civic
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Yes YHWH the Eternal Son , Amen
Thomas... My Lord and my God
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You completely ignored the scriptures
And you arbitrarily assumed Jesus could not be the lamb and Yahweh
Isaiah spoke of a messenger clearing the way of Yahweh.
John the baptist is identified as that messenger.
And he cleared the way for Jesus
Joel tells us
Joel 2:32 (CSB) — 32 Then everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved, for there will be an escape for those on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, as the LORD promised, among the survivors the LORD calls.
all who call on Yahweh will be saved
Paul tells us
Romans 10:8–13 (LEB) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim), 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”
all who call on the name of the Lord Jesus will be saved
civic
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Yes it’s called dodging and the old bait n switch routine
Running man!
That's it!
civic
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The funny thing is they say they believe Jesus and His teachings and flat out deny them.
Jesus said no one has seen the Father or heard His voice in the O.T. Jesus said He is the only one who has seen the Father.
So that only leaves the Son ( YHWH ) who was seen and heard by many in the O.T.
His middle name is 'away" as in Running Away Man.
This backs what I have noted throughout this discussion. There are so many ways that Jesus is shown as the incarnation of God (as one of the Trinity) that a Unitarian would need to write a book covering all these passages to counter the idea of a Triune God. The unitarians sound like hyper-literalists that cannot discern these nuances nor even the more blatant passages like John 1. The idea I mean with hyper-literalist is that they find a verse like John 17:3 and use the idea of God as the only true God and use that to reject every passage that speaks of Christ as God as if this is not possible. Of course they try to say that Christ Jesus would be a separate god. However, no one holds to that idea. Anyhow, the hyper-literalist then demands something more direct than John 1 to point to Jesus' pre-existence as God. They demand that scripture must have literal phrases "Jesus is part of the Trinity." But that is a philosophical preference rather than God's design.
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civic
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It’s called willful ignorance of scripture with Gods identity as Plural in persons.
Part of it also is that runningman said he had an encounter with what he said was God. He had said this was some of the reason he followed the unitarian view -- if memory serves. That was in one of his posts.
Maybe he did not quite say "experience with God" but said he knew by experience
Runningman
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The messenger who cleared the way for YHWH would be John the Baptist.
The Lamb is not YHWH in Scripture, therefore John didn't clear the way for Jesus. John and Jesus had similar preaching, that the kingdom of God was at hand and both of their groups of disciples were performing water baptizing and calling people to repentance. Jesus was clearing the way for YHWH as well. Do you want to know how? If you're open to it you can know!
YHWH is never spoken of as a Lamb who the Lamb like Jesus is. Apples and oranges comparison you have.
John 1
29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30This is He of whom I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’
Revelation 21
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
It is utterly ridiculous to use John 1:30 to say Jesus is a man. That is part of the Trinity concept --of the incarnation of the Son of God to earth. That is what John 1 is all about. So you add no argument to your unitarian heresy.
Runningman
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Question, did John the Baptist and Jesus' disciples both preach the kingdom of God was at hand, call people to repentance, and water baptize people?
What does that have to do with anything?
The question is whether you think Jesus lied or was wrong when, in John 2:19, he said he would raise the temple in 3 days.
Runningman
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What John was doing to prepare the way for YHWH is exactly what Jesus did to prepare the way for YHWH. This thread is not related to the other thread about Jesus not resurrecting himself.
John ministry was to preach for people to prepare for the way of the Lord. In Matt 3:2 he simply preaches "repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Jesus' ministry was not said to prepare for the way of the Lord because he was already in their midst. John was the one who announced that the Lord would be there. If Jesus is not God, then when did God appear among them?
Runningman
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So John didn't do a good enough job preparing the way for God, unfortunately got put in prison, then God had to come prick up the slack and prepare the way for Himself? Get out of here dude.
Following the chronology of John 1, the true Light (God) was coming into the world in the present tense. Means God was coming after Jesus had already been alive for about 30 years.
John 1
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
It sounds like all you did was hear about John in Sunday school and never learned what he did. Any hope of decent interpretation by you has vanished, even on the basics.
You do not make any sense here.
jeremiah1five
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No, I use God's words according to my call.
10 See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant. Jer. 1:10.
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:13.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:7–8.
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col. 2:9.
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matt. 1:23.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev. 1:8.
Verses Showing Jesus Performing Actions Attributed to God:
- Forgiveness of sins (Mark 2:5-10):
- Only God can forgive sins. Jesus's ability to do so is seen as a claim to divinity.
- Claiming to be one with the father (John 10:30):
- "I and the Father are one."
- Creating all things (Colossians 1:16):
- "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him."
You have more than enough proof here.
- "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him."
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Sorry John clearly prepared the way for Jesus
John was the messenger spoken of by Isaiah
You are simply assuming Jesus could not be the lamb and Jehovah.
That is completely arbitrary
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