praise_yeshua
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Agreed. I shouldn't have shown my frustration. Sorry.
The Power of the Gospel
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Agreed. I shouldn't have shown my frustration. Sorry.
No problem - with me anyway
brightfame52
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Its a limited particular people whom Christ was sent to give eternal life to, His Sheep that were given Him. Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they[those given Him] might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jn 10:26-29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
brightfame52
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Its a limited particular people whom Christ was sent to give eternal life to, His Sheep that were given Him. Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they[those given Him] might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jn 10:26-29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
One day you might actually address rebuttal but that day has not yet come
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-power-of-the-gospel.1459/post-62963
Still no response to
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-power-of-the-gospel.1459/post-62963
God gave to Christ those that are his
nowhere is it stated they were unconditionally given to Christ
John 17:6–8 (ESV) — 6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.
Regarding John 10 They were not God's sheep so they were not Christs
Had they believed God they would have believed Christ
John 8:17–19 (ESV) — 17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. 18 I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” 19 They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
John 8:39–47 (ESV) — 39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
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brightfame52
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Its a limited particular people whom Christ was sent to give eternal life to, His Sheep that were given Him. Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they[those given Him] might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jn 10:26-29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
brightfame52
Well-known member
Its a limited particular people whom Christ was sent to give eternal life to, His Sheep that were given Him. Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they[those given Him] might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jn 10:26-29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Richard
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We heard you the first time but you know another reason that Jesus chose Judas was that God’s sovereign plan had to be accomplished.
Richard
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I must say this, At least you're consistent.
Still no response to
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-power-of-the-gospel.1459/post-62963
God gave to Christ those that are his
nowhere is it stated they were unconditionally given to Christ
John 17:6–8 (ESV) — 6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.
Regarding John 10 They were not God's sheep so they were not Christs
Had they believed God they would have believed Christ
John 8:17–19 (ESV) — 17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. 18 I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” 19 They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
John 8:39–47 (ESV) — 39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
Addressed multiple times while you ignored rebuttal
Still no response to
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-power-of-the-gospel.1459/post-62963
God gave to Christ those that are his
nowhere is it stated they were unconditionally given to Christ
John 17:6–8 (ESV) — 6 “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.
Regarding John 10 They were not God's sheep so they were not Christs
Had they believed God they would have believed Christ
John 8:17–19 (ESV) — 17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true. 18 I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.” 19 They said to him therefore, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
John 8:39–47 (ESV) — 39 They answered him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, 40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did. 41 You are doing the works your father did.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me. 43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46 Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”
brightfame52
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Judas was chosen in Gods Sovereign plan to be a Traitor and fit himself for perdition and destruction, just like all the non elect are chosen for that. You and I are or have been chosen for one or two reasons, to be vessels of wrath or vessels of mercy and we have no choice in the matter, as judas didnt. He was a chosen devil Jn 6:70
70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil
This was judas destiny when he came out of the womb Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels
The Sheeps destiny from the womb Matt 25:34
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Since you heard me the first time, hear me now !
brightfame52
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So are you, but it dont mean nothing
brightfame52
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Its a limited particular people whom Christ was sent to give eternal life to, His Sheep that were given Him. Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they[those given Him] might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jn 10:26-29
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
brightfame52
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The Gospel is the Power of God unto the regenerated elect, not to the unregenerate. Gospel Truth is light, objective light, and the Gospel truths of the person and Work of Christ are. Spiritual.
But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :
to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:
to lay hold of
This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
But now men who are unregenerate are in subjective darkness, and so we love darkness rather than light, the objective light of the Gospel. When this Gospel light shines in subjective darkness, the unregenerate heart, it comprehends it not [spiritually] Jn 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The word comprehend is the word katalambanō :
to make one's own, to take into oneself, appropriate:
to lay hold of
- to lay hold of so as to make one's own, to obtain, attain to, to make one's own, to take into one's self, appropriate
- to seize upon, take possession of
- to lay hold of with the mind
- to understand, perceive, learn, comprehend
This corresponds with Pauls teaching in 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
See by nature we are subjective darkness in our unregenerate state Eph 5:8
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
civic
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So Gods word returns back to Him void ?
civic
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Stay of topic with the gospel
