Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Peterlag]

You don't seek to be Christ like? Why not? You were commanded to do so in Rom 8:29, Eph 4:15, Phil 2:5, 2 Cor 3:18, and 1 Pet 2:21. Yes, we also walk in the Spirit of Christ.

That is your opinion, and I appreciate your expressing it. But it is not the truth from Scripture, so I cannot and will not agree with you.

I doubt you know how to walk by the spirit or even what it is. Let me edit this. Maybe this will help...

We are taught "to be in the spirit" means to walk upright in our flesh or to have our flesh in fellowship with God. So we read right over the many verses such as Peter and John were filled with the spirit. Or "that we might be made the righteousness of God in him" 2 Corinthians 5:21. Romans talks about no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. Christians everywhere do not seem to understand the words "in him" or "in Christ" or "filled with the spirit." We can't see ourselves walking by the spirit because we are taught that the operations of the spirit are things we operate through our flesh. They are not the manifestations of you. They are of the spirit. We are also taught that we are sinners and this is another reason why we can't see the spirit as long as we see ourselves as a piece of trash. To see it we have to see ourselves as the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Peterlag]

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

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[mikesw]

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Peterlag does not need the bible. He can just have a picture book of sayings denying the divinity of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

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The error all trinitarians make in the first place is that they begin with assuming the trinity exists and then provide the things they say are evidence of the trinity. They cannot provide any actual evidence that anyone ever agreed with their conclusions in scripture; this is textbook eisegesis.

 

[Peterlag]

Question: I'm going to post data on the Bride of Christ. What forum should I put in under?

 

[Runningman]

Question: I'm going to post data on the Bride of Christ. What forum should I put in under?

Good question. I think what it depends what angle you're trying to take with it. Is it going to be mainly about eschtaology or do you have a different point to make in mind?

 

[mikesw]

The error all trinitarians make in the first place is that they begin with assuming the trinity exists and then provide the things they say are evidence of the trinity. They cannot provide any actual evidence that anyone ever agreed with their conclusions in scripture; this is textbook eisegesis.

That is too bad that Paul utilized the divinity of Christ as a preconception when he wrote his letters. Uh. Maybe he knows what he is talking about.

 

[Runningman]

That is too bad that Paul utilized the divinity of Christ as a preconception when he wrote his letters. Uh. Maybe he knows what he is talking about.

Where did Paul do that?

 

[mikesw]

Where did Paul do that?

Galatians 3:19-20. It only makes sense when the divinity of Jesus is understood within the Godhead. The Galatians would have to know that for them to have a chance to recognize what Paul meant. Those crazy binitarian Galatians and their teacher, Paul.

 

[Peterlag]

Good question. I think what it depends what angle you're trying to take with it. Is it going to be mainly about eschtaology or do you have a different point to make in mind?

It's up and running already in Doctrine.

 

[Peterlag]

52 Reasons why Jesus is not God...

1.) The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.

2.) There is no clear Trinitarian formula in the Bible.

3.) The idea that "the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together make one God" is not found in Scripture.

4.) God is spirit, and Jesus said he was not a spirit even after his resurrection (Luke 24:39).

5.) Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture.

6.) God was not born, but is eternal.

7.) Romans 5:19 says a man had to pay for the sins of mankind.

8.) The man Jesus is the mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5).

9.) Jesus called the Father "my God" both before and after his resurrection.

10.) Jesus said my Father is greater than I (John 14:28).

11.) It was God that made Jesus "Lord" (Acts 2:36).

12.) Jesus would have already been the Lord if he was God.

13.) In the future Jesus will be subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).

14.) Jesus was "sanctified" by God. God does not need to be sanctified.

15.) There is only one who is good and that is God (Luke 18:19).

16.) God is greater than Christ (1 Corinthians 3:23).

17.) It was God who did miracles and wonders through Christ.

18.) Christ was given all authority. He would have already had all authority if he were God (Matthew 28:18).

19.) The phrase "Deity" never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called "Deity."

20.) Ephesians 4:5 says there is one Lord.

