The Trinity and all of its supporting doctrines are all circular in reasoning

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, they were already being medicated and the medicine wasn't working. Prayer did. If you can move God with a real, sincere, powerful prayer then things will start happening. Pestering God with your petty squabbles because you can't prove your religion using the Bible is rather silly, in my honest opinion. You seem very threatened by Scripture.

There are better medications now. Again. I know all about it. My twin brother has had it since he was about 4 years old. My mother had it when she gave birth to us both.

You can rely upon things better explained within nature or you can claim things that boast your ego yourself. Choices. Always choices.

You actually have a very very poor understanding of so many things.

 

[Runningman]

You mentioned other people. Not me. You did.

If we were having a public audio or video debate, this would already be over with.

You don't realize how long evil Unitarians like yourself have been making the same bad arguments. I have actually been very busy today.

So, name these occurrence where Christ isn't alone in being worshipped. Did the Jews of Christ's day murder them too?

You mean this?

Mark 5
6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him.

fell on his knees
προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Compare that to the LXX of Genesis 23:7 where Abraham fell on his knees before the people of the land. Uses the same exact word as what Mark 5:6 uses. By your argument, the people of the land are God because Abraham gave them προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen).

Do yourself a favor and study more. You don't have any good arguments that have not yet been debunked.

Here's a tool for you to use as well:

https://www.studylight.org/interlinear-study-bible/greek/genesis/23-7.html

 

[Runningman]

I'm not threatened by Scripture. I know them better than you do.

Paul mentioned how Alexander the Coopersmith had greatly resisted his words. Elijah didn't have an issue with the prophets of Baal. Now Elijah did have issues with Ahab's wife.

Knowing this will prepare you for God's choices. When God is called down between two brothers in the family, that is different than dealing with good and evil. Even then, God's purpose is served. If God will not remove you from deceiving others, than the job is left to me.

Again. If you're so so knowledgeable, take my challenge to debate this. You ignore more than half of what I say. You always do. You will not do this in a public debate where you're on the record. This "forum" experience is just that. An experience.

You don't know Scripture better than me, I can guarantee that. For one you are saying things that Scripture does not state and praying to people and worshipping people the Bible does not command you to worship. You being an idolator and pretending to be somehow better than me who knows exactly what the Bible says is extremely laughable. Talk about Dunning-Krueger effect in action.

 

[Runningman]

There are better medications now. Again. I know all about it. My twin brother has had it since he was about 4 years old. My mother had it when she gave birth to us both.

You can rely upon things better explained within nature or you can claim things that boast your ego yourself. Choices. Always choices.

You actually have a very very poor understanding of so many things.

This wasn't overly long ago, perhaps 5 years ago at this point using modern seizure medication. It's revealing of your intentions that you would try to poison the well, so to speak, and cast doubt on God's miracle. I recall debating atheists who did the same sort of things. They would just go in circles referring to any other possible explanation as long as it enabled them to continue denying God like you are.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Bible explicitly states Jesus is created.

Revelation 3
14“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

No, that's how you're choosing to interpret that phrase. It simply means that he was the beginning of creation, ie, he spoke it into existence.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You mean this?

Mark 5
6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him.

fell on his knees
προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Compare that to the LXX of Genesis 23:7 where Abraham fell on his knees before the people of the land. Uses the same exact word as what Mark 5:6 uses. By your argument, the people of the land are God because Abraham gave them προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen).

Do yourself a favor and study more. You don't have any good arguments that have not yet been debunked.

Here's a tool for you to use as well:

https://www.studylight.org/interlinear-study-bible/greek/genesis/23-7.html

So you expect me to answer a challenge before you present it? What kind of mind does this require.

So I should worship Abraham?

You need to make an argument and stick with it. You can't have both.

BTW. I expect God to silence you very quickly. Lets see how long you're still around.

I'll invite you one last time to a open public debate in audio or video. We can deal specifically with Genesis 23:7. Lets see where it goes?

You're a coward.

 

[praise_yeshua]

This wasn't overly long ago, perhaps 5 years ago at this point using modern seizure medication. It's revealing of your intentions that you would try to poison the well, so to speak, and cast doubt on God's miracle. I recall debating atheists who did the same sort of things. They would just go in circles referring to any other possible explanation as long as it enabled them to continue denying God like you are.

You're the one that claims it is a miracle. Not me. You have an idol in your "miracle". It has embolden you to claim God is with you.

Is this person still taking medication or are they relying solely upon your healing for them? They could have just gotten the dosage right. Ask them to stop taking their meds and trust YOU.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You don't know Scripture better than me, I can guarantee that. For one you are saying things that Scripture does not state and praying to people and worshipping people the Bible does not command you to worship. You being an idolator and pretending to be somehow better than me who knows exactly what the Bible says is extremely laughable. Talk about Dunning-Krueger effect in action.

Then debate me. Then answer everything I ask of you. That is what I do to you. What haven't I answered for you?

No reverse that and there are plenty of things you're ignoring. I keep reminding you of them and you keep ignoring them. Coward.

