Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

his self-interest and desires were to serve the Father. He gave all that up to serve the Father. Is that really what you want us to take from your view? I'm searching for a course on unitarian logic. I have not found one yet.
You would have to be saying that the form of God is of self-interest. That idea is hard to make sense of.

Form of God refers to Jesus being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous. Being holy as God is holy isn't just for Jesus, but for everyone. I hope you believe that atleast.

 

[Runningman]

Very well put when you say... "What Jesus emptied himself of was his self-interests and desires in order to serve and obey God instead of himself."

I could add that he was rightfully born with royal blood being the King of the Jews and he emptied himself of that and took on the roll of a servant.

Jesus could have been king of the Jews in a very earthly sense if he only would have prayed for permissiom from God to assist him fighting his way out of it. However, the Scripture needed to be fulfilled. Jesus cared about what God wanted more than what he wanted for himself.

Matthew 26
52But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

 

[mikesw]

Form of God refers to Jesus being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous. Being holy as God is holy isn't just for Jesus, but for everyone. I hope you believe that atleast.

oh. You seem to feel that Jesus gave up being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous so that he could become a terrorist and a liar and a deceiver. Somehow that does not reflect the image that most people see of Jesus.

 

[mikesw]

Very well put when you say... "What Jesus emptied himself of was his self-interests and desires in order to serve and obey God instead of himself."

I could add that he was rightfully born with royal blood being the King of the Jews and he emptied himself of that and took on the roll of a servant.

Peterlag does not read this stuff. However, that idea of being the image of a king is hardly that level of having the form of God. This is incessant diminution of the divinity of Christ just to avoid acknowledging who Christ is. There are so many flimsy excuses used to deny the divinity of Christ in the Godhead.

 

[Runningman]

oh. You seem to feel that Jesus gave up being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous so that he could become a terrorist and a liar and a deceiver. Somehow that does not reflect the image that most people see of Jesus.

You seem to have a very extremist sort of mindset. It's not like that at all. For example, "Scripture teaches Jesus was outwardly holy and righteous so he must have been a raging sinner before that" is ridiculous.

 

[Runningman]

Peterlag does not read this stuff. However, that idea of being the image of a king is hardly that level of having the form of God. This is incessant diminution of the divinity of Christ just to avoid acknowledging who Christ is. There are so many flimsy excuses used to deny the divinity of Christ in the Godhead.

Why do you just make things up though? Jesus isn't in "the godhead" according to the Bible. Look, we are just talking about what the Bible says. I understand you have your religion and your beliefs, but in Christianity and the Bible the way you're spinning it isn't how it works.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus could have been king of the Jews in a very earthly sense if he only would have prayed for permissiom from God to assist him fighting his way out of it. However, the Scripture needed to be fulfilled. Jesus cared about what God wanted more than what he wanted for himself.

Matthew 26
52But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

My point was he was rightfully born with royal blood being the King of the Jews and he emptied himself of that and took on the roll of a servant.

 

[mikesw]

You seem to have a very extremist sort of mindset. It's not like that at all. For example, "Scripture teaches Jesus was outwardly holy and righteous so he must have been a raging sinner before that" is ridiculous.

Well both are wrong. But you were saying Jesus gave up holiness and righteousness. You are saying he gave up godly characteristics. That was not my interpretation. Your suggestion leaves Jesus as living a sinful life instead.

 

[mikesw]

Why do you just make things up though? Jesus isn't in "the godhead" according to the Bible. Look, we are just talking about what the Bible says. I understand you have your religion and your beliefs, but in Christianity and the Bible the way you're spinning it isn't how it works.

I have to use that word "Godhead" because some people will make it like Jesus is another god. Scripture does not support there being other gods. Some people want to deny the divinity of God and just manage that by pretending half of the bible does not exist.

 

[mikesw]

My point was he was rightfully born with royal blood being the King of the Jews and he emptied himself of that and took on the roll of a servant.

so Peterlag says Jesus emptied himself of being the Messiah so he could become the Messiah. Is any time someone is a king mean that he has the form of God; I do not think that is scriptural. Is anyone else getting dizzy with this sort of unitarian logic?