).

 

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The New Covenant was made with Israel as a nation. But the majority of those who were Israel refused Christ and so were cut off from Israel, and many who were not Israel have accepted Christ and been grafted in and are now part of Israel (Rom 11:17-24).

If that were the case, @Doug Brents, then Israel would no longer be in the lo-ammi state that they are at present, they would have seen the returning Christ, repented and acknowledged Him as their Messiah and King.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug Brents]

If that were the case, @Doug Brents, then Israel would no longer be in the lo-ammi state that they are at present, they would have seen the returning Christ, repented and acknowledged Him as their Messiah and King.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

First, I have no idea what lo-ammi means or why the third son of Hosea has any impact on the discussion of what the New Covenant is.

Second, Israel as a nation has been scattered since 70AD and it is impossible to reconstitute it because all the genealogies have been destroyed. There is not a single Jew alive today who can prove the tribe to which he belongs. Israel is no longer a physical nation, but is a spiritual entity made entirely of those who belong to Christ.

 

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First, I have no idea what lo-ammi means or why the third son of Hosea has any impact on the discussion of what the New Covenant is.

Second, Israel as a nation has been scattered since 70AD and it is impossible to reconstitute it because all the genealogies have been destroyed. There is not a single Jew alive today who can prove the tribe to which he belongs. Israel is no longer a physical nation, but is a spiritual entity made entirely of those who belong to Christ.

Hello @Doug Brents,

Loammi means, 'not My People'. God is not bound by the loss of genealogical records, for He knows all things. All things will come to pass as He has foretold.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[101G]

'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God, and they shall be My People.' (no longer Lo-ammi)
(Jer 31:31-33)

Hello @101G

The Old Covenant was made with Israel as a nation, and so will the New Covenant be.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

thanks for the reply, but the scriptures states "HOUSE" of Israel and not "TRIBE" of Israel, as with Judah..... "HOUSE. Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:"

please get it right.

and in this HOUSE, all people are welcome. again read Isaiah chapter 56.

101G

 

[Parker]

Hello @Doug Brents,

Loammi means, 'not My People'. God is not bound by the loss of genealogical records, for He knows all things. All things will come to pass as He has foretold.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

He knew every hair on our head before we were born right? He definitely doesn't need ancestry.com

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

If that were the case, @Doug Brents, then Israel would no longer be in the lo-ammi state that they are at present, they would have seen the returning Christ, repented and acknowledged Him as their Messiah and King.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

As I stated in a previous post (how come people don't read through these threads first before posting), Isaiah 42 specifically says the coming Shepherd would be for God's chosen nation - Israel. Hebrew word "am" is used this way. Hebrew word "goyim" is for Gentile nations.

[Isa 42:6 LSB] 6 "I am Yahweh, I have called You in righteousness; I will also take hold of You by the hand and guard You, And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,

 

[101G]

As I stated in a previous post (how come people don't read through these threads first before posting), Isaiah 42 specifically says the coming Shepherd would be for God's chosen nation - Israel. Hebrew word "am" is used this way. Hebrew word "goyim" is for Gentile nations.

[Isa 42:6 LSB] 6 "I am Yahweh, I have called You in righteousness; I will also take hold of You by the hand and guard You, And I will give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,

Isaiah 56:1 "Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed." Isaiah 56:2 "Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil." Isaiah 56:3 "Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree." Isaiah 56:4 "For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;" Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off." Isaiah 56:6 "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;" Isaiah 56:7 "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Isaiah 56:8 "The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." REAd THAT VERSE AGAIN.

JOINED TO THE ;LORD ... NOT ISRAEL, BUT UNTO GOD. AND THE ONE'S HE WILL GATHER IS OTHER ALSO BESIDE ISRAEL.

THE COVENANT IS FOR ALL POEOPLE, NOT JUST ISRAEL.

101G.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Isaiah 56:1 "Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed." Isaiah 56:2 "Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil." Isaiah 56:3 "Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree." Isaiah 56:4 "For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;" Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off." Isaiah 56:6 "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;" Isaiah 56:7 "Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people." Isaiah 56:8 "The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him." REAd THAT VERSE AGAIN.

