Thomas... My Lord and my God

[Runningman]

Runningham said: "Falls short of saying Jesus has seen the Father in any different respect than anyone else."

Wow! You really don't know the Bible, do you? And I'm not talking about the NWT perversion.
John 17:5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."

Were you with the Father "before the world was" and did you share in His glory at that time???

So you see that Jesus HAS seen the Father in a MUCH DIFFERENT WAY than anyone else.

Please quote the verse where Jesus said he saw the Father. You didn't do it already because you don't have it, but let's keep the discussion going.

 

[Runningman]

I do not need your help on scriptures. I prefer to use proper exegetical skills instead.

I wish you could see my eyebrow raise and laughter. You are not an exegetical Christian sir.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman has once again exhibited very poor command of the English language. I believe that the vast majority of all heresies would immediately evaporate if people would just practice a good comprehensive understanding of English.

I am okay with teaching you English lessons. I am okay with it if English is not your first language because I have already did this in a hotbed of atheists in Vietnam. What is your first language? If you need help we can PM.

 

[Peterlag]

wow. so you are going to have a baby holy spirit born inside of you. that is berserk -- really distorted. It is taking awhile, but you are revealing more crazy doctrines of your unitarian distortions. I doubt you have a verse to support your view.

Oh no... I'm getting away from the accomplished goal of having you love me!!! I can provide many verses that say we are born again of God's spirit or that we are sealed with it or that we are filled with it. Is that what you're asking for?

"We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ.The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam?The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian." Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 108 https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

 

[synergy]

I am okay with teaching you English lessons. I am okay with it if English is not your first language because I have already did this in a hotbed of atheists in Vietnam. What is your first language? If you need help we can PM.

So that's where you experienced your hallucinations where you saw people "in the form of God".

 

[mikesw]

Oh no... I'm getting away from the accomplished goal of having you love me!!! I can provide many verses that say we are born again of God's spirit or that we are sealed with it or that we are filled with it. Is that what you're asking for?

"We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we have the spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.

The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ.The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam?The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian." Stephen full of Faith and Power (2000), p. 108 https://walking-by-the-spirit.com

If you read Romans 6, they were not quite freed from fleshly behavior. This it not talking with an absolutely clean cut from the flesh. The flesh will be still be around until a person physically dies, even if they are a real Christian. Worse, you expect a baby holy spirit to be birthed inside of you. You are finding an overoptimistic reading of scripture, especially for one who does not believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

 

[Runningman]

So that's where you experienced your hallucinations where you saw people "in the form of God".

??

No idea what you're taking about.

 

[Runningman]

If you read Romans 6, they were not quite freed from fleshly behavior. This it not talking with an absolutely clean cut from the flesh. The flesh will be still be around until a person physically dies, even if they are a real Christian. Worse, you expect a baby holy spirit to be birthed inside of you. You are finding an overoptimistic reading of scripture, especially for one who does not believe in the pre-existence of Christ.

Here we are again. What are you even talking about. Verses. Do it or stop your nonsense.

 

[mikesw]

Here we are again. What are you even talking about. Verses. Do it or stop your nonsense.

sorry. forgot you did not follow Peterlag's misunderstanding.

 

[Runningman]

sorry. forgot you did not follow Peterlag's misunderstanding.

Dude you said "Worse, you expect a baby holy spirit to be birthed inside of you" What is this?

 

[mikesw]

Dude you said "Worse, you expect a baby holy spirit to be birthed inside of you" What is this?

Peterlag said the holy spirit is born in him when he became a so-called Christian. You have to get the passage from him.

 

[synergy]

??

No idea what you're taking about.

You seriously don't know anything about all the hallucinogenic drugs that made their way through Vietnam, mainly because of the American troops. That explains how you hallucinated about people being "in the form of God".

 

[Runningman]

Peterlag said the holy spirit is born in him when he became a so-called Christian. You have to get the passage from him.

No idea what you're talking about still. Peter repeated word for word about being born again of Spirit and not the Holy Sprit being born. Maybe you should stop attacking Christians if you don't want all of us to form a resistance against you?

 

[Runningman]

You seriously don't know anything about all the hallucinogenic drugs that made their way through Vietnam, mainly because of the American troops. That explains how you hallucinated about people being "in the form of God".

Dude, what are you drinking? lol seriously. No drugs involved on my part.

 

[synergy]

Dude, what are you drinking? lol seriously. No drugs involved on my part.

Ok, no drugs. So I'm still waiting to know from you how anyone other than a Deity can be "in the form of God".

 

[Runningman]

Ok. So I'm still waiting to know from you how anyone other than a Deity can be "in the form of God".

For someone who has studied he Septuagint I am surprised you seem oblivious to all of the examples of that word for "form" being used in the sense of what is observable to the yes in perfect consistency. Then in the NT it being used of Jesus in Luke 9:29 to decribe him changing form. If the form of God means someone is God then in Luke 9:29 Jesus ceased being in the form of God.

 

[synergy]

For someone who has studied he Septuagint I am surprised you seem oblivious to all of the examples of that word for "form" being used in the sense of what is observable to the yes in perfect consistency.

Only a Deity can have the form of a Deity, unless you're hallucinating about it.

Then in the NT it being used of Jesus in Luke 9:29 to decribe him changing form. If the form of God means someone is God then in Luke 9:29 Jesus ceased being in the form of God.

How many humans have you seen being transfigured as Jesus was transfigured in Luke 9:29?

 

[mikesw]

No idea what you're talking about still. Peter repeated word for word about being born again of Spirit and not the Holy Sprit being born. Maybe you should stop attacking Christians if you don't want all of us to form a resistance against you?

The Lord is my protector even if you rise up against God and myself. Peter said the spirit is born inside of him. He does not even proclaim the Spirit of God and as such must have an unclean spirit.

 

[mikesw]

Only a Deity can have the form of a Deity, unless you're hallucinating about it.

How many humans have you seen being transfigured as Jesus was transfigured in Luke 9:29?

I figured those of the unitarian heresy would just have a few verses they found confusing and perhaps they would have shared common beliefs with Christians. The confusion over some verses could be natural. However, they try to change every teaching of scripture in very odd and unusual ways. That simply is illogical, unnatural, and unlikely to be correct.

 

[synergy]

I figured those of the unitarian heresy would just have a few verses they found confusing and perhaps they would have shared common beliefs with Christians. The confusion over some verses could be natural. However, they try to change every teaching of scripture in very odd and unusual ways. That simply is illogical, unnatural, and unlikely to be correct.

The only way their view can be true, at least to themselves, is if they're hallucinating. I have yet to receive any other valid reason why @Runningman interprets Phil 2:6 the way he does.