Scripture teaches that Jesus was not involved in his resurrection

[Runningman]

Jesus is God.

IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [Isa. 9:6.]
2 He was present originally with God.
3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.
4 In Him was Life, and the Life was the Light of men.
5 And the Light shines on in the darkness, for the darkness has never overpowered it [put it out or absorbed it or appropriated it, and is unreceptive to it].
John 1:1–5


Jesus said to him, On the other hand, it is written also, You shall not tempt, test thoroughly, or try exceedingly the Lord your God.
Matthew 4:7

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time.

The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world.

2 And He [that same Jesus Himself] is the propitiation (the atoning sacrifice) for our sins, and not for ours alone but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
1 John 2:2.

A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world. Then die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.

21 For our sake He made Christ [virtually] to be sin Who knew no sin, so that in and through Him we might become [endued with, viewed as being in, and examples of] the righteousness of God [what we ought to be, approved and acceptable and in right relationship with Him, by His goodness].
2 Co 5:21

Not convincing at all since nothing in the Bible says to pray to Jesus. There is only one teaching in the Bible about who to pray to and it explcitly says to pray to the Father.

Matthew 6​

6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.​

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9So then, this is how you should pray:​

‘Our Father in heaven,​

hallowed be Your name.​

There are also no teachings to worship Jesus in the Bible. The Bible says to worship the Father.

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John 4​

23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”​

Additonally, the Lord sent Jesus Christ, therefore Jesus isn't the Lord who sent himself. It's because you don't understand Jesus has a Lord who made him Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36)

Acts 3 (KJV)​

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:​

The glory Jesus was given he gave to his disciples. Means Jesus didn't have God's exclusive glory. There are no examples of Jesus sharing God's exclusive glory in all of Scripture. All of the glory Jesus has, the Bible says we can share it with Jesus. Jesus and us Christians don't share God's exclusive glory. The Bible says we are given such glory by God, just like Jesus.

This means Jesus isn't God.

John 17​

5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.​

22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—​

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Romans 8​

17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.​

18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.​

30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.​

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2 Corinthians 3​

18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.​

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Colossians 3​

4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.​

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2 Thessalonians 2​

14To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.​

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1 Peter 5​

1As a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings, and a partaker of the glory to be revealed, I appeal to the elders among you:​

10And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.​

It has been recorded that Jesus denied that he is God in the verses below from the KJV:

Matthew 19​

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

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Mark 10​

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.​

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Luke 18​

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.​

Based on the above Scripture, we can find the following information:

Jesus rhetorically questions why he is being called "good" and says that only God is good. This means that Jesus is distinguishing himself from God and that absolute goodness belongs exclusively to God. In saying this, Jesus denies that he possesses the absolute goodness that God has.

This distinction that Jesus pointed out between himself and God is evident in his rhetorical question about why he is being called good. If Jesus were God, then it would not be consistent for him to deny being called good and thus deny having this divine attribute of God.

Since Jesus denied having the absolute goodness of God, Jesus strongly inferred that he is just a teacher and a prophet. In John 8:28, Jesus stated, "I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." Therefore, Jesus was himself taught by his God and Father. Needing to be taught by God means that Jesus is not omniscient and didn't inherently know the things he himself was teaching until he was taught.

Therefore, Jesus denied being God.

 

[Runningman]

haha. Indeed I do not expect that people responded to what I believe or say because they said everything before me. You are a hyperliteralist except when you want to deny the divinity of Christ.

So you're saying God, Jesus, and the apostles deceived everyone because they were just joking about everything they said regarding Jesus' resurrection not being something that he actually did? That would be the line of thinking that one would need to adopt to get in line with your beliefs.

 

[mikesw]

So you're saying God, Jesus, and the apostles deceived everyone because they were just joking about everything they said regarding Jesus' resurrection not being something that he actually did? That would be the line of thinking that one would need to adopt to get in line with your beliefs.

