What is the New Covenant?
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Hello @Doug Brents:
They are not at present, but they will be again, as we read in (Hosea 2:23)
'And I will sow her unto Me in the earth;
and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy;
and I will say to them which were not My People,
"Thou art My People"; and they shall say," Thou art my God."'
* Your interpretation of Galatians 3:7 is incorrect.
'Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,
preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.'
(Gal 3:6-9)
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Doug Brents
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This passage simply says that the Gentiles (them which were not My People) who believe in Jesus will become the people of God.
Sorry, I do not understand where my interpretation of this passage is at fault.
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Subject Heading, 'What is the New Covenant'
'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
.. that I will make a new covenant
.... with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
...... Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
........ in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
.......... which My covenant they brake,
............ although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
.. After those days, saith the LORD,
.... I will put My law in their inward parts,
...... and write it in their hearts;
........ and will be their God, and they shall be My People.
.......... And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
............ and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
.............. for they shall all know Me,
................ from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
.................. for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thus saith the LORD,
.. which giveth the sun for a light by day,
.... and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,
...... which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar;
........ The LORD of hosts is His Name:
.......... If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD,
............ then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
Thus saith the LORD;
.. If heaven above can be measured,
.... and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
...... I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
........ for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:31-37)
Praise God! - For the surety of His promises.
'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
.. that I will make a new covenant
.... with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
...... Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
........ in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
.......... which My covenant they brake,
............ although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
.. After those days, saith the LORD,
.... I will put My law in their inward parts,
...... and write it in their hearts;
........ and will be their God, and they shall be My People.
.......... And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour,
............ and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD:
.............. for they shall all know Me,
................ from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
.................. for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thus saith the LORD,
.. which giveth the sun for a light by day,
.... and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,
...... which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar;
........ The LORD of hosts is His Name:
.......... If those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD,
............ then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me for ever.
Thus saith the LORD;
.. If heaven above can be measured,
.... and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
...... I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
........ for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:31-37)
Praise God! - For the surety of His promises.
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101G
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the new covenant is not, repeat, not for Israel only. this new covenant supersede Israel. the covenant in the KINGDOM is for all men including Israel. did you not hear God via his apostle Peter on the gay of Pentecost? Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
the new covenant is bigger than Israel.
101G.
The fact that salvation is a free gift does not mean that it does not require us to keep the law. The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing to do with trying to earn the gift of having the opportunity to drive it. In a similar way, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus, and the gift of God's law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23). Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we are not obligated to obey God's law in order to earn our salvation as a wage, having the experience of living in obedience to it through faith in Jesus is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of him saving us from having the experience of not living in obedience to it.
I would "take heed" regarding this popular religious philosophy. Salvation is a Free Gift of God given to some men, not all. It is Free, in that I had nothing to do with it's creation, nor did anything I do make this gift possible. It existed a long time before I was even born.
The Jesus of the Bible Himself said that even though men may call Him Lord, Lord, "many" of these men would not receive this free gift. This same Christ also said, " Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Truly, according to the Scriptures, men are "obligated" to repent, in order to receive this free gift. It seems a study into "repent from what?" whould be in order.
Paul said;
1 Cor. 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
So clearly there is an "Obligation" on men's part to obey God's LAW that spells out. "Thou shall not Steal", "thou shall not commit adultery" etc. Without which Paul says men, shall not receive the "free gift".
Even the Gentiles were "Obligated" to "Abstain" from eating that which God forbid His People to eat, and behaving in various practices what are forbidden by God for His People to partake of, as defined in God's Law. (See Acts 15)
Paul confirms this.
Rom. 2: 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Where men go astray, it seems to me, is listening to this world's religions wrest Paul's words regarding "Works of the Law" for justification. They claim Paul is speaking to the whole Law of God, which clearly he believed men were obligated to "strive against" transgressing.
This deception is easy to expose by answering a simple question, one that I ask many times, but men refuse to answer.
In the Law and Prophets, when a man sinned, what works were they required to "DO" before the Priest would provide for his forgiveness or as it is also defined "Justification"?
Did Moses say, "If a man sins, he shall keep the 10 commandments, and his sin is forgiven"? Did Moses say, "If a man sins, he shall love his neighbor as himself, and his sin is forgiven"? No, Moses said none of these things.
