The unending requirement of faith

Nope. That's where the Pharisees stumbled. They focused on the Letter of the Law to the detriment of Faith. Read the Book of Romans and see how Paul chastised the Pharisees for focusing on the Law when they should have focused on justice, mercy, and faith which is what Matt 23:23 is talking about.

You on the other hand keep denying what James and John wrote. I highly advise that you believe what they wrote:

,(James 2:24) You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

(James 2:26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

(John 3:14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up.
The thread is about faith being a requirement for salvation. If thats true, then law keeping is a requirement for salvation since Faith is a commandment of the Law, Jesus says Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Yep just like scripture

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

and then get some remedial reading assistance

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.

You could use some remedial elementary reading help
 
Nope, you answer first!

Doug
Okay, yes believing is required to receive eternal life, that is to receive it[a knowledge of it] by faith, but they have eternal life before they received it [a knowledge of it] by Faith.

So now , is faith a requirement man meets in order for God to save them ?
 
Okay, yes believing is required to receive eternal life, that is to receive it[a knowledge of it] by faith, but they have eternal life before they received it [a knowledge of it] by Faith.

So now , is faith a requirement man meets in order for God to save them ?
Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
 
Yep just like scripture

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You should try it some time

and then get some remedial reading assistance

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.

You could use some remedial elementary reading help
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Also law here in this verse has the definite article so its speaking specifically about the moral/mosaic law


Οὐαὶ ὑμῖν γραμματεῖς καὶ Φαρισαῖοι ὑποκριταί ὅτι ἀποδεκατοῦτε τὸ ἡδύοσμον καὶ τὸ ἄνηθον καὶ τὸ κύμινον καὶ ἀφήκατε τὰ βαρύτερα τοῦ νόμου τὴν κρίσιν καὶ τὸν ἔλεον καὶ τὴν πίστιν· ταῦτα ἔδει ποιῆσαι κἀκεῖνα μὴ ἀφιέναι
 
Okay, yes believing is required to receive eternal life, that is to receive it[a knowledge of it] by faith, but they have eternal life before they received it [a knowledge of it] by Faith.

So now , is faith a requirement man meets in order for God to save them ?
But if you already have “eternal life before” belief, then believing cannot be required in order to receive eternal life. You contradict yourself, brightframe; your confirming then denying what you have confirmed.

Doug
 
Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
But if you already have “eternal life before” belief, then believing cannot be required in order to receive eternal life. You contradict yourself, brightframe; your confirming then denying what you have confirmed.

Doug
I gave you my answer, so give me yours.

So now , is faith a requirement man meets in order for God to save them ? Yes or no
 
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
And you deny scripture and show poor reading skills

Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

as for Matthew 23

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.
 
I gave you my answer, so give me yours.

So now , is faith a requirement man meets in order for God to save them ? Yes or no
You contradicted yourself, so that is not an answer. We are asking the same question, brightframe, so if believing is necessary in order to receive eternal life, then yes, believing/faith is a prerequisite requirement in order to receive eternal life.

Doug
 
And you deny scripture and show poor reading skills

Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

as for Matthew 23

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
You contradicted yourself, so that is not an answer. We are asking the same question, brightframe, so if believing is necessary in order to receive eternal life, then yes, believing/faith is a prerequisite requirement in order to receive eternal life.

Doug
I should have known better to trust you to be honest.
 
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 3:14-18 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
And you deny scripture and show poor reading skills

Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

as for Matthew 23

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.
 
And you deny scripture and show poor reading skills

Not according to scripture

John 20:31 (NASB 2020) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that by believing you may have life in His name.

There is no life unless you first believe

John 6:53 (NASB 2020) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves.

as for Matthew 23

Neither judgment nor mercy are a part of the law, so also neither is faith

further, the commas after each show they are separate items.
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 20:31 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
You teach mans faith is a requirement or condition for ones salvation, thats works/law friend ! Jn 20:31 doesn't say a word about faith being a requirement for salvation.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
How do you know you are in Christ ?

You are a new creation in Christ through the new birth when God sealed you with the Holy Spirit after you heard and believed the gospel of your salvation as per Ephesians 1:13. This passage below is evidence/proof that this has taken place in ones life who has been born from above.

2 Corinthians 5:17- Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Colossians 3
Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears,then you also will appear with him in glory.

5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.[b] 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.

15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

These words may be rendered there is a new creation, i.e. a new creation takes place within him. