I am that I am - The angel of the Lord

[TomL]

Exodus 3:2–15 (KJV 1900) — 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt. 11 And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt? 12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh

 

[civic]

Exodus 3:2–15 (KJV 1900) — 2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. 3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. 4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. 5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. 6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. 7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9 Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel is come unto me: and I have also seen the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. 10 Come now therefore, and I will send thee unto Pharaoh, that thou mayest bring forth my people the children of Israel out of Egypt. 11 And Moses said unto God, Who am I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the children of Israel out of Egypt? 12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this shall be a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. 13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh

I mean cmon anyone who reads that passage as if it was the first time with no presuppositions would know the angel of the Lord is YHWH

 

[TomL]

I mean cmon anyone who reads that passage as if it was the first time with no presuppositions would know the angel of the Lord is YHWH

Amen

 

[mikesw]

That last verse says quite a bit

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

The angel of the Lord has the name The LORD God.

 

[TomL]

That last verse says quite a bit

The angel of the Lord has the name The LORD God.

Yahweh Elohim

 

[Johann]

That last verse says quite a bit

The angel of the Lord has the name The LORD God.

Ehyeh (אהיה) Asher (אשר) Ehyeh (אהיה)?

J.

 

[TomL]

Ehyeh (אהיה) Asher (אשר) Ehyeh (אהיה)?

J.

I am that I am

 

[Johann]

The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh

The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh."

Breakdown of the Hebrew Terms:
"The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh":

מַלְאַךְ-יְהוָה (Mal'akh YHWH) – "The angel of the LORD," where מַלְאַךְ (Mal'akh) means "messenger" or "angel," and יְהוָה (YHWH) is the tetragrammaton, the sacred name of God.
"The God of your father":

אֱלֹהֵי אָבִיךָ (Elohei avikha) – "The God of your father," referring to God as the God of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). אֱלֹהֵי (Elohei) is the possessive form of אֱלֹהִים (Elohim), often translated as "God" or "God's."
"The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob":

These titles identify God by His covenant relationship with the patriarchs, as used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.
"Elohim Yahweh":

אֱלֹהִים יְהוָה (Elohim YHWH) is not a common title in the Bible, but it would translate as "God Yahweh" or "Yahweh God." The phrase Elohim is used for God in the plural form (sometimes interpreted as a plural of majesty, signifying the fullness of God's nature), while YHWH is the personal name of God. While this combination of terms is rare, it would still point to the same concept of God's divine identity.
Key Scriptural Reference:
Exodus 3:6 (Hebrew):
וַיֹּאמֶר אֲנִי אֱלֹהֵי אָבִיךָ אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב
"I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."

In this passage, the angel of the LORD speaks directly as God, using the divine title Elohei (God of). This establishes the divine identity of the angel, connecting the angel of the LORD with YHWH, the God of the patriarchs.

The statement "The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh" captures the essence of what is happening in the text, but the phrase "Elohim Yahweh" is not a standard biblical phrase.

Exo 3:6 Moreover He said, I am Elohei Avicha, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya'akov. And Moshe hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon HaElohim.

Instead, the text uses Elohei avikha ("the God of your father") to emphasize that the angel of the LORD identifies Himself as the same God who revealed Himself to the patriarchs. The angel of the LORD is indeed called God, and in these instances, He speaks and acts as YHWH, the God of Israel.

"Slight" correction @TomL -nothing serious.

J.

 

[Johann]

I am that I am

That name/title is not the [Definite Article] Malack.

Elohei avikha ("the God of your father") to emphasize that the angel of the LORD identifies Himself as the same God who revealed Himself to the patriarchs.

Exo 3:6 Moreover He said, I am Elohei Avicha, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya'akov. And Moshe hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon HaElohim.

J.

 

[TomL]

The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh."

