Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

That is as stupid as could be. You are proposing how Paul and Barnabas could have said something different. It would be like selling squirt guns to people running out of a theater when someone yelled "FIRE."

You're overthinking it. They were already preaching and the topic moved to incarnation. They didn't use it to their advantage. Actually, their reaction in the following verses looks like outrage. They were angry would would dare make sacrifices to and worship humans like them! Wow, Jesus is a human too. Catching on yet?

 

[mikesw]

You're overthinking it. They were already preaching and the topic moved to incarnation. They didn't use it to their advantage. Actually, their reaction in the following verses looks like outrage. They were angry would would dare make sacrifices to and worship humans like them! Wow, Jesus is a human too. Catching on yet?

Uh. I do not equate Paul and Barnabas to the divinity of Jesus. Keep working on it. Scientology will likely call you soon.
I guess you are running out of bad arguments so you are searching out worse arguments.

 

[Runningman]

Uh. I do not equate Paul and Barnabas to the divinity of Jesus. Keep working on it. Scientology will likely call you soon.

So far I have found Biblical evidence that Trinitarianism is more closely related to Greek mythology than Christianity.

 

[mikesw]

So far I have found Biblical evidence that Trinitarianism is more closely related to Greek mythology than Christianity.

Then you are claiming that Jesus, Matthew, Paul, and Peter have been writing from a Pagan perspective. That is quite an unusual find. Publish your findings in a peer-reviewed theological journal.

 

[Runningman]

Then you are claiming that Jesus, Matthew, Paul, and Peter have been writing from a Pagan perspective. That is quite an unusual find. Publish your findings in a peer-reviewed theological journal.

Jesus taught Christianity and the disciples are Christians. The Greek pagans teach what you do. Wait, are you saying you believe Jesus and everyone else borrowed ideas from paganism?

 

[mikesw]

Jesus taught Christianity and the disciples are Christians. The Greek pagans teach what you do. Wait, are you saying you believe Jesus and everyone else borrowed ideas from paganism?

You are the one suggesting pagan origins of the teachings of scriptures. In reality, nothing parallels pagan teachings when sharing the divinity of Christ. You are unable to recognize the distinctions, which may be the cause of your problems.

 

[Runningman]

You are the one suggesting pagan origins of the teachings of scriptures. In reality, nothing parallels pagan teachings when sharing the divinity of Christ. You are unable to recognize the distinctions, which may be the cause of your problems.

Oh, no Jesus being incarnated isn't Scripture. No one ever said God came down in human form in the Bible. I got you now. I am just talking about what Christians believe contrary to what Trinitarians and pagans believe. I hope that clears it up.

 

[mikesw]

Oh, no Jesus being incarnated isn't Scripture. No one ever said God came down in human form in the Bible. I got you now. I am just talking about what Christians believe contrary to what Trinitarians and pagans believe. I hope that clears it up.

i do not know any Christians that believe contrary to the Trinity. Maybe there are some Christians that don't think about the Triune essence of God, but that is okay as long as they are not trying to deny the divinity of Christ. You are mistaken again

 

[Runningman]

i do not know any Christians that believe contrary to the Trinity. Maybe there are some Christians that don't think about the Triune essence of God, but that is okay as long as they are not trying to deny the divinity of Christ. You are mistaken again

Never heard of anyone who could claim to be a Christian and also quote which one of Jesus' teachings they are following about a Trinity. Met plenty of Christians who can quote verses where the one and only God is defined as the Father though. We Christians just have the same God as Jesus.

 

[mikesw]

Never heard of anyone who could claim to be a Christian and also quote which one of Jesus' teachings they are following about a Trinity. Met plenty of Christians who can quote verses where the one and only God is defined as the Father though. We Christians just have the same God as Jesus.

I would think you could have a convincing argument for your heresy if you had actually relied on scripture. You use John 17:3 and dismiss the counterbalance of v 5. When you use half quotes you can make scripture mean anything.

 

[Peterlag]

I wonder often what will happen to these trinity folks who fight me tooth and nail everyday.

• Will all of them even make heaven?

• How will they feel to learn they will get no kind or reward or thanks from Christ for handling the Word of God deceitfully?

• Will they just go in shock once they get to heaven and find out they fought their whole lives tooth and nail against the truth?

• Or will they just sit for a while realizing that everything they ever thought about concerning their religion was all a bunch of twisted lies?

I don't refer to the ones that just go to church and know nothing. I mean those who fight me tooth and nail to which I already know some are working for the dark side.

 

[Runningman]

I wonder often what will happen to these trinity folks who fight me tooth and nail everyday.

• Will all of them even make heaven?
• How will they feel to learn they will get no kind or reward or thanks from Christ for handling the Word of God deceitfully?
• Will they just go in shock once they get to heaven and find out they fought their whole lives tooth and nail against the truth?
• Or will they just sit for a while realizing that everything they ever thought about concerning their religion was all a bunch of twisted lies?

I don't refer to the ones that just go to church and know nothing. I mean those who fight me tooth and nail to which I already know some are working for the dark side.

Good question. It seems like a strange idea that there would be Trinitarians in heaven worshipping a trinity god while the rest of us have no idea what they are going on about. It would be divisive, confusing, chaotic, and unChristian. Personally, it's unthinkable to me, but I am sure God knows what to do one way or another.

 

[Peterlag]

Good question. It seems like a strange idea that there would be Trinitarians in heaven worshipping a trinity god while the rest of us have no idea what they are going on about. It would be divisive, confusing, chaotic, and unChristian. Personally, it's unthinkable to me, but I am sure God knows what to do one way or another.

