The Power of the Gospel

praise_yeshua said:
The resident Calvinists here dishonor God with their false claims concerning the Gospel.

The Gospel is Intrinsically POWERFUL.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Calvinism removes the power of the Gospel. The power of the Gospel is relative to the speaker, not the hearer.

1Co 14:9 It is the same for you. If you do not speak clearly with your tongue, how will anyone know what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.

1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
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Amen is it ever powerful as Roman’s 1 declared . It’s dynamis where we get dynamite from.
 
brightfame52 said:
The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.

But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :

to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:

to lay hold of

  1. to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
  2. to seize upon, take possession of
  3. to lay hold of with the mind

    1. to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend

This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
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Sorry but faith in the gospel precedes regeneration

James 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:18–23 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

The gospel must be mixed with faith to benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 
TomL said:
Sorry but faith in the gospel precedes regeneration

James 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

1 Peter 1:18–23 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

The gospel must be mixed with faith to benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
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The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.

But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :

to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:

to lay hold of

  1. to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
  2. to seize upon, take possession of
  3. to lay hold of with the mind

    1. to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend

This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
 
brightfame52 said:
The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.

But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :

to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:

to lay hold of

  1. to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
  2. to seize upon, take possession of
  3. to lay hold of with the mind

    1. to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend

This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
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You ignored this

faith in the gospel precedes regeneration

James 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word of truth precedes regeneration

1 Peter 1:18–23 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Being born again by the gospel. Again the gospel precedes regeneration

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

born again through the gospel

The gospel - faith in it precedes regeneration

The gospel must be mixed with faith to benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
 
TomL said:
You ignored this

faith in the gospel precedes regeneration

James 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word of truth precedes regeneration

1 Peter 1:18–23 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Being born again by the gospel. Again the gospel precedes regeneration

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

born again through the gospel

The gospel - faith in it precedes regeneration

The gospel must be mixed with faith to benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
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Nope. Regeneration precedes faith.

No man calls Christ Lord but by the Spirit
 
TomL said:
You ignored this

faith in the gospel precedes regeneration

James 1:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The word of truth precedes regeneration

1 Peter 1:18–23 (KJV 1900) — 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Being born again by the gospel. Again the gospel precedes regeneration

1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV 1900) — 15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

born again through the gospel

The gospel - faith in it precedes regeneration

The gospel must be mixed with faith to benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
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The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.

But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :

to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:

to lay hold of

  1. to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
  2. to seize upon, take possession of
  3. to lay hold of with the mind

    1. to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend

This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
 
'So then faith cometh by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God.'
(Rom 10:17)

Hello there, :)

When I heard the gospel of God concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, I came under conviction of sin, and became aware of my need of a Saviour. That is the power of the gospel in the hands of the Holy Spirit, whose sword it is. It is the power of God unto salvation to all who hear and believe.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
brightfame52 said:
The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.

But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :

to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:
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So all your going on about his that or the other and think you're making an impressive case by quoting the Greek word katalambano can all just be set aside when one understands the governing principle by what it even means in your words above.

First there's a good consensus among many translators that the word comprehend wasn't the best way to go considering the passage. A great many translations put it as the darkness had not overcome it (the light) To me that seems the better way as one looks at the context of the passage.

New International Version
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

New Living Translation
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.

English Standard Version
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Berean Standard Bible
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Berean Literal Bible
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Legacy Standard Bible
And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overtake it.

Christian Standard Bible
That light shines in the darkness, and yet the darkness did not overcome it.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
That light shines in the darkness, yet the darkness did not overcome it.

(Plus others as well)

But even going with comprehended it still doesn't prove a Calvinist argument when one considers one can't comprehend the light for they choose not to walk by faith. For ones choosing not to walk in faith in the LIGHT the gospel they'll assert is foolishness. And Jn 3 says why men stay in darkness. It didn't say because they didn't have a capacity to accept the light it said because they've chosen to stay in the love of their sin. John 3: 20 So below is what that verse states,

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Now notice what it doesn't say. It doesn't say the one doesn't come into the light for he doesn't have the capacity to or that he can't choose to. And he doesn't say he doesn't come into the light for he has this total depravity thing where there's no possibility he could. It simply says he won't come into the light lest his deeds should be reproved. In other words he's choosing not to accept that he needs change. No where there stated does it say he couldn't have.










 
Presby02 said:
Ask and you shall recieve. LOL

No one calls Christ Lord but by the Spirit. Did you call Christ Lord minus the Spirit??
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OOPS ROFL

Phil 2
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
 
civic said:
OOPS ROFL

Phil 2
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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So everyone is saved per Romans 10:9,10,,??

Opps, foiled again
 
Presby02 said:
So everyone is saved per Romans 10:9,10,,??

Opps, foiled again
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Nice try avoiding the text which exposed the error in your previous statement.

All unbelievers who serve the god of this world will confess Jesus is Lord and they will all bow the knee before Him

next

game over as they say.

A GIANT OOPS.

hope this helps !!!
 
civic said:
Nice try avoiding the text which exposed the error in your previous statement.

All unbelievers who serve the god of this world will confess Jesus is Lord and they will all bow the knee before Him

next

game over as they say.

A GIANT OOPS.

hope this helps !!!
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Nice try dodging the obvious. If everyone confesses Christ as Lord then everyone is saved given your faulty understanding.

According to Romans 10

OPPSIE
 
Presby02 said:
Nice try dodging the obvious. If everyone confesses Christ as Lord then everyone is saved given your faulty understanding.

According to Romans 10

OPPSIE
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nope it proves you do not know what it means to say Jesus is Lord in the verse you quoted.

discerning the scriptures is something you have proved is impossible in your belief system.

next
 
civic said:
nope it proves you do not know what it means to say Jesus is Lord in the verse you quoted.

discerning the scriptures is something you have proved is impossible in your belief system.

next
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You appear to be a universalist. If everyone confesses, everyone is saved.

So did you confess Christ as Lord minus the Spirit? Missed your answer
 

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