Thomas... My Lord and my God
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dwight92070
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Peterlag said:
Very few people know as much as I do. I'm one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the resurrected Christ Jesus.
As I said, this is spirit of antiChrist speaking.
Very few people know as much as I do. I'm one of the most knowledgeable guys on the planet concerning the resurrected Christ Jesus.
As I said, this is spirit of antiChrist speaking.
Peterlag
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Why does it have to be a bad spirit? Why can't it be a good spirit who know Jesus is not God?
If the spirit is telling you that Jesus is God. That spirit is not from God. The spirit from God will say that Jesus came in the flesh. The false spirit will say God came in the flesh. There's your test of the spirit.
Hmm. This is like the passage where the unclean spirits did not recognize Jesus as the Son of God. Oh wait. The unclean spirits acknowledged Jesus as the Son of God. So even unclean spirits know Christ better than those who deny Christ's divinity. Amazing where true biblical logic leads those who seek Christ.
Peterlag
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I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry.
We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?
What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.
We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?
What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.
There is this weird push for the unitarian heresy that seems to have happened in the last 5 years -- or longer if I have been too secluded. So that is the first part of the context to answer this question.
However, as to not using his mind, I would disagree. Peterlag has made every effort to dismiss scriptures about the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. It seems he has gone into great depth of thinking to find ways to read passages without the divine sense of the text, pun intended. This is similar to Jewish interpreters of Paul's writings who seek to provide a softened or alternative view of what Paul was saying and of the circumstances behind the writing of letters. Although it can be useful to go through such exercises, these approaches fall short of opening up a new avenue of understanding Paul. Instead, we find better clarification of the earlier doctrines and understanding, albeit with some rough edges trimmed off.
Another artifact of the hyper-literalist unitarian who is unable to understand God beyond words used in scripture. God must be a simple man-made concept within the unitarian view.
Too bad you have come all this way and not figured out the essence of God as shared in scripture. Yet, you do not follow wisdom so as to avoid sharing your failing arguments.
Peterlag
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Jesus was “one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin” (Hebrew 4:15),...
and yet the Bible is clear that God cannot be tempted: “for God cannot be tempted with evil” (James 1:13). Angels ministered to and strengthened Jesus at times of weakness or difficulty and we see this in Luke 22:43 that says “And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him” [in the garden of Gethsemane]. Humans need to be strengthened, but God does not need to be strengthened by angels or by anyone or anything. Scripture says very plainly that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Orthodox Christian doctrine teaches only the human side of Jesus died, but that assertion is based on assumptions because there's no verse of Scripture that says anything like “only the human side of the nature of Jesus died.”
and yet the Bible is clear that God cannot be tempted: “for God cannot be tempted with evil” (James 1:13). Angels ministered to and strengthened Jesus at times of weakness or difficulty and we see this in Luke 22:43 that says “And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him” [in the garden of Gethsemane]. Humans need to be strengthened, but God does not need to be strengthened by angels or by anyone or anything. Scripture says very plainly that Jesus died. God cannot die. Romans 1:23 and other verses say that God is immortal. Orthodox Christian doctrine teaches only the human side of Jesus died, but that assertion is based on assumptions because there's no verse of Scripture that says anything like “only the human side of the nature of Jesus died.”
Peterlag
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Here's everything I could find on the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity...
It's about 2 pages and a good read explaining the Trinity part of the Holy Spirit.
walking-by-the-spirit.com
It's about 2 pages and a good read explaining the Trinity part of the Holy Spirit.
Data On The Holy Spirit | The Gift of God’s Spirit Has Changed
The data on the Holy Spirit. The gift of God's spirit has changed. Learn more about data on the Holy Spirit here at Walking By The Spirit and read the free book.
walking-by-the-spirit.com
that certainly is overall a good distraction or deflection of what scripture actually conveys. That is not very helpful for Christians though.Here's everything I could find on the Holy Spirit part of the Trinity...
It's about 2 pages and a good read explaining the Trinity part of the Holy Spirit.
Data On The Holy Spirit | The Gift of God’s Spirit Has Changed
The data on the Holy Spirit. The gift of God's spirit has changed. Learn more about data on the Holy Spirit here at Walking By The Spirit and read the free book.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Most knowledgeable . okay here is a real simple statement .
And i can prove it very very easy . Interfaith interreligious finding common ground IS of anti christ .
Agree or not . So simple even a wee child can see this . But what says you my friend .
Is it for a glorious and holy cause , OR BE IT OF ANTI CHRIST .
you know what i say . ANTI CHRIST all the way with absolutely not a doubt one in my mind either .
Tothalordbeallglory
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OH i can tell you exactly why this big move came about . And who done it too .
TO MERGE the religoins you cant have one cliaming to be alpha and omega
You gots to remove the diety of CHRIST .
you have to make it seem as all religoins simply had prophets
and that they didnt have all the TRUTH etc . THEY DID THIS .
You wanna know why this push has gained so much ground within christendom .
WELL , THERE IT IS . INTERFIATH IS of anti christ and it was the plan all along
to merge these religoins . All beleiving they serve LOVE and GOD . the whole lott of it BE OF ANTI CHRISTS .
I wont and dont and shant HEED a word one outta they lips either .
This sheep , nor any other sheep , has any business FINDING common ground with satan and darkness .
sure. interfaith does not work. An analogy would be to ask what hydrates our body in addition to water. The answer is that nothing else does. You cannot drink pure alcohol or hydrogen peroxide to hydrate yourself. Likewise, Christ Jesus is like that water that hydrates us.
Then i thought the unitarians were coming due to confusion or seeking clarification here. Instead, they came to simply push their doctrines. I also pondered some over the verses they shared and their explanations, but these never were convincing. I think someday we get a refinement of understanding of God, but these guys did not contribute toward that.
Peterlag
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1 Timothy 2:5says that it's the man Jesus, who was the mediator between God and men.
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” This verse calls Jesus Christ a“man” even after his resurrection. Trinitarian doctrine tries to explain the verses that say Jesus was a man by saying that he was a man, but he was also 100% God at the same time. But there are problems with that such as there is no single verse that says Jesus was both God and man and that's why the God-man doctrine is built from many verses.
Furthermore, scholars admit that there are only about eight verses in the entire New Testament that can be understood to say that Jesus is God, and every one of them can either be translated in a way that supports the Biblical Unitarian position, or disputed textually, or can be explained from the use of the word “God” in the culture. In contrast, the clear verses where Jesus is said to be a “man” such as when Peter or Paul taught their audiences that Jesus was a man appointed by God are not disputed and in the context there does not seem to be any good reason those men would not have said Jesus was a God-man if in fact that is what he is.
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” This verse calls Jesus Christ a“man” even after his resurrection. Trinitarian doctrine tries to explain the verses that say Jesus was a man by saying that he was a man, but he was also 100% God at the same time. But there are problems with that such as there is no single verse that says Jesus was both God and man and that's why the God-man doctrine is built from many verses.
Furthermore, scholars admit that there are only about eight verses in the entire New Testament that can be understood to say that Jesus is God, and every one of them can either be translated in a way that supports the Biblical Unitarian position, or disputed textually, or can be explained from the use of the word “God” in the culture. In contrast, the clear verses where Jesus is said to be a “man” such as when Peter or Paul taught their audiences that Jesus was a man appointed by God are not disputed and in the context there does not seem to be any good reason those men would not have said Jesus was a God-man if in fact that is what he is.
You can sort of try to neglect that the divinity is as critical as the humanity of Jesus. That does not help people know Christ though.