Jesus said he would raise himself. Being part of the Godhead also means he did that. You are calling Jesus a false prophet so you can deny who he is. I hardly have any problem, especially not compared to your rejection of the testimony of the divinity of Christ. You cannot even accept the testimony of John 1 nor Paul in Philippians. I will trust scripture rather than your spin and denials.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus said he would raise himself. Being part of the Godhead also means he did that. You are calling Jesus a false prophet so you can deny who he is. I hardly have any problem, especially not compared to your rejection of the testimony of the divinity of Christ. You cannot even accept the testimony of John 1 nor Paul in Philippians. I will trust scripture rather than your spin and denials.

Right, but then after that Jesus didn't raise himself as the rest of the Bible says. So the way to understand what Jesus said is as a prophecy yet to be fulfilled, not as something he would actually do. “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” is obviously non-literal prophetic language about something that would happen in the future as several well-known Trinitarian commentators agree with.

Want to prove my point? Go ahead and find even one single verse or passage where someone said Jesus resurrected Jesus after Jesus died. The apostles went about the Roman empire teaching everyone that the Father resurrected a dead man from the grave and took him to heaven.

 

[mikesw]

Right, but then after that Jesus didn't raise himself as the rest of the Bible says. So the way to understand what Jesus said is as a prophecy yet to be fulfilled, not as something he would actually do. “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.” is obviously non-literal prophetic language about something that would happen in the future as several well-known Trinitarian commentators agree with.

Want to prove my point? Go ahead and find even one single verse or passage where someone said Jesus resurrected Jesus after Jesus died. The apostles went about the Roman empire teaching everyone that the Father resurrected a dead man from the grave and took him to heaven.

Funny that the commentators I checked do not reject this -- but do not say anything specific about him raising himself.

Your prompt is essentially saying "if we neglect any verses of Jesus raising himself from the dead, what verses can you find of Jesus raising himself from the dead?" Neglecting your biasing, I will not do that.

So we have at least one verse of Jesus raising himself John 2:19-21. You still have not explained how Jesus can say that without it being true. It is literal in their killing of Jesus.
We have a verse of the Spirit of God raising Jesus per Rom 8:11 but in Rom 10:9 God raised him from the dead. Maybe you mean this happened twice.

There are about 9 times that Acts mentions God raising Jesus. This Jesus is called the Author of life (Act 3:15) which points to his pre-existence lest there never had been life before.

Statistically Jesus is raised by himself 5% of the time and then by the Spirit of God 5% of the time and then by mentioning God specifically 90% of time.
So I guess you win if Bible exegesis is determined by the statistical comparisons and you deny that Christ is God and was with God (John 1).

None of this is a denial of the divinity of Christ either, as a unitarian is predisposed to argue here. This can simply mean that it would be confusing to say Jesus raised himself from the dead when calling people to repent and acknowledge him as Lord. The gospel message was to repent and be saved from that perverse generation because the kingdom was coming and judgment too. It is only a clarification of the identity of Jesus to speak of his divinity and would be confusing if they were to preach Jesus raised himself. The gospels show his divinity but only John makes the clearest identification of his divinity so Christ can be understood in the fullest sense.

 

[101G]

Did Jesus pray to be saved in Hebrews 5:7. Yes or no.

Hebrews 5
7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.

book chapter and verse where the Lord Jesus sinned in order to be saved.

now saved from death? do one need a saviour for that? no, 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

now that book chapter and verse where the Lord Jesus sinned.

101G

 

[Scott]

Not convincing at all since nothing in the Bible says to pray to Jesus. There is only one teaching in the Bible about who to pray to and it explcitly says to pray to the Father.

Matthew 6​

6But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.​

​

9So then, this is how you should pray:​

‘Our Father in heaven,​

hallowed be Your name.​

There are also no teachings to worship Jesus in the Bible. The Bible says to worship the Father.

​

John 4​

23But a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such as these to worship Him. 24God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”​

Additonally, the Lord sent Jesus Christ, therefore Jesus isn't the Lord who sent himself. It's because you don't understand Jesus has a Lord who made him Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36)

Acts 3 (KJV)​

19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; 20And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:​

The glory Jesus was given he gave to his disciples. Means Jesus didn't have God's exclusive glory. There are no examples of Jesus sharing God's exclusive glory in all of Scripture. All of the glory Jesus has, the Bible says we can share it with Jesus. Jesus and us Christians don't share God's exclusive glory. The Bible says we are given such glory by God, just like Jesus.

