Thomas... My Lord and my God

[synergy]

Proof Jesus was created because in your hypostatic union, someone made the boo boo of not allowing the man to be separate from the god.

Huh??? I have no idea what you talking about. Explain yourself with references to the Council of Chalcedon.

Jesus is a god man forever. Provided that Jesus is a human, he's made of the same created matter like everyone else.

Jesus is the Godman, not a god man. As Godman, Jesus did take on human nature and now has two natures.

John 1
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Wonderful Trinitarian verses. Thank you so much for sharing them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Avoided? I thought I was thanking you for that great verse. Now if you don't want to play nice. Then state your point from the post that you think I avoided and we can both be mean and cruel together.

You avoid Jesus everywhere you go. Why is that? You can't do anything with Him.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You're fantasizing. Six Unitarians did not avoid you like the plague because you're a Trinitarian. I have never heard of a Unitarian who was at all intimidated by a debate with a Trinitarian. If I had to pick who I think the easiest debate opponent then it's for sure the Trinitarians. The one I would want to debate the least would be a strong Unitarian and second would be diversified Oneness types. Why diversified Oneness? Because they just change the rules as they go and have an excuse for everything. It's very flexible. Trinitarianism on the other hand is very ridgid and has rules that can't be broke or contradicted without train wrecking the entire theology. So 1 minute tops at the beginning of the debate to debunk your religion.

No fantasy at all. I know you don't mind lying. That's the answer.

When you want to debate?

 

[Runningman]

No fantasy at all. I know you don't mind lying. That's the answer.

When you want to debate?

We can debate right here right now. What platform you use? Tiktok? I don't have 1000 followers so I couldn't do a live anyway.

 

[praise_yeshua]

We can debate right here right now. What platform you use? Tiktok? I don't have 1000 followers so I couldn't do a live anyway.

I'm about to go to sleep. YouTube. I'm in EST time zone. When we do debate, I insist you fully commit to your position up front before you start your ranting. Lord knows there are million different Unitarian positions. I don't believe you know the difference. I'll help with that. Us "lowly" Trinitarians aren't that complicated... right?

Lord Jesus Christ willing, I can do something some time tomorrow night. Do you submit to the will of Jesus Christ?

 

[Peterlag]

You avoid Jesus everywhere you go. Why is that? You can't do anything with Him.

I'm on a few different sites and I hear this often that I'm ignoring or avoiding. Mostly this is due to I have no idea what you're talking about. The religious belief that most people have are often assumed that others think the same way. I have no idea what you were referring to concerning the body we supposed to eat from Jesus and the blood we are to drink. It's sounded Catholic to me. So I'm not avoiding. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm on a few different sites and I hear this often that I'm ignoring or avoiding. Mostly this is due to I have no idea what you're talking about. The religious belief that most people have are often assumed that others think the same way. I have no idea what you were referring to concerning the body we supposed to eat from Jesus and the blood we are to drink. It's sounded Catholic to me. So I'm not avoiding. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Can you read what Jesus said? You avoid it because you don't listen to Jesus. Catholic has nothing to do with it.

 

[Runningman]

I'm about to go to sleep. YouTube. I'm in EST time zone. When we do debate, I insist you fully commit to your position up front before you start your ranting. Lord knows there are million different Unitarian positions. I don't believe you know the difference. I'll help with that. Us "lowly" Trinitarians aren't that complicated... right?

Lord Jesus Christ willing, I can do something some time tomorrow night. Do you submit to the will of Jesus Christ?

i never said I am getting on YouTube to debate you or anyone else. I said I will debate you right here, right now, on this forum. Why are you stalling? You randomly messaged me out of the blue chest beating now you’re running off to bed like a little coward. If you want to debate man up and and stay online.

 

[TomL]

Let's remember, dear readers, that Jews would have been RIGHT to consider blasphemous any person who claimed to be God.
No man could come claiming to YHWH, Adonai, The God of Abraham, Isaac of Jacob.
It does not matter how good that man could be, or what miracles he could make, or how wonderful messianic plans he could had.

If any of you travelled in a time machine to Jerusalem in those days, you would have tried to persuade Jews to accept Jesus as their Messiah... not as their God!!!!

Let's be honest: On what basis would you have tried to convince anybody of those Jews that Jesus was YHWH? Would you have invented out of a blue a new theology, without any consideration to the Tanakh and to centuries of monotheism, that have treated God as One Single Person "a He"?

Did the apostles, after Pentecost, try to persuade their fellow countrymen to accept Jesus as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of their ancestors?

Isaiah 40:3–5 (LEB) — 3 A voice is calling in the wilderness, “Clear the way of Yahweh! Make a highway smooth in the desert for our God! 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill shall become low, And the rough ground shall be like a plain, and the rugged ground like a valley-plain. 5 And the glory of Yahweh shall be revealed, and all humankind together shall see it, for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken.”

