The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[Alter2Ego]

Hebrews 1:8-12.

But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
10 He also says,

I've got news for you, civic. You are reading from a Trinitarian Bible where the translators deliberately manipulated scripture. Where it says "Your throne, O God," that's with reference to Jehovah, not Jesus. It was cross-quoted from Isaiah 45-6. Notice below.


"{6} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. {7} Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Isaiah 45:6-7 -- King James Bible)

Psalm 45 KJV

 

[mikesw]

I've got news for you, civic. You are reading from a Trinitarian Bible where the translators deliberately manipulated scripture. Where it says "Your throne, O God," that's with reference to Jehovah, not Jesus. It was cross-quoted from Isaiah 45-6. Notice below.


"{6} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. {7} Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Isaiah 45:6-7 -- King James Bible)

Psalm 45 KJV

How do you determine which translation is better? It seems Alter2Ego automatically prefers passages that seem weaker in pointing out the deity of Christ. That hardly holds any weight over against the broad testimony of the deity of Christ across the scriptures. It is only an application of the approach of deny, deny, deny.

 

[Peterlag]

The Bible, not Google, contains the truth necessary for salvation.

As Doug stated

Again, you only read what you want to hear. The Word (Logos) was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The Word was not just His thoughts, ideas, etc. The Word was GOD! And the Word became flesh in the man we know as Jesus.

God and Google understand math, logic, and reason. God, Me, and Google are not about confusion and chaos.

 

[TomL]

God and Google understand math, logic, and reason. God, Me, and Google are not about confusion and chaos.

Google is not a match for God

Once again

The Bible, not Google, contains the truth necessary for salvation.

As Doug stated

Again, you only read what you want to hear. The Word (Logos) was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The Word was not just His thoughts, ideas, etc. The Word was GOD! And the Word became flesh in the man we know as Jesus.

 

[TomL]

TomL:

Jesus existed as a spirit person prior to his spirit life being transferred into the womb of the virgin named Mary, true. All of the thousands of angels exist in the form of God because just like Jehovah God, they are spirit persons.

So

John 1:1–5 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Jesus created all things

Colossians 1:16–17 (NASB 95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

PS where does scripture speak of the angels created by him as existing in the form of God

 

[TomL]

TomL:

You shot yourself in the foot when you quoted that verse. Look at the portion that I bolded in red. It says right there in plain English that Jesus, despite existing in the form of God they were NOT equal. Remember, according to Christendom's Trinity, the Father, Son, and God's holy spirit are three persons that are CO-EQUAL.

BTW: Jesus and God and all of the angels are spirit persons. That's what the scripture is saying when it says Jesus "existed in the form of God."

Not at all

John 5:18 (NASB 95) — 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 (NASB 95) — 23 so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 10:30 (NASB 95) — 30 I and the Father are one.”

John 12:45 (NASB 95) — 45 He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me.

John 14:9 (NASB 95) — 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Colossians 1:15 (NASB 95) — 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Colossians 2:9 (NASB 95) — 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB 95) — 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

 

[TomL]

That's false, civic. Jesus didn't create anything. Jehovah God is the power behind creation and simply worked through Jesus. Scripture says the only Creator is God the Father.

False

John 1:1–3 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Heb 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
Hebrews 1:8–11 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.” 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,

Colossians 1:16–17 (NASB 95) — 16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

 

[TomL]

I've got news for you, civic. You are reading from a Trinitarian Bible where the translators deliberately manipulated scripture. Where it says "Your throne, O God," that's with reference to Jehovah, not Jesus. It was cross-quoted from Isaiah 45-6. Notice below.


"{6} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. {7} Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Isaiah 45:6-7 -- King James Bible)

Psalm 45 KJV

Hebrews 1:8–14 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. 9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS.” 10 And, “YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS; 11 THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT, 12 AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END.” 13 But to which of the angels has He ever said, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET”? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation?

 

[TomL]

I've got news for you, civic. You are reading from a Trinitarian Bible where the translators deliberately manipulated scripture. Where it says "Your throne, O God," that's with reference to Jehovah, not Jesus. It was cross-quoted from Isaiah 45-6. Notice below.