Breakdown of the Hebrew Terms:
"The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh":

מַלְאַךְ-יְהוָה (Mal'akh YHWH) – "The angel of the LORD," where מַלְאַךְ (Mal'akh) means "messenger" or "angel," and יְהוָה (YHWH) is the tetragrammaton, the sacred name of God.
"The God of your father":

אֱלֹהֵי אָבִיךָ (Elohei avikha) – "The God of your father," referring to God as the God of the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). אֱלֹהֵי (Elohei) is the possessive form of אֱלֹהִים (Elohim), often translated as "God" or "God's."
"The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob":

These titles identify God by His covenant relationship with the patriarchs, as used throughout the Hebrew Scriptures.
"Elohim Yahweh":

אֱלֹהִים יְהוָה (Elohim YHWH) is not a common title in the Bible, but it would translate as "God Yahweh" or "Yahweh God." The phrase Elohim is used for God in the plural form (sometimes interpreted as a plural of majesty, signifying the fullness of God's nature), while YHWH is the personal name of God. While this combination of terms is rare, it would still point to the same concept of God's divine identity.
Key Scriptural Reference:
Exodus 3:6 (Hebrew):
וַיֹּאמֶר אֲנִי אֱלֹהֵי אָבִיךָ אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב
"I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob."

In this passage, the angel of the LORD speaks directly as God, using the divine title Elohei (God of). This establishes the divine identity of the angel, connecting the angel of the LORD with YHWH, the God of the patriarchs.

The statement "The Messenger (angel) of Yahweh is called God, the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, Elohim Yahweh" captures the essence of what is happening in the text, but the phrase "Elohim Yahweh" is not a standard biblical phrase.

Exo 3:6 Moreover He said, I am Elohei Avicha, Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak, and Elohei Ya'akov. And Moshe hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon HaElohim.

Instead, the text uses Elohei avikha ("the God of your father") to emphasize that the angel of the LORD identifies Himself as the same God who revealed Himself to the patriarchs. The angel of the LORD is indeed called God, and in these instances, He speaks and acts as YHWH, the God of Israel.

"Slight" correction @TomL -nothing serious.

J.

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Where?

 

[Johann]

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Where?

nowhere-no problem.

J.

 

[TomL]

nowhere-no problem.

J.

OK. According to the translations, the absence of the definite article does not necessarily make the word indefinite.

 

[101G]

to all,
the angel of the LORD/Lord is not God in any kind of manifestation as a theophany. that is NONESENSE. when Abraham sent Hagar away because of Sarai's mistrust. the angel of the LORD found and converse with Hagar in the wilderness.
The Angel of the LORD.
Genesis 16:7 "And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur." Genesis 16:8 "And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai." Genesis 16:9 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands." Genesis 16:10 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude." (NOTE THAT). Genesis 16:11 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction." (NOTE THAT). Genesis 16:12 "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

First why did the angel of the LORD had to Find her, (Hagar), is not God Omi-present? second, Why not say I have heard thy affliction, and not , "The LORD hath hear thy affliction?". this clearly show that the angel of the LORD is not God. but what about the angel of the LORD when he spoke to Abraham from heaven when he told Abraham not to slay his ONLY begotten son? and many other occasion when the Angle of the LORD speaks on behalf of God. for was it not God who commanded Abraham to go to the place where he, (God), wanted Abraham to sacrifice his son? Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

Now, NT interesting events recorded. Jude 1:9 "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." is Michael the archangel God the Lord? of course NOT. for angels are created creatures. but note this in the Name. The name Michael means. The biblical meaning of the name Michael is significant within Christian theology. Michael is portrayed as a powerful archangel who serves as a warrior and protector against evil forces. The name itself means “Who is like God” in Hebrew, reflecting his divine nature and unwavering loyalty to God’s will. as in Jude he speaks for God.

now this, the angel Gabriel sent to John the Baptist father. Luke 1:19 "And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings."
here Gabriel STAND IN THE PRESENCE of, of, of, GOD. he is the Angel of, of, of, God. also as Michael the archangel. and Gabriel Name meaning, "God is my strength" or "mighty one," testified to the all-powerful God who was about to deliver His people from the of captivity.

here these two angels are Just an example of them speaking on God behalf. Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered."

clearly the angel of the Lord is not God. Genesis 24:7 "The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence." or Exodus 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared." Exodus 23:21 "Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." Exodus 23:22 "But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries." (READB THAT AGAIN). Exodus 23:23 "For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off." NOW COMPARE, Exodus 13:5 "And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month."

