The Unitarian belief that Jesus is not God causes those who offer worship to the Father's Throne (where Jesus sits) to be guilty of idolatry.

[synergy]

That's the fallacy of equivocation. You're broadening the definition of common ways one refers to themselves to also include a claim to deity. It's obvious because people say "I am" all the time just to refer to themselves. You are hung up on a serious case of bias when Jesus didn't even say what God did in Exodus 3:14,15 nor is Jesus the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to Acts 3:13. I am under the impression you don't care what the Bible says. You have your beliefs and nothing will wrest you from them.

Question. If you found out you were wrong, would you change?

Lets take this step by step. Do you believe that Abraham saw Jesus as Jesus claimed he did?

 

[Runningman]

Lets take this step by step. Do you believe that Abraham saw Jesus as Jesus claimed he did?

Let's take this step by step. Firstly, Jesus didn't claim Abraham saw him. I am sure you have more questions. Please continue.

John 8
56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

 

[synergy]

Let's take this step by step. Firstly, Jesus didn't claim Abraham saw him. I am sure you have more questions. Please continue.

John 8
56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

For sure I have a question. Which Bible version are you quoting?

 

[Peterlag]

so God is not Spirit ?

Jesus said God is Spirit.

If you pray to God by default you are praying to Him as Spirit since Jesus said God is Spirit

The spirit I walk in is God's gift given to every Christian. I don't walk in The Spirit which is God.

 

[Peterlag]

Before I deal with anything else you stated, I'd like to recognize that I said mankind is born innocent. Innocence is neither good nor bad. Can you recognize that I stated that previously?

Adam and Eve were created. Adam and Eve were unique from us. We (man as he is currently) are born after their image. You nor I were ever created in the same manner that Adam and Eve were created. It is important to recognize this fact.

God literally breathed into Adam and Eve's physical bodies the very "breath of life". God didn't do this for us. We are born. It is requirement for us to be "born again" to experience a fully Spiritual condition.

Ezekiel deals with "Dead Bones".

Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

The Spirit of God comes to us in WORDS. The words of Jesus are spirit and they are life.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Such words impart knowledge to our Innocence.

Flesh certainly isn't Spiritual. It is animated in the life of the seed of the man and the seed of the women. Those two join to form life in their offspring. This is where doctrines such as Total Depravity are wrong. We are neither good nor bad when we are born. However, we are exposed to good and bad as soon as conception takes place in the joining of seeds. Some of those seeds are even genetically tainted with weakness associated with diseases. Diseases that rob the offspring of Adam and Eve of their full capabilities. (Physical genetic abnormalities.)

Our Innocence is lost in what we learn and ultimately practice. Jesus insisted that little children are precious in their Innocence.

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

There is also a Spiritual battle for the minds of men throughout their lives between Satan, the faithful and God/Jesus Christ. Jesus defeated death hell and the grave for us.

Do you agree? No one has to accept the teachings of Total Depravity. I will say that many Protestants do believe in Total Depravity. Currently, most Catholics do not.

Before I deal with anything else you stated, I'd like to recognize that I do not believe mankind is born innocent. I believe all humans after Adam are born with a sin nature.

 

[Runningman]

For sure I have a question. Which Bible version are you quoting?

NIV for John 8:56

 

[MTMattie]

Imagery to describe what Moses experienced as usual. God is in invisible Spirit without human hands, just on the other hand is a human with human hands. God isn't served by those. Therefore Jesus isn't God and man. Case closed as far as I am concerned.

What bible is it that you follow again please?

Is it not God's Word Translation?????????????

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[MTMattie]

For sure I have a question. Which Bible version are you quoting?

Pretty sure it is God's Word Translation.

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[MTMattie]

Let's take this step by step. Firstly, Jesus didn't claim Abraham saw him. I am sure you have more questions. Please continue.

John 8
56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

From the God's Word Translation (link below this)

56 Your father Abraham was pleased to see that my day was coming. He saw it and was happy."

Such a twisted play on words.... the reader is free to understand what they wish, and if guided by a teacher.... LOOK OUT

 

[MTMattie]

NIV for John 8:56

As our Brother @Behold recently said....