 

[Runningman]

No, that's how you're choosing to interpret that phrase. It simply means that he was the beginning of creation, ie, he spoke it into existence.

Words have meaning and it's the way we can coherently understand each other in the same way. It's how we are able to organize the things we believe because we can clearly convey information using language because we agree on the rules of grammar and the definitions of words. There being rules in grammar doesn't mean they are optional.

So why does Revelation 3:14. archē means beginning in Greek so that clearly refers to a starting point. It also says he is of someone else's creation, meaning he isn't independent of the creation, hence it says "the beginning of the creation of God."

 

[Runningman]

So you expect me to answer a challenge before you present it? What kind of mind does this require.

So I should worship Abraham?

You need to make an argument and stick with it. You can't have both.

BTW. I expect God to silence you very quickly. Lets see how long you're still around.

I'll invite you one last time to a open public debate in audio or video. We can deal specifically with Genesis 23:7. Lets see where it goes?

You're a coward.

You tucked tail on that one faster than I thought you would. I just turned your argument on its head and the best you could reply with was hot air.

 

[Runningman]

You're the one that claims it is a miracle. Not me. You have an idol in your "miracle". It has embolden you to claim God is with you.

Is this person still taking medication or are they relying solely upon your healing for them? They could have just gotten the dosage right. Ask them to stop taking their meds and trust YOU.

So you're telling me an idol healed someone? That doesn't make any sense. Care to explain how an idol could make someone stop having seizures after medication failed to control it?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You tucked tail on that one faster than I thought you would. I just turned your argument on its head and the best you could reply with was hot air.

There was a question in that post. Why are you ignoring. I didn't run away from anything. I can host a debate right now if you'd like. Everyone can watch you be silenced.

 

[Runningman]

Then debate me. Then answer everything I ask of you. That is what I do to you. What haven't I answered for you?

No reverse that and there are plenty of things you're ignoring. I keep reminding you of them and you keep ignoring them. Coward.

Not much of a debate. Stop being a coward and address this.

Mark 5
6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him.

fell on his knees
προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Compare that to the LXX of Genesis 23:7 where Abraham fell on his knees before the people of the land. Uses the same exact word as what Mark 5:6 uses. By your argument, the people of the land are God because Abraham gave them προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen).

Do yourself a favor and study more. You don't have any good arguments that have not yet been debunked.

Here's a tool for you to use as well:

https://www.studylight.org/interlinear-study-bible/greek/genesis/23-7.html

 

[praise_yeshua]

So you're telling me an idol healed someone? That doesn't make any sense. Care to explain how an idol could make someone stop having seizures after medication failed to control it?

You didn't stop anyone from having seizures. You are using your own imagination to replace God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not much of a debate. Stop being a coward and address this.

Mark 5
6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him.

fell on his knees
προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Compare that to the LXX of Genesis 23:7 where Abraham fell on his knees before the people of the land. Uses the same exact word as what Mark 5:6 uses. By your argument, the people of the land are God because Abraham gave them προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen).

Do yourself a favor and study more. You don't have any good arguments that have not yet been debunked.

Here's a tool for you to use as well:

https://www.studylight.org/interlinear-study-bible/greek/genesis/23-7.html

You've already said this. I read it the first time. I asked you a question you ignored. You're the coward. Not me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not much of a debate. Stop being a coward and address this.

Mark 5
6When the man saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees before Him.

fell on his knees
προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 4352: From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. prostrate oneself in homage.

Compare that to the LXX of Genesis 23:7 where Abraham fell on his knees before the people of the land. Uses the same exact word as what Mark 5:6 uses. By your argument, the people of the land are God because Abraham gave them προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen).

Do yourself a favor and study more. You don't have any good arguments that have not yet been debunked.

Here's a tool for you to use as well:

https://www.studylight.org/interlinear-study-bible/greek/genesis/23-7.html

BTW... what manuscript are you referencing?

Quick. Go google something......

 

[Runningman]

You didn't stop anyone from having seizures. You are using your own imagination to replace God.

Of course I don't take glory for it. All glory to God. My imagination can't cure seizures.

 

[Runningman]

You've already said this. I read it the first time. I asked you a question you ignored. You're the coward. Not me.

Ok, well I have disproven your theory about προσεκύνησεν (prosekynēsen) referring to deity worship in the same way it does for the Father in John 4:23,24. Yes, people can bow to others and it can be called worship, but it doesn't follow to a sound conclusion that it means someone is God. Unless you're calling Abraham an idolator?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Of course I don't take glory for it. All glory to God. My imagination can't cure seizures.

You find approval in such. You can't say otherwise. I lead you into doing this. It is always revealing when men start challenging one another.

I don't seek such approval as this. To me, you can have all that comes with such.

 

[Runningman]

BTW... what manuscript are you referencing?

Quick. Go google something......

Stalling. You are the one who is put on the spot now. So far I haven't seen any rebuttals. Looks like another win for the Unitarian camp.