JOINED TO THE ;LORD ... NOT ISRAEL, BUT UNTO GOD. AND THE ONE'S HE WILL GATHER IS OTHER ALSO BESIDE ISRAEL.

THE COVENANT IS FOR ALL POEOPLE, NOT JUST ISRAEL.

101G.

Well, lots of verses. But you've got to explain Isaiah 42 and especially verse 6. You can't sweep that under the rug.

 

[101G]

Well, lots of verses. But you've got to explain Isaiah 42 and especially verse 6. You can't sweep that under the rug.

GINOLJC, to all.
Sure, Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles." Isaiah 42:2 "He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street." Isaiah 42:3 "A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth." Isaiah 42:4 "He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law." Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" Isaiah 42:6 "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;" THIS IS THE Lord JESUS, God himself in a ECHAD, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state in flesh while on earth as a man. he is given unto the people, how many all people, supportive scripture, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." BINGO...... NOW, LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. next verses,

Isaiah 42:7 "To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:9 "Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."

what has come to PASS? "Behold, the former things are come to pass"

101G just love this. the former things are coming to pass, pass, pass. the OLD COVENANT, and its Mosaic Law is OVER WITH, DEAD and BURIED, NO MORE. .......... get out of the Past. the Holy Spirit, GOD, the Lord Jesus, said it best via his apostle. Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before," Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

101G.

 

[Studyman]

correct, the Law was added to show sin. but as the verse shows,

I think the Word "ADDED" is incorrect. It should by "Given". The Law was "given" to men to show them the difference between righteousness and unrighteousness, according to God's Judgment.

Gen. 4: 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

It wasn't "ADDED", in the sense that God's Law didn't exist until it was "ADDED". God's righteousness has always existed. Even before He created time or the earth, God's righteousness would have been the same as after HE created time and the earth, Yes?

I think men confuse Paul's teaching in Galatians 3:19, as God "ADDING" His LAW defining Righteousness, 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Law defining righteousness. And truly there was a LAW added, "because of Transgressions", but it wasn't God's Ten Commandments, or Laws defining the difference between doing well, and doing not well. That wouldn't make any sense would it? A LAW added to define righteousness, "because of transgression" of LAW that defined righteousness?

Why did you pick the word "ADDED", if not because of Gal. 3:19?

" 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land". Job, was keeping God command without any Law.

Job 1: 5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Where there is no Law, there is no sin, Yes? Here we see Job honoring God in HIS Feasts, offering to God sin offering for his sons.

22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

How could Job even know what SIN is, unless God gave him HIS LAW defining the difference between righteousness and Sin? Would it be fair to say that God and Job had interactions and conversations that were not recording in the Book of the Law?

but what God offered Israel is what he offered all people an everlasting relationship with him. we see this clearly in the 56 chapter of Isaiah. Isaiah 56:5 "Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off."

It is important to include all of the message God gives in the scriptures, in order to understand the message. Yes?

Is. 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.

2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.

4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

So these men, "non-Jews", were given the same LAW that God has always given men, "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Is this not the exact same covenant God had with Abraham?

Gen. 18: 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

This has always been God's LAW, although it may not have been given to us, until God Inspired the Holy Scriptures to be written.

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

and that Name can only be obtained in Christ JESUS. being born again is the KEY, and that's NT, not OT.

Who convinced you that the Law and Prophets doesn't teach what Jesus taught? Consider the following please.

What is the difference between;

Gen. 12: 1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

And;

Matt. 16: 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

And again, what is the difference between;

Ez. 18: 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

And;

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Who told you that the Law and Prophets were not "able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus"?

yes, a NAME that is above every name. because being born of a woman .... fine, but born of God greater. and this is where NATURAL BORN ISRAEL FAILED AT.

How did Caleb, Joshua, David, Gideon, Shadrack, Danial, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men, and EVERY Example of men of Faith in the entire Bible "Fail"? Please answer me a question. How is it Zacharias knew the Christ when HE came, and was actually waiting for Him, but the Pharisees in charge of the Temple didn't? According to Scriptures, what was the main difference between the two?

Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Romans 9:7 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called." Romans 9:8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."

and this promise of God does not tie God hands (so to speak) from obtaining more children that Just Israel ONLY.