This means Jesus isn't God.

John 17​

5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.​

22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—​

​

Romans 8​

17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.​

18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.​

30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.​

​

2 Corinthians 3​

18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.​

​

Colossians 3​

4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.​

​

2 Thessalonians 2​

14To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.​

​

1 Peter 5​

1As a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings, and a partaker of the glory to be revealed, I appeal to the elders among you:​

10And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish you.​

It has been recorded that Jesus denied that he is God in the verses below from the KJV:

Matthew 19​

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

​

Mark 10​

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.​

​

Luke 18​

19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.​

Based on the above Scripture, we can find the following information:

Jesus rhetorically questions why he is being called "good" and says that only God is good. This means that Jesus is distinguishing himself from God and that absolute goodness belongs exclusively to God. In saying this, Jesus denies that he possesses the absolute goodness that God has.

This distinction that Jesus pointed out between himself and God is evident in his rhetorical question about why he is being called good. If Jesus were God, then it would not be consistent for him to deny being called good and thus deny having this divine attribute of God.

Since Jesus denied having the absolute goodness of God, Jesus strongly inferred that he is just a teacher and a prophet. In John 8:28, Jesus stated, "I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." Therefore, Jesus was himself taught by his God and Father. Needing to be taught by God means that Jesus is not omniscient and didn't inherently know the things he himself was teaching until he was taught.

Therefore, Jesus denied being God.

Not trying to be convincing. That train left the station a long time ago. I only deal with The Real McCoy today.

 

[Runningman]

Funny that the commentators I checked do not reject this -- but do not say anything specific about him raising himself.

You didn't find any commentarors about people saying "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it" being a prophecy? You should find some better commentaries. Everyone knows Jesus didn't literally destroy a temple or his own temple. And everyone knows he was dead for three days in the grave.

Your prompt is essentially saying "if we neglect any verses of Jesus raising himself from the dead, what verses can you find of Jesus raising himself from the dead?" Neglecting your biasing, I will not do that.

So we have at least one verse of Jesus raising himself John 2:19-21. You still have not explained how Jesus can say that without it being true. It is literal in their killing of Jesus.
We have a verse of the Spirit of God raising Jesus per Rom 8:11 but in Rom 10:9 God raised him from the dead. Maybe you mean this happened twice.

There are about 9 times that Acts mentions God raising Jesus. This Jesus is called the Author of life (Act 3:15) which points to his pre-existence lest there never had been life before.

Statistically Jesus is raised by himself 5% of the time and then by the Spirit of God 5% of the time and then by mentioning God specifically 90% of time.
So I guess you win if Bible exegesis is determined by the statistical comparisons and you deny that Christ is God and was with God (John 1).

None of this is a denial of the divinity of Christ either, as a unitarian is predisposed to argue here. This can simply mean that it would be confusing to say Jesus raised himself from the dead when calling people to repent and acknowledge him as Lord. The gospel message was to repent and be saved from that perverse generation because the kingdom was coming and judgment too. It is only a clarification of the identity of Jesus to speak of his divinity and would be confusing if they were to preach Jesus raised himself. The gospels show his divinity but only John makes the clearest identification of his divinity so Christ can be understood in the fullest sense.

Cease your babbling. Can you show any evidence outside of prophecy that Jesus raised himself after he died? Yes or no.

 

[Runningman]

book chapter and verse where the Lord Jesus sinned in order to be saved.

now saved from death? do one need a saviour for that? no, 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

now that book chapter and verse where the Lord Jesus sinned.

101G

I didn't say Jesus sinned. I said Jesus needed God to save him, i.e., Jesus needed God to be his savior as Hebrews 5:7 states. It's not a trick question. Read the verse and say if you agree or not.

 

[Runningman]

Not trying to be convincing. That train left the station a long time ago. I only deal with The Real McCoy today.

Where is your train heading, I wonder.

 

[Olde Tymer]

What Jesus said about his resurrection in John 2:19-21, he was simply being prophetic of what
would happen to him.

