Runningman
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Who's DNA was used to get Mary pregnant then?
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Hmmm. Maybe God is able to provide whatever chromosomes he wants. The tracing of the bloodline is given through Mary's lineage since God is not limited to following Jewish preferences for identifying bloodline descent. God does surprising actions throughout scripture.
Titus
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You already told me it is Joseph's seed. Must be his DNA.
Sir, until you retract your error, I cannot be persuaded by any other argument you make.
Runningman
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Then why is Jesus descended from Joseph in Matthew 1? Just for fun to put it there?
He is not descended from Joseph in Matthew 1, only from Mary. Then Luke 3:23 shows that people thought he was descended from Joseph. So you miss the very basic stuff due to your focus on denying the divinity of Christ in the Godhead rather than understanding more of scripture.
Runningman
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Matthew 1:1-16 is the genealogy of Jesus through Joseph. This is pretty much standard across the board among theologians. You're one of the few deniers, but I guess it's because you have a horse in the race. Why not just stick with what the Bible says?
It does not say Joseph begat Jesus. The reason this happens is Joseph is not part of the bloodline of Jesus. You keep missing details like this.
Runningman
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Joseph is directly called the father of Jesus. Begotten is implied.
Luke 2
48And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
really? do you need scripture to say every time "Joseph, who is perceived as Jesus' father"? Maybe someone can create a bible that will fill in these details. Your interpretations lack continuity with scripture.
Later editing: A basic sense in reading a single writing is that a concept presented earlier still applies in subsequent context unless there is a clear reason to see this altered.
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Titus
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Two reasons Greek, and Jeconiah
definite article the is missing in Joseph's lineage.
No Messiah could come from Jeconiah.
Must come through King David.
You are wrong about Jesus and no amount of fable telling will make you right.
2 Timothy 4:4,
- and they will turn their ears away from truth, and be turned aside to fables
Runningman
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Oh ok, so if it's not said then it didn't happen. Since there is no statement about the Trinity in the Bible, why do you believe? Do you see how quickly you change positions based on the same criteria? Now you know why I brought this up.
Runningman
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So is God Jesus' Father? The very same genealogy says He is.
Titus
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Jesus has ONE Father. His Father is Spirit not flesh.
John 4:24,
- God is Spirit and His worshipers must worship Him in Spirit and in truth
I have no idea what your point is. I do not see where my point or criteria has changed. I said the point about Joseph being the perceived father of Jesus remains true even later when the text simply speaks of Joseph as Jesus' father.
civic
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Oops lol
I do give some consideration to the arguments of the Unitarians. However, their arguments always are convoluted when speaking against the passages that convey the divinity of Christ. I used to speak of passages that we use to gain our doctrines and then there are the throw-away verses that we do not pay attention to. I maybe have used that concept on the idea of whether we can lose eternal life--okay there is more to that debate than just that point. Anyhow, the situation seems to be that the Unitarians take the verses about the humanness of Jesus and discard all those about the divinity of Christ. Of course they just provide a different angle to these verses, but these never have been convincing. So it still appears that they discard such passages.
Overall then their arguments have not been sufficient to dissuade me from finding the divinity inherent and critical to the work of Christ in the Earth.
Overall then their arguments have not been sufficient to dissuade me from finding the divinity inherent and critical to the work of Christ in the Earth.
Runningman
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Then why are you here? You brought up the Trinity at one point or another and now it's a dark cloud that will never leave you alone. I guarantee.
i have no idea what you mean.
Runningman
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You have the burden of proving something from scripture that you can't. Sure you can make millions of argument but you don't actually have any real proof.
That is a stupid comment. The text is what we are trying to work with. It is the evidence. the recognition of the deity of Christ works as long as not controverted by a stronger argument. You just give an interpretation that convinces of nothing of the point your proclaim.
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