A messenger was to prepare the way for Yahweh and the glory of Yahweh will be seen

John 1:23 (LEB) — 23 He said, “I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, “Make straight the way of the Lord,” ’ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”

John cleared the way for Jesus

 

[Runningman]

Isaiah 40:3–5 (LEB) — 3 A voice is calling in the wilderness, “Clear the way of Yahweh! Make a highway smooth in the desert for our God! 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill shall become low, And the rough ground shall be like a plain, and the rugged ground like a valley-plain. 5 And the glory of Yahweh shall be revealed, and all humankind together shall see it, for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken.”

A messenger was to prepare the way for Yahweh and the glory of Yahweh will be seen

John 1:23 (LEB) — 23 He said, “I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, “Make straight the way of the Lord,” ’ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”

John cleared the way for Jesus

Contextually that wouldn’t be Jesus. Jesus is the Lamb in John while YHWH isn’t a man. Hence Jesus is called the Lamb of God, not God Himself.

John 1
29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!30This is He of whom I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’

 

[jeremiah1five]

John 1:14
The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.

I'm not going to argue with an unbeliever who is trying to upend a biblical doctrine that is clearly in Scripture and a bedrock of our faith and our acceptance of the nature of the Son of God in relation to the humanity whom He is sent to die for. A simple man could not by himself "bear the iniquity of us all" as a sacrifice before God. Only God can bear the iniquity of us all and not a mere man. So, I'm done here, and you can retain the hardness of your unatoned heart. Maybe one day you may come to the knowledge of the truth, but not today.

 

[civic]

Isaiah 40:3–5 (LEB) — 3 A voice is calling in the wilderness, “Clear the way of Yahweh! Make a highway smooth in the desert for our God! 4 Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill shall become low, And the rough ground shall be like a plain, and the rugged ground like a valley-plain. 5 And the glory of Yahweh shall be revealed, and all humankind together shall see it, for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken.”

A messenger was to prepare the way for Yahweh and the glory of Yahweh will be seen

John 1:23 (LEB) — 23 He said, “I am ‘the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, “Make straight the way of the Lord,” ’ just as Isaiah the prophet said.”

John cleared the way for Jesus

Amen biblical exegesis 101- The New interprets the old. The NT tells us what the OT meant. John 1:23 interprets Isaiah 40:3-5.

The uni's are up a creek without a paddle drowning in falsehoods.

 

[praise_yeshua]

i never said I am getting on YouTube to debate you or anyone else. I said I will debate you right here, right now, on this forum. Why are you stalling? You randomly messaged me out of the blue chest beating now you’re running off to bed like a little coward. If you want to debate man up and and stay online.

I can't join TikTok now or I would just to debate you. Live debates are meaningful. It will show how ill prepared you are and what little you know.

I had you on ignore because I don't consider you to be a challenge. Just someone "beating their chest" to get attention. I'm not looking for attention. I care about the truth. That is the difference between you and I.

Again. It is easy to show how you hate Jesus.

Luk 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Luk 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

Jesus is so much better than you.

 

[civic]

i never said I am getting on YouTube to debate you or anyone else. I said I will debate you right here, right now, on this forum. Why are you stalling? You randomly messaged me out of the blue chest beating now you’re running off to bed like a little coward. If you want to debate man up and and stay online.

@Administrator can we set up something for them here on our forum. for @praise_yeshua and @Runningman

 

[Administrator]

@Administrator can we set up something for them here on our forum. for @praise_yeshua and @Runningman

Sure I'll set it up today and they can use it when they Like

 

[civic]

Sure I'll set it up today and they can use it when they Like

Sounds good @Runningman @praise_yeshua . I'm looking forward to seeing the text debated.

 

[Peterlag]

I'm not going to argue with an unbeliever who is trying to upend a biblical doctrine that is clearly in Scripture and a bedrock of our faith and our acceptance of the nature of the Son of God in relation to the humanity whom He is sent to die for. A simple man could not by himself "bear the iniquity of us all" as a sacrifice before God. Only God can bear the iniquity of us all and not a mere man. So, I'm done here, and you can retain the hardness of your unatoned heart. Maybe one day you may come to the knowledge of the truth, but not today.

You use words that God does not use. The Bible does not use "a simple man" or a "mere man."

Jesus is the son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the now resurrected Lord Christ to the Christian. He sits at the right hand of God as second in command and is the head of the Church that is called the body of Christ. And there's nothing about that which means he's a common man.

 

[Peterlag]

Can you read what Jesus said? You avoid it because you don't listen to Jesus. Catholic has nothing to do with it.

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[civic]

Huh??? I have no idea what you talking about. Explain yourself with references to the Council of Chalcedon.

Jesus is the Godman, not a god man. As Godman, Jesus did take on human nature and now has two natures.

Wonderful Trinitarian verses. Thank you so much for sharing them.

Yes they proclaim Jesus is God the Creator of everything that came into existence.

 

[TomL]

Amen biblical exegesis 101- The New interprets the old. The NT tells us what the OT meant. John 1:23 interprets Isaiah 40:3-5.

The uni's are up a creek without a paddle drowning in falsehoods.

And Yahweh was revealed