When you find the answer to this question in the Holy Scriptures, and it is most certainly there, then you will understand what Paul is talking about when he teaches "No flesh is justified by Works of the Law".
It's not necessarily finding the truth that is difficult, it's believing what we find, that become the issue.
civic
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false dichotomy- the law , the Pentateuch had grace and forgiveness under the old covenant in the old testament.
Diserner
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You are conflating two principles here, the word "Law" is used in several distinct senses.
God's Law is moral perfection in principle:
"The Law of the Lord is perfect."
"Be ye perfect as my Father is perfect."
You can then argue the Mosaic Law had room for imperfection, and that is why it is different—it contained elements of grace and law within it. But Paul uses the word "Law" indistinctly many times, such that there seems some overlap in his usage.
civic
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God is Immutable- He was full of grace and forgiveness under the Mosaic law. If not Israel would of been entirely wiped out as a people/nation. They were the harlot who worshiped other gods as did their leaders. Look at David and Solomon for example who were under the law.
hope this helps !!!
I does make sense to allow God, that is, the God of the Bible, to define His Own "Old Covenant" and change it if HE pleases. In the Scriptures, it is written that after Israel broke God's covenant by creating their own god, and worshipping it, that Moses went up a second time in the hope of coming to another Covenant with God which included atonement. In this Covenant, God "ADDED" Law that didn't exist in the Covenant Israel broke.
This "ADDED" LAW, which was ADDED because of Transgressions (Golden calf), was to be in place until "After those days" when the "Seed should come".
Hebrews talks all about this "Priesthood Covenant" that changed.
"Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
This is the Covenant that included LAW that was ADDED 430 years after God said Abraham "obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws".
So yes, it is important to address what is actually written in the Scriptures, regarding god's Covenant, and the LAW that was ADDED to it, the second time Moses went up to God.
While it is true that this world's religions "have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith", it doesn't ring true that God's Law didn't have them.
Lev. 19: 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.
13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
How can a man make the claim that God's LAW doesn't include "grace and forgiveness"? Mercy and Compassion towards others?
I would be careful my friend, of adopting the philosophies of this world's religions, and place more trust in what is actually written.
How does rejecting God's Feasts and Judgments, and creating our own definition of Holy and Unholy, bring a deeper union and stronger internal grace?
Isn't that the same thing those who fell in Israel did? Didn't Paul tell us these things were written specifically for those who live after the Death and resurrection of Christ, for the explicit purpose of, as Paul says, "to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."?
I don't think Paul agree with you on this one.
1 Cor. 1: 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Part of the new covenant= Return evil for evil to no one( Rom 12:17)----- 2 Tim 2:3= take your part in suffering evil)---So true followers do not participate in mortal wars. They return love for evil. The NT teaches-If your enemy is hungry feed him, if thirsty give him a drink)--not kill him because he did evil.
Many claim to be followers of Jesus--let us see:
Jesus= Love, peace, unity
Antichrist= hate, war, division.
Not so easy to follow Jesus in a satan ruled world.
Many claim to be followers of Jesus--let us see:
Jesus= Love, peace, unity
Antichrist= hate, war, division.
Not so easy to follow Jesus in a satan ruled world.
civic
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Ditto
savedbygrace
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We are no longer under the law and we have been set free from it for those of us who are in Christ. The rest are under ts condemnation.
Those who have the Love of the new covenant= law is written on those hearts-Means one wouldn't consider stealing from their brothers, committing adultery on ones mate, coveting their brothers things, having any other God before their face, etc, etc.
Molly
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I agree with what you posted
Azriel
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The new covenant Is the new agreement God has made with mankind, based on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The concept of a new covenant originated with the promise of the prophet Jeremiah that God would accomplish for His people what the old covenant had failed to do. Under this new covenant, God would write His Law on human hearts. I think that's accomplished by the new commandment Jesus gave us to love one another. This promised action suggested a new level of obedience, a new knowledge of the Lord, and a new forgiveness of sin.
101G
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this can be found in the OT also, Micah 6:8. which fulfils the Law and the commandment of God.... "LOVE",
and by the way... the New Covenant is a "BINDING" Covenant, meaning it cannot be broken by either party, God nor man. per Genesis 49:10 and 11.
PICJAG, 101G.
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