DavidTree
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2 out of 3 = you are getting closer to the TRUTH
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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Marvelloustime
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“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
Tothalordbeallglory
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schwester ist hier . Unload those wonderful reminders dear sister .
Tothalordbeallglory
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To sie trenches my friend . The LORD is our hope and our salvation .
Let all that draws breath praise the glorious LORD .
But beware of men for many do deceive this people .
Marvelloustime
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Brother is here.
Marvelloustime
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Tothalordbeallglory
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To the LORD be the glory and all the praise my dear sister .
we march onwards day by day towards the celestial kingdom of the glorious LORD . another day closer .
Peterlag
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"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;..." John 14:9.
The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).
In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ah is used for both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Genesis 16:4; Exodus 32:1; Numbers 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω) translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and 3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind, to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see” is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”
The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who knew Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him, and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse, Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.
The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).
In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ah is used for both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Genesis 16:4; Exodus 32:1; Numbers 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω) translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and 3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind, to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see” is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”
The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who knew Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him, and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse, Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.
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Tothalordbeallglory
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My advice to all is heed not the peter who lags .
You all may return to the thread now . it was but a quick but very needful reminder . this guy
does nothing but explain away the truth to fit , to fit , well it darn sure aint TRUTH .
You all may return to the thread now . it was but a quick but very needful reminder . this guy
does nothing but explain away the truth to fit , to fit , well it darn sure aint TRUTH .
Runningman
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Your point?
Runningman
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Peter knows what he is talking about. Thanks though. Carry on.
Peterlag
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Did you see my last post? Here it is...
"...he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;..." John 14:9.
The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).
In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ahis used for both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Genesis 16:4; Exodus 32:1; Numbers 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω) translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind,to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see”is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”
The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who new Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you know him, and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse,Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.
Runningman
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Provide a Scriptural example instead of asking random questions. That's why I asked your point for you to explain yourself. Start explaining.
No, because you were the one who made the affirmation that people can talk to Jesus.
I asked if a person can talk to Jesus silently within his/her heart.
You keep dodging this.
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Peterlag
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I can't help noticing because I'm on a few sites everyday for hours each day and I read what non trinity people like myself post in the comments. And of course I get to read a lot of comments from the trinity folks. And here's what I see everyday and since I have been doing this so much is why I have a lot of experience with what I'm about to say.
The non trinity folks are mostly kind, ask and state direct questions and statements along with being upfront and pleasant. I said mostly. The trinity folks seem to mostly be a bit rude as they attack, accuse, and refer to us as ignorant, foolish, and continue to be unkind in a number of ways referring to us as heretics, or possessed meaning we are serving the devil.
There are some on here that I don't even interact with because they open up every comment with some kind of a rude dig like "well, here you are again not using your brain, which is normal for you" or something like "I'm not surprised you continue to post your own opinion and not follow the Bible."
What do you make out of this?
You affirm Jesus can be prayed to, while Runningman has a problem with that.
Runningman
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I believe that if they can't refute your rock-solid presentation of Scripture, then they will probably try to belittle you, minimize you, smear you, or say anything else that will cast doubt on the things you're showing in the Bible. They'll believe their own lies and that will be the excuse they need to keep their idol because they will believe you are a heretic so you can't possibly be right in their mind. Also, they probably hope that in some way it will deter others from believing you and, ideally, wear you out until you're tired of being here.
That is what I suppose, but good luck getting any of them to admit that's what they are doing, let alone say amen to any verses you quote. You're showing a lot of things the Bible says that hurts their eyes and ears. It becomes a matter of their religion against Scripture and their effort to justify themselves by whatever means possible at some point. Just be glad they have been stripped of their claws and fangs in the present day. I hear the Trinitarians were a blood thirsty group throughout most of their history. Fortunately, we can openly disagree with them nowadays without getting martyred.
Peterlag
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I just hope for their sake they don't run up against me in heaven as one of their judges because saying to me we did not know... nobody told us is not going to work.
Peterlag
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Very few people know as much as I do. I'm one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the resurrected Christ Jesus.
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