"{6} Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. {7} Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." (Isaiah 45:6-7 -- King James Bible)

Psalm 45 KJV

Hebrews 1:8
1599GB But unto the Son he saith,6 O God, thy throne is forever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a scepter of righteousness.
DARBY but as to the Son, Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age, and a sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
ASV but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
AMP But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness).
BBE But of the Son he says, Your seat of power, O God, is for ever and ever; and the rod of your kingdom is a rod of righteousness.
CSB but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
CEB But he says to his Son, God, your throne is forever and your kingdom’s scepter is a rod of justice.
CJB but to the Son, he says, “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever; you rule your Kingdom with a scepter of equity;
CEV But God says about his Son, “You are God, and you will rule as King forever! Your royal power brings about justice.
D-R But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
EOB: NT but of the Son he says: Your throne O God is unto ages of ages! The scepter of justice is the scepter of your Kingdom.
ESV But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
GW But God said about his Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
GNB About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God, will last for ever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
HCSB but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
HBCONTCV But to the Son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
HB:ERV But this is what he said about his Son: “God, your kingdom will last forever and ever. You use your authority for justice.
EHV But about the Son he says: God, your throne is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
KJV But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
ISV But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a righteous scepter.
KJV 1900 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
KJV (WS) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
LEB but concerning the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of righteous is the scepter of your kingdom.
MNT but to the son he saith, “God is thy throne for ever and ever; the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of equity.
MSG But he says to the Son, You’re God, and on the throne for good; your rule makes everything right.
MEV But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, lasts forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
MLB:BV but as to the Son, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Thy kingdom is a scepter of righteousness.
MNT he says of the Son, ‘God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity:
NET but of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
NABRE but of the Son: “Your throne, O God, stands forever and ever; and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
NASB But of the Son He says, “THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
NASB95 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
NCV But God said this about his Son: “God, your throne will last forever and ever. You will rule your kingdom with fairness.
NEB but of the Son, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, and the sceptre of justice is the sceptre of his kingdom.
NIrV But here is what he says about the Son. “You are God. Your throne will last for ever and ever. Your kingdom will be ruled by what is right.
NIV84 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
NIV But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
NJB but to the Son he says: Your throne, God, is for ever and ever; and: the sceptre of his kingdom is a sceptre of justice;
NKJV But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
NLT But to the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. You rule with a scepter of justice.
NRSV But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
Phillips But when he speaks of the Son, he says: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
NTMS:ITEETRGT but of His Son, He says, “THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND FOR EVER, AND THE SCEPTRE OF THY KINGDOM IS A SCEPTRE OF ABSOLUTE JUSTICE.
NT:TOG But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is from age to age: a scepter of rectitude is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Tyndale 1536 But unto the sone he saith: God/thy seate shal be for ever and ever: The cepter of thy kyngdome is a ryght cepter.
TPT But about his Son, he called him “God,” saying, “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever and you will rule your kingdom with justice and righteousness,
REB but of the Son: Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever, and the sceptre of his kingdom is the sceptre of justice.
RSV But of the Son he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
SCNTE but to the Son, Thy throne, God, is being unto age of the age: and the staff of the straightness is the staff of thy kingdom.
SNTTEP But of the Son he said: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
TNIV But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
YLT and unto the Son: ‘Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign;

 

[Peterlag]

Google is not a match for God

Once again

The Bible, not Google, contains the truth necessary for salvation.

As Doug stated

Again, you only read what you want to hear. The Word (Logos) was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The Word was not just His thoughts, ideas, etc. The Word was GOD! And the Word became flesh in the man we know as Jesus.

Only a fool would argue against Math and Science and then say it's a mystery and not to be understood.

 

[Peterlag]

Many never come up with a teaching on the doctrine of the trinity but say... oh we showed it to you already, or you must not be able to see it, or you need the spirit to see it, or it's too hard for humans to see it because it's a mystery.​

Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there.

 

[FreeInChrist]

The question is too stupid for me to answer. Nobody exist until they are born.

When was God born?

When was the beginning?

What happened before the incarnation of Jesus?