21.) 1 Corinthians 8:6 says there is one God.

22.) Jesus called the Father the only God (John 5:44).

23.) Christ made a distinction between speaking against him and the Holy Spirit.

24.) Christ said his doctrine was not his own (John 7:16).

25.) Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42).

26.) Jesus counted himself and his Father as two (John 8:17).

27.) The Bible always portrays God and Christ as two separate beings.

28.) The Bible makes it clear that Jesus is an "heir" of God (Romans 8:7).

29.) Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise.

30.) Jesus had limited knowledge (mark 13:32).

31.) God made Jesus perfect through suffering (Hebrews 2:10).

32.) Jesus received the holy spirit at his baptism. He would have already had it if he were God.

33.) Jesus was tempted. God cannot be tempted.

34.) Angels ministered and strengthened Jesus. God does not need to be strengthened.

35.) Jesus died. God cannot die.

36.) Jesus says we are his brothers. The Bible never says or even hints that we are brothers of God.

37.) We are told to do greater works than Jesus. Nobody can do greater works than God.

38.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).

39.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).

40.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given "glory" (John 17:22, 24).

41.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22)

42.) Jesus was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).

43.) Jesus was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).

44.) Jesus was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).

45.) Jesus was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).

46.) Jesus was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).

47.) Jesus was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

48.) Jesus is called the "Son of God" more than 50 times. Not once is he called "God the Son."

49.) The apostles also taught Jesus was a man (Act 2:22).

50.) The Bible teaches God is the “head” of Christ (Corinthians 11:3).

51.) The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible.

52.) There's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[mikesw]

52 Reasons why Jesus is not God...

1.) The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.

2.) There is no clear Trinitarian formula in the Bible.

3.) The idea that "the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together make one God" is not found in Scripture.

4.) God is spirit, and Jesus said he was not a spirit even after his resurrection (Luke 24:39).

5.) Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture.

6.) God was not born, but is eternal.

7.) Romans 5:19 says a man had to pay for the sins of mankind.

8.) The man Jesus is the mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5).

9.) Jesus called the Father "my God" both before and after his resurrection.

10.) Jesus said my Father is greater than I (John 14:28).

11.) It was God that made Jesus "Lord" (Acts 2:36).

12.) Jesus would have already been the Lord if he was God.

13.) In the future Jesus will be subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).

14.) Jesus was "sanctified" by God. God does not need to be sanctified.

15.) There is only one who is good and that is God (Luke 18:19).

16.) God is greater than Christ (1 Corinthians 3:23).

17.) It was God who did miracles and wonders through Christ.

18.) Christ was given all authority. He would have already had all authority if he were God (Matthew 28:18).

19.) The phrase "Deity" never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called "Deity."

20.) Ephesians 4:5 says there is one Lord.

21.) 1 Corinthians 8:6 says there is one God.

22.) Jesus called the Father the only God (John 5:44).

23.) Christ made a distinction between speaking against him and the Holy Spirit.

24.) Christ said his doctrine was not his own (John 7:16).

25.) Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42).

26.) Jesus counted himself and his Father as two (John 8:17).

27.) The Bible always portrays God and Christ as two separate beings.

28.) The Bible makes it clear that Jesus is an "heir" of God (Romans 8:7).

29.) Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise.

30.) Jesus had limited knowledge (mark 13:32).

31.) God made Jesus perfect through suffering (Hebrews 2:10).

32.) Jesus received the holy spirit at his baptism. He would have already had it if he were God.

33.) Jesus was tempted. God cannot be tempted.

34.) Angels ministered and strengthened Jesus. God does not need to be strengthened.

35.) Jesus died. God cannot die.

36.) Jesus says we are his brothers. The Bible never says or even hints that we are brothers of God.

37.) We are told to do greater works than Jesus. Nobody can do greater works than God.

38.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).

39.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).

40.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be given "glory" (John 17:22, 24).

41.) Jesus would have already had if he were God and would not need to be “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22)

42.) Jesus was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).

43.) Jesus was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).

44.) Jesus was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected Him (Acts 13:30).

