Runningman
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It doesn't show any verses after Jesus died of him resurrecting himself.
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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now you deny the resurrection. what next?
Runningman
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That isn't what I said. Jesus was resurrected, but Jesus didn't resurrect himself. After Jesus died, no one went around teaching Jesus resurrected himself or was even involved in his own resurrection. Wow, looks like no one wanted anyone to get the idea that Jesus was God.
it is true the Sadducees and Pharisees did not want people to recognize the divinity of Christ. And certainly God does not ask people to join the Sadducees and Pharisees in denying Christ today. Stop saying that God cannot resurrect himself when incarnate.
I know why it is impossible for a unitarian to write a book contesting the passages showing the Triune nature of God. Of course the first reason is that the arguments will fail. The other reason is that they would be sharing the verses that testify against their view. It seems like Peterlag knows these verses but he only uses little verses that he thinks he can argue his view from.
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Runningman
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No one in the Bible said Jesus resurrected himself after he died because they knew Jesus wouldn't have been able to survive his own death and sacrifice in order to do such a thing. You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead in order to be saved. Romans 10:9
Duh. Jesus did survive after his body died. Maybe you heard that he still lives. Nothing says that Jesus has to be alive on earth to initiate the resurrection of himself. That is just silly talk.
I do believe God raised his incarnate self from the dead.
Maybe you can write a book addressing the passages that demonstrate the Triune nature of God so you can show how you interpret those against the essence of God.
Peterlag
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I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace.Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?
What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.
Peterlag
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I always find it interesting that anything I say is my opinion and everything you say is the Word of God. That was the context that was written to someone else that you picked up out of context and twisted it into I deny the Scriptures.
Peterlag has been proven wrong too many times and thus, in kindness, the points are identified merely as his opinion.
Runningman
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Jesus didn't survive his death or else he was not sacrificed. Scripture teaches that Jesus' body, soul, and spirit all were sacrificed and required resurrection.
Isaiah 53
10Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him
and to cause Him to suffer;
and when His soul is made a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days,
and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
1 Corinthians 15
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
really? You must have figured that God is unable to raise himself after his incarnate body has died. You must have figured out what metaphysical steps happened upon his death on the cross. You must be disregarding the physical suffering that the incarnated Son endured. You must be neglecting the 10 passages that, at minimal, allow that Jesus was the active agent in his resurrection.
Now I may reflect on 1 Cor 15:44, but that verse does not deny the divinity of Christ.
Runningman
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Nothing about Jesus being incarnated in the Bible.
I never said Jesus became incarnated into a Bible.
And it is anachronistic to say Jesus was incarnated since Jesus is the incarnated God. If you use that wording just out of laziness, it still gets in the way of fruitful discussion.
Peterlag
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1 Corinthians 8:6...
The Concordant Version
nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him.
King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand.
The Concordant Version
nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him.
King James Bible
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand.
Runningman
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I mean the Bible doesn't say he was incarnated.
Then we have to question either whether you are a hyper-literalist or just not understanding John 1
Runningman
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An incarnation is described in the Bible but it was a pagan belief, not a Christian belief. It also would have been the perfect opportunity to talk about Jesus being incarnated if that is something worth mentioning, but they didn't because it was irrelevant.
Acts 15
11When the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices in the Lycaonian language: “The gods have come down to us in human form!” 12Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes, because he was the chief speaker. 13The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates, hoping to offer a sacrifice along with the crowds.
Instead of posting here, you should use your talents for the Church of Scientology. I'm not sure why Paul and Barnabas would need to say anything beyond the fact that they are not gods. Maybe you have a different way that Paul and Barnabas to address the crowd if that scenario ever happens to you
Runningman
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Would have been the perfect segue to talk about an incarnation. "We didn't come down in human form, but God did and his name is Jesus!" They could have said so much, and the pagans would have probably believed it's possible, too, just like you do. However, they didn't because Paul and the bunch didn't believe in an incarnation. There is no evidence they did.
That is as stupid as could be. You are proposing how Paul and Barnabas could have said something different. It would be like selling squirt guns to people running out of a theater when someone yelled "FIRE."