Corrupted bibles are Devil inspired works.

People believe the "queen James bible" for Homosexuals is a terrible situation, and it is, but so is the NIV., and that bible is the #1 Seller.
And that bible causes more doctrinal-theological errors then most other bad bibles, combined.

I would imagine that over 70% of the people on this Forum, use an NIV, and that is why they are confused, and can't understand what they need to know, as that one bible, is one of Satan's finest tools.

John 8:56 NIV ~ 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

John 8:56 GWT ~ 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

 

[Peterlag]

What bible is it that you follow again please?

Is it not God's Word Translation?????????????

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I looked at the Bible translation that you posted. I went to just one verse. Galatians 2:20 and saw this...

I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live I live by believing in God's Son, who loved me and took the punishment for my sins.

The verse starts out by saying it's not me, but Christ. And then it goes on to say in the KJV that I live by him, by the faith of him, by his faith. The Bible you quote changes the faith of Jesus Christ to I believe in Jesus and thereby wiping Christ right out of the picture. It no longer is about Jesus Christ. It's now about Paul and what he believes.

 

[synergy]

NIV for John 8:56

So what did Abraham see that meant that Jesus was now a chronological age that no human could ever possibly reach?

 

[civic]

So what did Abraham see that meant that Jesus was now a chronological age that no human could ever possibly reach?

Amazing how many scriptures are denied to explain away Christs pre existence

 

[synergy]

Amazing how many scriptures are denied to explain away Christs pre existence

Unitarians are novices of the Bible, stumbling over and kicking verses out of their way in order to appease their judaizing god.

 

[civic]

Unitarians are novices of the Bible, stumbling over and kicking verses out of their way in order to appease their judaizing god.

It’s presuppositions and bias being demonstrated which is eisegesis. I have yet to see any exegesis being displayed

 

[synergy]

It’s presuppositions and bias being demonstrated which is eisegesis. I have yet to see any exegesis being displayed

Did you read the latest wacky Unitarian interpretation of where they claim that no prayers were offered to Jesus in Rev 5:8 but that the elders and creatures fell down thus spilling their prayer bowls. I get bursts of laughter now and then just thinking about how bumbling and hapless unitarians make the elders and creatures out to be.

Revelation 5:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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[civic]

Did you read the latest wacky Unitarian interpretation of where they claim that no prayers were offered to Jesus in Rev 5:8 but that the elders and creatures fell down thus spilling their prayer bowls. I get bursts of laughter now and then just thinking about how bumbling and hapless unitarians make the elders and creatures out to be.

Revelation 5:8 (NASB 2020) — 8 When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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It’s bold De Nile whether it’s on purpose and intentional or it’s truly being deceived. The thing is when one is really deceived about a doctrine and with all their hearth believes it’s true they defend it passionately, I know I did with tulip for years. If it can happen to a believer it can happen to an unbeliever for sure. Religious and man made beliefs can be very blinding when reading the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

What bible is it that you follow again please?

Is it not God's Word Translation?????????????

Read the GOD'S WORD Translation Free Online

Search and read Bible verses using the popular GW translation. Take notes online, highlight verses and save notes!

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I don't follow any one particular Bible, though I normally quote from the NIV or KJV. The GWT I normally avoid, except for the John 1:14 verse which directly calls the Word a thing.

 

[Runningman]

From the God's Word Translation (link below this)

56 Your father Abraham was pleased to see that my day was coming. He saw it and was happy."

Such a twisted play on words.... the reader is free to understand what they wish, and if guided by a teacher.... LOOK OUT

Jesus never claimed Abraham saw him. He said Abraham saw his day.

Now, Mattie, when was Jesus' day?

 

[Runningman]

As our Brother @Behold recently said....




John 8:56 NIV ~ 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

John 8:56 GWT ~ 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

Oh, you're one of those who ignore it when all of your Trinitarian friends quote a variety of Bibles but when I quote the same Bibles they do you argue. Ok. So, according to you, which Bible is the "correct" Bible?