Who then is the antecedent of the personal pronoun "I" in verse 19 if not
Jesus himself?

You see; the rules of English grammar require "I" in this situation to be the
speaker because there is no clear indication in the text that Jesus is quoting
someone.
_

 

[Runningman]

Who then is the antecedent of the personal pronoun "I" in verse 19 if not
Jesus himself?

You see; the rules of English grammar require "I" in this situation to be the
speaker because there is no clear indication in the text that Jesus is quoting
someone.
_

Saying "I" doesn't negate it being a propehcy. There are many prophets who said "I" [will do it] but they didn't actually do it because it was a prophecy and the power didn't come from them, but rather from God.

 

[Olde Tymer]

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FAQ: Is it wrong to attempt communicating with God's son?

REPLY: Jesus encouraged prayer to himself on numerous occasions, for example:

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will
give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink,
you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a
loud voice: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

When Jesus says come and/or ask he expects the hearers to contact him with an
appropriate response.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them
you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you
refuse to come to me to have life.

In point of fact, Jesus' superior urges folks to contact His son.

● John 6:44-45 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws
him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets: "They will
all be taught by God." Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him
comes to me.

NOTE: In the letter to Hebrews, Jesus is portrayed as the new covenant's high
priest. Now it would be a fine kettle of fish if I was never permitted to communicate
with the one man in Heaven that I'm confident has God's ear.

I have inoperable end-stage esophageal cancer. Radiation and chemo have slowed
it down, but haven't stopped it. When I complete my walk thru the valley of the
shadow of death, I hope to have enough presence of mind remaining to speak up
the same as Stephen did in his last moments.

● Acts 7:59 . .While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed: Lord Jesus, receive my
spirit.
_

 

[Scott]

Where is your train heading, I wonder.

I'll clue you in.

It's heading to my real home.

Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, things all things new."... And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts."
REVELATION 21:5-6

Heaven is the place where we become complete. We all have this feeling of inadequacy or self—conscious or longing to be more than we are. This life is just preparation for that place of completeness and fullness. That is why we get little glimpses of it every once in awhile too, when we actually are around some place or event or people where the Kingdom breaks in and we see reconciliation, or we see somebody actually repent, or forgiveness take place. That process is remarkable and so against our human nature—it is the type of stuff that beckons us home.

I DON'T BELONG
(SOJOURNER'S SONG)


GLORIA GAITHER, BUDDY GREENE, 1990

It's not home where men sell their souls
And the taste of power is sweet
Where wrong is right and neighbors fight
While the hungry are dying in the street
Where kids are abused and women are used
And the weak are crushed by the strong
Nations gone mad, Jesus is sad.
And I don't belong
I don't belong and I'm going someday
Home to my own native land
I don't belong and it seems like I hear
The sound of a welcome home band
I don't belong, well I'm a foreigner here
Just singing a sojourner's song
I've always known this place ain't home
And I don't belong

Heaven is Gods home where all has been put right, where everybody belongs, where everybody is experiencing love to its fullest—the love that God has for them and the love that spills over to each other. That love will create music, dancing, and art with reckless abandon, because we will finally get over ourselves and our insecurities and all those things. Heaven will be so glorious!

 

[Scott]

.
FAQ: Is it wrong to attempt communicating with God's son?

REPLY: Jesus encouraged prayer to himself on numerous occasions, for example:

● Matt 11:28-29 . . Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will
give you rest.

● John 4:10-14 . .If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink,
you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

● John 7:37 . . On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a
loud voice: If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink!

When Jesus says come and/or ask he expects the hearers to contact him with an
appropriate response.

● John 5:39 . . .You diligently study the scriptures because you think that by them
you possess eternal life. These are the scriptures that testify about me, yet you
refuse to come to me to have life.

In point of fact, Jesus' superior urges folks to contact His son.

● John 6:44-45 . . No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws
him, and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets: "They will
all be taught by God." Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from Him
comes to me.

NOTE: In the letter to Hebrews, Jesus is portrayed as the new covenant's high
priest. Now it would be a fine kettle of fish if I was never permitted to communicate
with the one man in Heaven that I'm confident has God's ear.