Once the trinity folks get there... those that make it will then know Jesus was never God. So will nobody care or will they be in shock saying to Jesus but what about John 1:1 and what about Philippians 2:6? And on another thought yeah I wonder if the trinity guy will make it who told me the other day that we get salvation by believing Jesus is God. If that's all he's got. Well, he's going to be in shock.

 

[Peterlag]

The Bible says the Son will be subject to the Father even in the future...

“When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him [God] who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28). The teaching that the two of them are “co-equal” must be wrong if Jesus is subject to the Father even in the eternal future. John 10:36 says “do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?” The fact that Jesus was consecrated, or as it's translated in other versions as “sanctified” by God shows he's not God because God does not need to be sanctified. Philippians 2:6 says that Christ “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped.” The point of the verse is that Jesus Christ was highly exalted by God because he was humble and did not seek equality with God. Jesus would never have needed to seek equality with God in the first place because it would have been inherent in him if he was God.

cc: @Runningman Let's see how they spin this.

 

[Runningman]

The Bible says the Son will be subject to the Father even in the future...

“When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him [God] who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28). The teaching that the two of them are “co-equal” must be wrong if Jesus is subject to the Father even in the eternal future. John 10:36 says “do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?” The fact that Jesus was consecrated, or as it's translated in other versions as “sanctified” by God shows he's not God because God does not need to be sanctified. Philippians 2:6 says that Christ “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped.” The point of the verse is that Jesus Christ was highly exalted by God because he was humble and did not seek equality with God. Jesus would never have needed to seek equality with God in the first place because it would have been inherent in him if he was God.

cc: @Runningman Let's see how they spin this.

Yeah. The way it reads all over the Bible is that Jesus received all of the things, anointings, empowerment, blessings, authority, status, and exaltations that he didn't previously have. They spin all of it. Nothing shocks me anymore from them.

 

[Peterlag]

Yeah. The way it reads all over the Bible is that Jesus received all of the things, anointings, empowerment, blessings, authority, status, and exaltations that he didn't previously have. They spin all of it. Nothing shocks me anymore from them.

This is how I posted your brilliance on 3 different Trinity Facebook group sites...

I hope you're saved by something other than salvation is achieved by believing Jesus is God.​

They tell me Trinitarianism assumes a Trinity first and then attach Scripture to it. The Bible says the Son will be subject to the Father even in the future. “When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him [God] who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28). The teaching that the two of them are “co-equal” must be wrong if Jesus is subject to the Father even in the eternal future.

 

[Runningman]

This is how I posted your brilliance on 3 different Trinity Facebook group sites...

I hope you're saved by something other than salvation is achieved by believing Jesus is God.​

They tell me Trinitarianism assumes a Trinity first and then attach Scripture to it. The Bible says the Son will be subject to the Father even in the future. “When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him [God] who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:28). The teaching that the two of them are “co-equal” must be wrong if Jesus is subject to the Father even in the eternal future.

Nice way to put it, but being "made subject to" is a little stronger than just passively obeying God. Of course Jesus will obey God whatever it is, but the idea being conveyed is that Jesus will be actively brought under obedience . In other words, God is going to force a change in the hierarchy according to what Paul wrote.

The interesting question is, if God will be "all in all" in the future, then what is God now?

 

[Doug Brents]

What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...

1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.

Are you 100% Christ-like? No? Then you haven't graduated. But the fact that you think you have is very telling.

I always find it interesting that anything I say is my opinion and everything you say is the Word of God. That was the context that was written to someone else that you picked up out of context and twisted it into I deny the Scriptures.

No, Pete, I did not twist it out of context. Nor did I twist the Scriptures to say anything contrary to God (as you do frequently).

Jesus IS God. If He were not God, then He could not be the sacrifice that takes away the sin of the whole world. How could one finite man be the sacrifice for the whole world? It would take an infinite God to take away the sin of the whole world. But to be our "Kinsman Redeemer" He would also have to be our kinsman (a human). So God did exactly that: God took on the form of a man so that He was both God and Man, and thus fulfilled both sides of the Covenant.

 

[Peterlag]

Are you 100% Christ-like? No? Then you haven't graduated. But the fact that you think you have is very telling.

No, Pete, I did not twist it out of context. Nor did I twist the Scriptures to say anything contrary to God (as you do frequently).

Jesus IS God. If He were not God, then He could not be the sacrifice that takes away the sin of the whole world. How could one finite man be the sacrifice for the whole world? It would take an infinite God to take away the sin of the whole world. But to be our "Kinsman Redeemer" He would also have to be our kinsman (a human). So God did exactly that: God took on the form of a man so that He was both God and Man, and thus fulfilled both sides of the Covenant.

A couple of things. I don't seek to be Christ like. I walk in the spirit of Christ. And number two you twist my words often and Jesus is not God nor could he redeem us if he was.

 

[Doug Brents]

A couple of things. I don't seek to be Christ like. I walk in the spirit of Christ.

You don't seek to be Christ like? Why not? You were commanded to do so in Rom 8:29, Eph 4:15, Phil 2:5, 2 Cor 3:18, and 1 Pet 2:21. Yes, we also walk in the Spirit of Christ.

And number two you twist my words often and Jesus is not God nor could he redeem us if he was.

That is your opinion, and I appreciate your expressing it. But it is not the truth from Scripture, so I cannot and will not agree with you.