Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag is afraid to debate the one person who has been after him for months and months to debate.View attachment 2198

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Who am I afraid of?

 

[Runningman]

You seem to feel that Jesus gave up being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous so that he could become a terrorist and a liar and a deceiver.

Well both are wrong. But you were saying Jesus gave up holiness and righteousness. You are saying he gave up godly characteristics. That was not my interpretation. Your suggestion leaves Jesus as living a sinful life instead.

The words that Jesus is a terrorist, liar, and deceiver came from your head and heart. Not mine. This reflects on you.

 

[mikesw]

The words that Jesus is a terrorist, liar, and deceiver came from your head and heart. Not mine. This reflects on you.

You are quite wrong. I am not the one saying Jesus gave up holiness or Messiahship as if that were something logical for him to give up.

 

[Runningman]

Oy vey!!!!!

You do not even know why He emptied himself.

The common teaching on this is

When Philippians 2:7 states that Jesus "emptied himself" by taking on the form of a servant and being made in human likeness, highlighting His humility and willingness to serve others. This verse emphasizes the significance of Jesus' incarnation and His choice to live among humanity. ( From Bible Hub)

But it truly is not that simple.


Phil 2:7

Jesus did the SELF_EMPTYING by His own volition. It was not taken from Him voluntarily gave up His divine privileges.

This is known as "kenosis," highlighting His humility and willingness to serve.

Defining the term that you likely do not know from the American Heritage Dictionery

noun​

1. The relinquishment of some of the attributes of God by Jesus in becoming man and suffering death.
2. Christ's voluntary divestment of his divine powers.

This just shows Jesus took on the "form of a servant," indicating His choice to live a life of humility and service rather than one of power and authority.

Do you want more?

There is a very large Theological Significance in what he did..... and make no mistake He did it for you, and me and the world at large ,even if it was regional at the time.... although most will have failed to accept Him on any count.

Take His incarnation.... This is where Jesus, while fully divine, became fully human.

WHY did this have to happen? Simply to emphasize His connection to humanity.

Phil 2: 6-8
6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, ( people would not understand)

7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Why? Because He chose to become a servant, demonstrating the depth of His love and commitment to humanity.

I'll stop now because you either understand or not.

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Let's make it easy to read the Bible: don't add to it, don't take away from it. Pretty standard rule even in trinitarian circles, right? Doug said in a previous post, "He did, in fact, empty Himself of His glory, the independent use of His power, His knowledge, His authority, etc. when He came to Earth as a man." [sic]

So actually, what Doug said is never stated in the Bible. Trinitarianism relies too heavily on opinions, but aren't opinions an addition to the Bible? Keep your opinions the same as those who are in Scripture and you'll see what it says more clearly.

 

[Runningman]

You are quite wrong. I am not the one saying Jesus gave up holiness or Messiahship as if that were something logical for him to give up.

Bad logic and reason, again, from you.

 

[mikesw]

Bad logic and reason, again, from you.

Maybe you have a better explanation of the passage than you tried so far.

 

[Runningman]

Maybe you have a better explanation of the passage than you tried so far.

Already said what "form of God" means. I said "Form of God refers to Jesus being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous. Being holy as God is holy isn't just for Jesus, but for everyone. I hope you believe that at least." because morphē in Phil 2:6 means the form, shape, or outward appearance. Oh wait, perhaps that's too literal for you.

 

[mikesw]

Already said what "form of God" means. I said "Form of God refers to Jesus being visibly and outwardly holy and righteous. Being holy as God is holy isn't just for Jesus, but for everyone. I hope you believe that at least." because morphē in Phil 2:6 means the form, shape, or outward appearance. Oh wait, perhaps that's too literal for you.

that is nonsense. It is not logical. It is not backed by any other idea in scripture. You are too desperate to deny the divinity of Christ here. You rejected the implications of your interpretation that I had exposed, thus rejecting your own view.