45.) Jesus was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).

46.) Jesus was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).

47.) Jesus was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

48.) Jesus is called the "Son of God" more than 50 times. Not once is he called "God the Son."

49.) The apostles also taught Jesus was a man (Act 2:22).

50.) The Bible teaches God is the “head” of Christ (Corinthians 11:3).

51.) The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible.

52.) There's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Next, Peterlag will provide 70 reasons why Biden should be president again.

 

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[mikesw]

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Hey!! Another page out of the unitarian picture bible.

 

[Runningman]

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I find it amazing that most of them won't talk about anything after Hebrews 1:8 or what Psalm 45 says about the human king there. Very casual reading of Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 confirms that Jesus is not God Almighty. He is a man who God anointed. Though Jesus is a king, he isn't an equal king with God. Compared to God, Jesus is a lower rank and is a prince.

Acts 5
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging Him on a tree. 31God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

 

[Peterlag]

I find it amazing that most of them won't talk about anything after Hebrews 1:8 or what Psalm 45 says about the human king there. Very casual reading of Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 confirms that Jesus is not God Almighty. He is a man who God anointed. Though Jesus is a king, he isn't an equal king with God. Compared to God, Jesus is a lower rank and is a prince.

Acts 5
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging Him on a tree. 31God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

Did you get a chance to take a look at the 52 reasons why Jesus is not God that I posted yesterday? You can look them over if you would enjoy doing so. They are right here...

1.) The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.

2.) There is no clear Trinitarian formula in the Bible.

3.)The idea that "the Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and together make one God" is not found in Scripture.

4.) God is spirit, and Jesus said he was not a spirit even after his resurrection (Luke 24:39).

5.) Jesus is very plainly called a man many times in Scripture.

6.) God was not born, but is eternal.

7.) Romans 5:19 says a man had to pay for the sins of mankind.

8.) The man Jesus is the mediator between God and men (1 Timothy 2:5).

9.) Jesus called the Father "my God" both before and after his resurrection.

10.) Jesus said my Father is greater than I (John 14:28).

11.) It was God that made Jesus "Lord" (Acts 2:36).

12.) Jesus would have already been the Lord if he was God.

13.) In the future Jesus will be subject to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:28).

14.) Jesus was "sanctified" by God. God does not need to be sanctified.

15.) There is only one who is good and that is God (Luke 18:19).

16.) God is greater than Christ (1 Corinthians 3:23).

17.) It was God who did miracles and wonders through Christ.

18.) Christ was given all authority. He would have already had all authority if he were God (Matthew 28:18).

19.) The phrase "Deity" never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called "Deity."

20.) Ephesians 4:5 says there is one Lord.

21.) 1 Corinthians 8:6 says there is one God.

22.) Jesus called the Father the only God (John 5:44).

23.) Christ made a distinction between speaking against him and the Holy Spirit.

24.) Christ said his doctrine was not his own (John 7:16).

25.) Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42).

26.) Jesus counted himself and his Father as two (John 8:17).

27.) The Bible always portrays God and Christ as two separate beings.

28.) The Bible makes it clear that Jesus is an "heir" of God (Romans 8:7).

29.) Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise.

30.) Jesus had limited knowledge (mark 13:32).

31.) God made Jesus perfect through suffering (Hebrews 2:10).

32.) Jesus received the holy spirit at his baptism. He would have already had it if he were God.

33.) Jesus was tempted. God cannot be tempted.

34.) Angels ministered and strengthened Jesus. God does not need to be strengthened.

35.) Jesus died. God cannot die.

36.) Jesus says we are his brothers. The Bible never says or even hints that we are brothers of God.

37.) We are told to do greater works than Jesus. Nobody can do greater works than God.

38.) Jesus would have already had "all authority" if he were God and would not need to be given “all authority” Matthew 28:18).

39.) Jesus would have already had “a name above every name”if he were God and would not need to be given “a name above every name” (Philippians 2:9).

40.) Jesus would have already had "Glory" if he were God and would not need to be given "Glory" (John 17:22, 24).