STOP THE PRESS, "the LORD shall bring thee into the LAND? but was it not the Angel of the Lord who brought them into the Land, and the Land is the same identical land. check it out.

so, the angel of the LORD/Lord is not God, but stand in for God.

101G.

 

[TomL]

to all,
the angel of the LORD/Lord is not God in any kind of manifestation as a theophany. that is NONESENSE. when Abraham sent Hagar away because of Sarai's mistrust. the angel of the LORD found and converse with Hagar in the wilderness.
The Angel of the LORD.
Genesis 16:7 "And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur." Genesis 16:8 "And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai." Genesis 16:9 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands." Genesis 16:10 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude." (NOTE THAT). Genesis 16:11 "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction." (NOTE THAT). Genesis 16:12 "And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

First why did the angel of the LORD had to Find her, (Hagar), is not God Omi-present? second, Why not say I have heard thy affliction, and not , "The LORD hath hear thy affliction?". this clearly show that the angel of the LORD is not God. but what about the angel of the LORD when he spoke to Abraham from heaven when he told Abraham not to slay his ONLY begotten son? and many other occasion when the Angle of the LORD speaks on behalf of God. for was it not God who commanded Abraham to go to the place where he, (God), wanted Abraham to sacrifice his son? Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am." Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."

Now, NT interesting events recorded. Jude 1:9 "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee." is Michael the archangel God the Lord? of course NOT. for angels are created creatures. but note this in the Name. The name Michael means. The biblical meaning of the name Michael is significant within Christian theology. Michael is portrayed as a powerful archangel who serves as a warrior and protector against evil forces. The name itself means “Who is like God” in Hebrew, reflecting his divine nature and unwavering loyalty to God’s will. as in Jude he speaks for God.

now this, the angel Gabriel sent to John the Baptist father. Luke 1:19 "And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings."
here Gabriel STAND IN THE PRESENCE of, of, of, GOD. he is the Angel of, of, of, God. also as Michael the archangel. and Gabriel Name meaning, "God is my strength" or "mighty one," testified to the all-powerful God who was about to deliver His people from the of captivity.

here these two angels are Just an example of them speaking on God behalf. Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered."

clearly the angel of the Lord is not God. Genesis 24:7 "The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence." or Exodus 23:20 "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared." Exodus 23:21 "Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him." Exodus 23:22 "But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries." (READB THAT AGAIN). Exodus 23:23 "For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off." NOW COMPARE, Exodus 13:5 "And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month."

STOP THE PRESS, "the LORD shall bring thee into the LAND? but was it not the Angel of the Lord who brought them into the Land, and the Land is the same identical land. check it out.

so, the angel of the LORD/Lord is not God, but stand in for God.

101G.

You ignore text to support your theology

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

 

[101G]

You ignore text to support your theology

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

next, will not be moved from scripture

101G

 

[TomL]

next, will not be moved from scripture

101G

You addressed nothing

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

BTW in addressing the appearance of the angel of the Lord to Hagar you left off this

Genesis 16:7–13 (LEB) — 7 And the angel of Yahweh found her at a spring of water in the wilderness, at the spring by the road of Shur. 8 And he said to Hagar, the female slave of Sarai, “From where have you come, and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of Sarai my mistress.” 9 Then the angel of Yahweh said to her, “Return to your mistress and submit yourself under her authority.” 10 And the angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly multiply your offspring, so that they cannot be counted for their abundance.” 11 And the angel of Yahweh said to her: “Behold, you are pregnant and shall have a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, for Yahweh has listened to your suffering. 12 And he shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him, and he will live in hostility with all his brothers.” 13 So she called the name of Yahweh who spoke to her, “You are El-Roi,” for she said, “Here I have seen after he who sees me.”