I have inoperable end-stage esophageal cancer. Radiation and chemo have slowed
it down, but haven't stopped it. When I complete my walk thru the valley of the
shadow of death, I hope to have enough presence of mind remaining to speak up
the same as Stephen did in his last moments.

● Acts 7:59 . .While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed: Lord Jesus, receive my
spirit.
_

You have the victory! When I get to Heaven I would like you to show me around.

 

[Scott]

Bill & Gloria Gaither - I Don't Belong (Sojourner's Song) by Buddy Greene

 

[Runningman]

I'll clue you in.

It's heading to my real home.

Then He who sat on the throne said, "Behold, things all things new."... And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts."
REVELATION 21:5-6

Heaven is the place where we become complete. We all have this feeling of inadequacy or self—conscious or longing to be more than we are. This life is just preparation for that place of completeness and fullness. That is why we get little glimpses of it every once in awhile too, when we actually are around some place or event or people where the Kingdom breaks in and we see reconciliation, or we see somebody actually repent, or forgiveness take place. That process is remarkable and so against our human nature—it is the type of stuff that beckons us home.

I DON'T BELONG
(SOJOURNER'S SONG)


GLORIA GAITHER, BUDDY GREENE, 1990

It's not home where men sell their souls
And the taste of power is sweet
Where wrong is right and neighbors fight
While the hungry are dying in the street
Where kids are abused and women are used
And the weak are crushed by the strong
Nations gone mad, Jesus is sad.
And I don't belong
I don't belong and I'm going someday
Home to my own native land
I don't belong and it seems like I hear
The sound of a welcome home band
I don't belong, well I'm a foreigner here
Just singing a sojourner's song
I've always known this place ain't home
And I don't belong

Heaven is Gods home where all has been put right, where everybody belongs, where everybody is experiencing love to its fullest—the love that God has for them and the love that spills over to each other. That love will create music, dancing, and art with reckless abandon, because we will finally get over ourselves and our insecurities and all those things. Heaven will be so glorious!

This doesn't sound like a song that you will be singing with us. God is on the throne, not the Lamb. The number too great to count is the church and we're all Unitarian. It will be very strange with trintiarians in heaven worshipping a trinity while we worship God.

Revelation 7
9After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb!”

 

[Scott]

SQUIRE PARSONS, 1979

I'm kind of homesick,
Homesick for that country
To which I've never been before
No sad goodbyes will there be spoken
For time won't matter anymore
Beulah Land, I'm longing for you
And someday on thee I'll stand
There my heart shall be eternal
Beulah Land, sweet Beulah Land

Heaven will not only look fresh and new, it will feel fresh and new. It's going to be wonderful.

John gives us not just a vision of Heaven's fresh beauty but a "feel" of Heaven's serenity, which permeates the atmosphere because God is there:

"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them, they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain for the old order of things has passed away'" Revelation 21:34

 

[John Evens]

The Christadelphians are a restorationist and nontrinitarian (Biblical Unitarian) Christian denomination. The name means 'brothers and sisters in Christ', from the Greek words for Christ (Christos) and brothers (adelphoi).

Christadelphians believe in the inspiration of the Bible, the Virgin Birth, the status of Jesus as the son of God, believer's baptism, the resurrection of the dead, the second coming of Christ, and the future kingdom of God on earth. However, they reject a number of mainstream Christian doctrines, for example the Trinity and the immortality of the soul, believing these to be corruptions of original Christian teaching.

 

[101G]

I didn't say Jesus sinned. I said Jesus needed God to save him, i.e., Jesus needed God to be his savior as Hebrews 5:7 states. It's not a trick question. Read the verse and say if you agree or not.

run, this is what you said,
Runningman said:
"Did Jesus pray to be saved in Hebrews 5:7. Yes or no."

before that you said,
"Now put your eyes back on Hebrews 5:7. Jesus has a savior, yes or no?"
so why would Jesus need God to be his saviour? again, why and what for? see run, there is only ONE saviour, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

you're reproved again

101G.