41.) Jesus would have already been "Appointed" if he were God and would not need to be “Appointed” over the Church (Ephesians 1:22)

42.) Jesus was not unoriginated. Christ was the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16).

43.) Jesus was not self-existent. “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57).

44.) Jesus was not immortal. Jesus died and God resurrected him (Acts 13:30).

45.) Jesus was not all wise. Jesus “grew in wisdom” (Luke 2:52).

46.) Jesus was not all-powerful. Christ said “the Son can do nothing by Himself” (John 5:19).

47.) Jesus was not omnipresent. Jesus said after Lazarus died “I am glad I was not there” (John 11:15).

48.) Jesus is called the "Son of God" more than 50 times. Not once is he called "God the Son."

49.) The apostles also taught Jesus was a man (Act 2:22).

50.) The Bible teaches God is the “head” of Christ (Corinthians 11:3).

51.) The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible.

52.) There's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Fred]

19.) The phrase "Deity" never appears in the Bible, nor is Christ ever called "Deity."

Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of Deity in bodily form.

The Greek word for "Deity" is theotēs and as properly defined it proves the Lord Jesus is God.

1. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: the nature or state of being God (12.13, theotēs, page 140, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: the state of being God (theotēs, page 288).
3. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT): theotēs means (in contrast to theiotēs, "divinity, divine quality") deity, the rank of God (2:143, theotēs, G. Schneider).
4. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Jesus represents in himself all that the temple was supposed to symbolize, especially since in him all the fullness of Deity lives (cf. Col. 2:9) (Temple, page 714).
5. BDAG (3rd Edition): of Christ in him the whole fullness of Deity dwells bodily Col 2:9 (sōmatikōs, page 984).

 

[Peterlag]

Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of Deity in bodily form.

The Greek word for "Deity" is theotēs and as properly defined it proves the Lord Jesus is God.

1. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: the nature or state of being God (12.13, theotēs, page 140, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: the state of being God (theotēs, page 288).
3. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT): theotēs means (in contrast to theiotēs, "divinity, divine quality") deity, the rank of God (2:143, theotēs, G. Schneider).
4. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Jesus represents in himself all that the temple was supposed to symbolize, especially since in him all the fullness of Deity lives (cf. Col. 2:9) (Temple, page 714).
5. BDAG (3rd Edition): of Christ in him the whole fullness of Deity dwells bodily Col 2:9 (sōmatikōs, page 984).

This verse is not saying that Jesus was God, but rather the fullness of what God is was in Christ...

“divine.” The Greek is theotēs θεότης) and is an abstract noun for God. Many versions translate it as “divine nature” but Louw-Nida comments: “The expression "divine nature" may be rendered in a number of languages as "just what God is like" or 'how God is" or "what God is." The translation “what God is” is very clear. What it means for the fullness of the theotēs to dwell in Christ has to be gleaned from the entire scope of Scripture, and not just the phrase or word itself, which is open to a number of interpretations. Gerhard Schneider notes: “ The meaning of the Colossians passage is not entirely clear” and that is the reason for all the various interpretations of the phrase and the wide variety of ways it is translated. Thus, different theologians have interpreted it to mean various things, including the will of God, divine grace and gift, and even “the Church” itself, along with interpretations that can be found in many translations, such as Deity, divinity, Godhead, God, “God’s being” “all that God is,” and “God’s nature.” What is clear from Scripture is that God gave Christ the gift of holy spirit and worked through him to accomplish His purposes. Thus, God was in Christ, reconciling the world (2 Corinthians 5:19). This verse is not saying that Jesus was God, but rather the fullness of what God is was in Christ—God’s character, power, and glory, resided in Christ, and now, as per Colossians 2:10, it resides in us.

 

[Fred]

Louw-Nida comments: “The expression "divine nature" may be rendered in a number of languages as "just what God is like" or 'how God is" or "what God is." The translation “what God is” is very clear.

It is clear what Louw and Nida meant. Here ya go:

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: the nature or state of being God (12.13, theotēs, page 140, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida - the boldface and underlined are mine).