Of course not. As Jesus said, "If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.". As the Scriptures I posted clearly show, this applies to the Homeborn (Jews) and strangers (Non-Jews). And it has always been this way, even before Abraham.

A child of Abraham is and has always been "of the heart". Or as Paul says "A Jew inwardly".

for the apostle Peter by God on the day of Pentecost, made it very clear. Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." QUESTION, "is God still calling today? yes, then the promise, as said, "to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

101G.

Yes, as Paul taught both Jew and Gentile;

Acts 26: 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

 

[Doug Brents]

Hello @Doug Brents,

Loammi means, 'not My People'. God is not bound by the loss of genealogical records, for He knows all things. All things will come to pass as He has foretold.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Got it. The problem is that Israel is still God's people, but who and what Israel is has changed several times down through history. First Israel was Jacob himself alone (Gen 32:28). Then Israel became the nation of descendants that came from him and his 12 sons (Gen 48:28). Then Israel was Jesus (Hos 11:1, Matt 2:15). And today, everyone who is in Christ is Israel (Gal 3:7).

 

[Studyman]

GINOLJC, to all.
Sure, Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles."

This would be the same "Judgment" God brought forth to Abraham to teach his Children, Yes?

"For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

And this because God is no respecter of persons. And doesn't judge or treat people differently according to the color of their skin, or the DNA they were born with. Is this not true?

Doesn't Isaiah confirm this truth in Chapter 56?

Is. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

So then, neither the "Way of the Lord" nor "His Judgments" change depending on the color of my skin, or the DNA I was born with. God isn't required to change, His Righteousness and Righteous Judgments don't change. I am the one who requires change, Yes?

 

[Studyman]

Got it. The problem is that Israel is still God's people, but who and what Israel is has changed several times down through history. First Israel was Jacob himself alone (Gen 32:28). Then Israel became the nation of descendants that came from him and his 12 sons (Gen 48:28). Then Israel was Jesus (Hos 11:1, Matt 2:15). And today, everyone who is in Christ is Israel (Gal 3:7).

But didn't the God "of the Bible" always consider men who adopted "the way of the Lord" as "Israelites" inwardly?

Gen. 18: 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

And again;

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

And again;

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

And again;

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

So then, hasn't an "Israelite" always been one who is a faithful/obedient servant of God, regardless of the DNA they were born with?

Doesn't the Jesus of the Bible confirm this. John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

GINOLJC, to all.
Sure, Isaiah 42:1 "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles." Isaiah 42:2 "He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street." Isaiah 42:3 "A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth." Isaiah 42:4 "He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law." Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:" Isaiah 42:6 "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;" THIS IS THE Lord JESUS, God himself in a ECHAD, in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state in flesh while on earth as a man. he is given unto the people, how many all people, supportive scripture, 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." BINGO...... NOW, LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY. next verses,

Isaiah 42:7 "To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:9 "Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."

what has come to PASS? "Behold, the former things are come to pass"

101G just love this. the former things are coming to pass, pass, pass. the OLD COVENANT, and its Mosaic Law is OVER WITH, DEAD and BURIED, NO MORE. .......... get out of the Past. the Holy Spirit, GOD, the Lord Jesus, said it best via his apostle. Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before," Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

101G.

I'm really not sure what your point was. But all of that proves exactly what I wrote about a new covenant given for God's chosen - Israel.

 

[Doug Brents]

But didn't the God "of the Bible" always consider men who adopted "the way of the Lord" as "Israelites" inwardly?

Gen. 18: 19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

And again;

Ex. 12: 49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

And again;

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

And again;

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

So then, hasn't an "Israelite" always been one who is a faithful/obedient servant of God, regardless of the DNA they were born with?

Doesn't the Jesus of the Bible confirm this. John 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Yes, those who are Israel are those who are faithful to God and obedient to His commands.
But none of what you said here, in any way, points to Israel not being God's people (Lo-Ammi)(Still not sure where that comes from or how it came to mean what you say it means, having never heard it before). On the contrary, it points to Israel being the spiritual people who are faithful to Christ, and not the nation of people physically descended from Jacob (as I pointed out in post 56.