The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[JesusFan]

Perhaps, but that does not mean the Jews thought he was God. The Jewish people would have thought Jesus was insane had he walked around saying he was God. But he was a threat to walk around saying he was the Messiah.

The High priest knew He was claiming to be a divine Messiah

 

[Peterlag]

The High priest knew He was claiming to be a divine Messiah

There's no verse that says the High Priest knew he was claiming to be a divine Messiah.

 

[Peterlag]

Now get this... Jesus really was looking for a way out of this...

Jesus prayed to God “not my will, but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.

 

[mikesw]

Now get this... Jesus really was looking for a way out of this...

Jesus prayed to God “not my will, but yours, be done” because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.” Trinitarian doctrine claims that Luke is referring to the human will of Jesus, and not his divine will, but that is problematic because the Bible never says anything like that or even hints that Jesus had two wills in conflict with each other inside him allowing one to be human and the other to be divine.

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if the Father was incarnate, he too would have had a will concerning his flesh. Duhhhh. Not sure why unitarians cannot figure out the situation reasonably. All they can come out with are meaningless memes.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is called God in the Bible...

Elohim is translated into Greek as Theos. Now let's look at how the word "Theos" is used in the Greek.

Exodus 21:6
Then his master shall bring him before Theos; and shall bring him to the door, or unto the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.
"Theos refers to human judges."

Exodus 22:8
If the thief is not found, then the master of the house shall be brought before Theos, to see whether he has laid his hand on his neighbor’s goods.
"Men judging in a legal court."

Exodus 22:9
For every matter of trespass, the cause of both parties shall come before Theos; and whom Theos condemns, he shall pay double to his neighbor.
"Human authority issuing judgment."

Psalm 82:6
I said, you are Theoi, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
"Theoi is the plural of Theos and here it is spoken to men who are mortal rulers."

Psalm 82:1
Theos stands in the assembly of Theoi; he judges in the midst of the Theoi.
"Rulers judging rulers."

Now look at the same verses in Hebrew.

Exodus 21:6
Then his master shall bring him unto the Elohim; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.
"Human judges with legal authority."

Exodus 22:8
If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the Elohim, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour’s goods.
"Court setting with men judging."

Exodus 22:9
For all manner of trespass, the cause of both parties shall come before the Elohim; and whom the Elohim shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.
"Men judging disputes."

Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are Elohim; and all of you are children of the Most High.
"Mortal human rulers."

Psalm 82:1
Elohim standeth in the congregation of Elohim; he judgeth among the Elohim.
"Rulers judging rulers."

Elohim equals Theos.
Both words apply to men.
Both function as titles of authority.

cc: @Runningman

 

[mikesw]

Jesus is called God in the Bible...

Elohim is translated into Greek as Theos. Now let's look at how the word "Theos" is used in the Greek.

Exodus 21:6
Then his master shall bring him before Theos; and shall bring him to the door, or unto the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.

This does not say men are God. Maybe you want to say "bring him to the gods"?

"Theos refers to human judges."

The verse best expresses taking the slave to the temple and this perhaps to make a solemn declaration.

Exodus 22:8
If the thief is not found, then the master of the house shall be brought before Theos, to see whether he has laid his hand on his neighbor’s goods.
"Men judging in a legal court."

ESV says "shall come near to God"

Exodus 22:9
For every matter of trespass, the cause of both parties shall come before Theos; and whom Theos condemns, he shall pay double to his neighbor.
"Human authority issuing judgment."

Psalm 82:6
I said, you are Theoi, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
"Theoi is the plural of Theos and here it is spoken to men who are mortal rulers."

haha. This is speaking of these men being judged as evil even though God has exalted them. A very fine example of unitarian desperation.

Psalm 82:1
Theos stands in the assembly of Theoi; he judges in the midst of the Theoi.
"Rulers judging rulers."

Now look at the same verses in Hebrew.

Exodus 21:6
Then his master shall bring him unto the Elohim; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.
"Human judges with legal authority."

ESV says "then his master shall bring him to God"
This does not say men are God. Maybe you want to say "bring him to the gods"?

Exodus 22:8
If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the Elohim, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour’s goods.
"Court setting with men judging."

ESV says "shall come near to God"

Exodus 22:9
For all manner of trespass, the cause of both parties shall come before the Elohim; and whom the Elohim shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.
"Men judging disputes."

Again, I think the unitarian wants to say the parties will go before the gods.

Psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are Elohim; and all of you are children of the Most High.
"Mortal human rulers."

haha. This is speaking of these men being judged as evil even though God has exalted them. A very fine example of unitarian desperation.

Psalm 82:1
Elohim standeth in the congregation of Elohim; he judgeth among the Elohim.
"Rulers judging rulers."

Elohim equals Theos.
Both words apply to men.
Both function as titles of authority.

cc: @Runningman

So, for the unitarian, this means in John 1:1 that the Word with with man and the Word was man. That seems like a wonderful unitarian discovery. Not!!!