Who was considered the Messiah in OT times?

How did this Messiah come into being?

How were the angels born?

Nobody exist until they are born.

How does it happen?
Adam existed and he was not born.
Eve existed and she was not born.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
and they were not born.

When it was decided that the Word would come to earth in the for of flesh, a WOMAN was selected so He could be born?

You do not know the difference and I want these questions answered and not with a dismissive answer like you saying "The question is too stupid for me to answer."

For this tells us you simply cannot because you have no clue and you cannot understand what you read in the 66 books of Holy Scripture.

 

[Doug Brents]

The question is too stupid for me to answer. Nobody exist until they are born.

That is true for normal humans. But Scripture says that Jesus existed before He was born. He has always existed (John 1:1, John 8:58, Col 1:15-17, John 17:5, 1 Cor 10:4, Mic 5:2).

 

[civic]

That's false, civic. Jesus didn't create anything. Jehovah God is the power behind creation and simply worked through Jesus. Scripture says the only Creator is God the Father.

"This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?" (Isaiah 44:24 -- New World Translation)

https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Isaiah+44%3A24&link=%2Fresults%2FE%2Fbible%3Fsort%3Drel%26q%3D

"Thus says Yahweh, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone," (Isaiah 44:24 -- Legacy Standard Bible)

Isaiah 44 Legacy Standard Bible

As a matter of fact, Jesus was created by Jehovah.

Colossians 1:15​

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;"

Som many errors above.

1- prototokos means first/pre-eminent so Jesus was the first one glorified.
2- Hebrews 12:23 uses rthe same word. to the congregation of the firstborn The term "firstborn" signifies preeminence and inheritance rights, as seen in the Old Testament with figures like Esau and Jacob. In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as the "firstborn over all creation" (Colossians 1:15), indicating His supremacy. The "congregation of the firstborn" refers to the church, those who are in Christ and share in His inheritance. This echoes the idea of believers being co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17).
3- The Son was before all things just like the Father and created all things like the Father, in THEM all things exists. The Son holds all created things together, impossible for any man unless that man is God

Col 1:16-17
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

We see above that creation of all things(panta- no exceptions and is all inclusive) were made by Him and solely for Him. They were created for His good pleasure. And without Him nothing was made that was made(see John 1:1-3).

Also since we see He is before all things created then logic and reason dictates that He is Eternal and not part of any creation. He is distinct and separate from created as the Creator.

Here we see that Paul completely exhausts the creation categories:

1)all things created
2)things in heaven
3)things in the earth
4) things visible
5)things invisible
6)thrones,dominions,rulers,authorities
7)the above mentioned things rule out any exceptions

Now we also see from the Apostle Paul that He(Christ) is BEFORE all things and that all things in Him subsist or are held together.

Now tell me Who other than the Almighty God known as YHWH is before all things, created all things and holds the very universe together?

The answer none but God. And Paul tells us in the context that Jesus is the very image of the invisible God. He made the unknown known, the invisible God became visible in the flesh. This is the Incarnation where we see in Christ God was manifest in the flesh. God became man as John's prologue so eloquently spells out in verses 1-18.

So can you like the Author of Hebrews, Paul, Thomas, Peter and John confess Jesus is your God, your Creator?

Angels were created as per Colossians 1:16-17 below who are the created angels , the principalities and powers with rank and order below. And we know only God created them and has the power over them. And Christ is God, their Creator who rules over them.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Ephesians 1:20-21
which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The angels are His to command.

Matt 13:41
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,

Matt 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31"And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matt 25:31-33
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32"All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

2 Thess 1:7
when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,

1 Tim 5:21
I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.

Heb 1:6
He says,
"AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."


Rev 5:11-12
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."


Gos alone is worshiped. There is no idolatry in heaven. All worhip there is unto God hence the Son is God. The four living creatures said, "Amen," and the elders fell down and worshiped.

hope this helps !!!

 

[FreeInChrist]

Many never come up with a teaching on the doctrine of the trinity but say... oh we showed it to you already, or you must not be able to see it, or you need the spirit to see it, or it's too hard for humans to see it because it's a mystery.​

Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there.