 

[101G]

You addressed nothing

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

BTW in addressing the appearance of the angel of the Lord to Hagar you left off this

Genesis 16:7–13 (LEB) — 7 And the angel of Yahweh found her at a spring of water in the wilderness, at the spring by the road of Shur. 8 And he said to Hagar, the female slave of Sarai, “From where have you come, and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of Sarai my mistress.” 9 Then the angel of Yahweh said to her, “Return to your mistress and submit yourself under her authority.” 10 And the angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly multiply your offspring, so that they cannot be counted for their abundance.” 11 And the angel of Yahweh said to her: “Behold, you are pregnant and shall have a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, for Yahweh has listened to your suffering. 12 And he shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him, and he will live in hostility with all his brothers.” 13 So she called the name of Yahweh who spoke to her, “You are El-Roi,” for she said, “Here I have seen after he who sees me.”

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[TomL]

You ignore text to support your theology

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

BTW in quoting ex 23:20 you left this off

Exodus 23:20–21 (LEB) — 20 “ ‘Look, I am about to send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21 Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, because he will not forgive your transgression, for my name is in him.

The name of YHWH is in him

It is the Angel of the Lord which appeared in the cloud and the fire



Exodus 14:19–20 (KJV 1900) — 19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: 20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness to them, but it gave light by night to these: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Yet it is stated the presence of YHWH will go with them

Exodus 33:11–17 (LEB) — 11 And Yahweh would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his neighbor. And he would return to the camp, and his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not leave the middle of the tent. 12 And Moses said to Yahweh, “See, you are saying to me, ‘Take this people up.’ But you have not let me know whom you will send with me, and you yourself have said, ‘I know you by name, and you also have found favor in my eyes.’ 13 And now if I have found favor in your eyes, make known to me, please, your way, and so I may know you so that I can find favor in your eyes. And see that this nation is your people.” 14 And he said, “My presence will go, and I will give you rest.” 15 And he said to him, “If your presence is not going, do not bring us up from here. 16 And by what will it be known then that I have found favor in your eyes, I and your people? Is it not by your going with us? And so we will be distinguished, I and your people, from all the people who are on the face of the ground.” 17 And Yahweh said to Moses, “Also I will do this thing that you have spoken, because you have found favor in my eyes and I have known you by name.”

Exo 13:21, 22

Exodus 13:21–22 (LEB) — 21 And Yahweh was going before them by day in a column of cloud to lead them on the way and by night in a column of fire to give light to them to go by day and night. 22 The column of cloud by day and the column of fire by night did not depart from before the people.

 

[civic]

You addressed nothing

Genesis 35:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 And God said unto Jacob, Arise, go up to Beth-el, and dwell there: and make there an altar unto God, that appeared unto thee when thou fleddest from the face of Esau thy brother. 2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: 3 And let us arise, and go up to Beth-el; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.

That God was the angel of the Lord

Genesis 31:11–13 (KJV 1900) — 11 And the angel of God spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lift up now thine eyes, and see, all the rams which leap upon the cattle are ringstraked, speckled, and grisled: for I have seen all that Laban doeth unto thee. 13 I am the God of Beth-el, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred.

Genesis 28:18–22 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19 And he called the name of that place Beth-el: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21 So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God: 22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

BTW in addressing the appearance of the angel of the Lord to Hagar you left off this

Genesis 16:7–13 (LEB) — 7 And the angel of Yahweh found her at a spring of water in the wilderness, at the spring by the road of Shur. 8 And he said to Hagar, the female slave of Sarai, “From where have you come, and where are you going?” And she said, “I am fleeing from the presence of Sarai my mistress.” 9 Then the angel of Yahweh said to her, “Return to your mistress and submit yourself under her authority.” 10 And the angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly multiply your offspring, so that they cannot be counted for their abundance.” 11 And the angel of Yahweh said to her: “Behold, you are pregnant and shall have a son. And you shall call his name Ishmael, for Yahweh has listened to your suffering. 12 And he shall be a wild donkey of a man, his hand will be against everyone, and the hand of everyone will be against him, and he will live in hostility with all his brothers.” 13 So she called the name of Yahweh who spoke to her, “You are El-Roi,” for she said, “Here I have seen after he who sees me.”

Yes he is still doing the dance move called the twist. Twisting scripture

 

[TomL]

Yes he is still doing the dance move called the twist. Twisting scripture

And it's more than last summer. Older folks will understand this