You named it.... The bible is not to promote God, Jesus or the Trinity, solely..... It is our handbook and we are given nuggets of the Trinity from beginning to end.... so we can see what is being done for us.

The Bible was not written to promote a later theological system. It is God’s revelation to mankind.

Scripture does not give us vague “nuggets” or scattered hints that require assembly by human imagination. What it teaches, it teaches clearly and consistently from beginning to end.

That does not prove the Trinity is not in the Bible—it proves it is not taught the way biblical doctrine is taught.

Actually, a biblical “mystery” is something once hidden but now revealed (Rom. 16:25–26; Eph. 3:3–6).

Just because God’s plan or full revelation wasn’t always known doesn’t make it false—it only means it was gradually revealed in His timing, exactly as Scripture shows.

What is hidden temporarily is not the same as false, and what is revealed clearly is what we are meant to know.

So @Peterlag ... Do you have a need to know? Maybe God says you don't.

After all you cannot see the Trinity in The Great Commission and it is right there in front of your eeyes

 

[TomL]

Only a fool would argue against Math and Science and then say it's a mystery and not to be understood.

Actually only a fool would argue against God based upon google

Again, you only read what you want to hear. The Word (Logos) was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The Word was not just His thoughts, ideas, etc. The Word was GOD! And the Word became flesh in the man we know as Jesus.

John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2 Pet 1:1Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:5–6 (NASB 95) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Isaiah 9:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB 95) — 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Revelation 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

 

[Peterlag]

Actually only a fool would argue against God based upon google



John 1:1 (NASB 95) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 (NASB 95) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Hebrews 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Titus 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

2 Pet 1:1Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:
Philippians 2:5–6 (NASB 95) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

Isaiah 9:6 (NASB 95) — 6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

1 John 5:20 (NASB 95) — 20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Hebrews 1:3 (NASB 95) — 3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

Revelation 1:8 (NASB 95) — 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Google is not the human enemy. It is Math and Science that God created.

 

[Peterlag]

You named it.... The bible is not to promote God, Jesus or the Trinity, solely..... It is our handbook and we are given nuggets of the Trinity from beginning to end.... so we can see what is being done for us.

The Bible was not written to promote a later theological system. It is God’s revelation to mankind.

Scripture does not give us vague “nuggets” or scattered hints that require assembly by human imagination. What it teaches, it teaches clearly and consistently from beginning to end.

That does not prove the Trinity is not in the Bible—it proves it is not taught the way biblical doctrine is taught.

Actually, a biblical “mystery” is something once hidden but now revealed (Rom. 16:25–26; Eph. 3:3–6).

Just because God’s plan or full revelation wasn’t always known doesn’t make it false—it only means it was gradually revealed in His timing, exactly as Scripture shows.

What is hidden temporarily is not the same as false, and what is revealed clearly is what we are meant to know.

So @Peterlag ... Do you have a need to know? Maybe God says you don't.

After all you cannot see the Trinity in The Great Commission and it is right there in front of your eeyes

God is not hiding the truth of who Jesus is.

 

[Peterlag]

That is true for normal humans. But Scripture says that Jesus existed before He was born. He has always existed (John 1:1, John 8:58, Col 1:15-17, John 17:5, 1 Cor 10:4, Mic 5:2).

John 1:1 does not say Jesus exited before he was born and neither does John 8:58.

 

[Peterlag]

When was God born?

When was the beginning?

What happened before the incarnation of Jesus?

Who was considered the Messiah in OT times?

How did this Messiah come into being?

How were the angels born?

Nobody exist until they are born.

How does it happen?
Adam existed and he was not born.
Eve existed and she was not born.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
and they were not born.

When it was decided that the Word would come to earth in the for of flesh, a WOMAN was selected so He could be born?

You do not know the difference and I want these questions answered and not with a dismissive answer like you saying "The question is too stupid for me to answer."

For this tells us you simply cannot because you have no clue and you cannot understand what you read in the 66 books of Holy Scripture.

Adam and Eve were the only ones who were not born and the Bible clearly teaches that. Jesus was born and the Bible clearly teaches that.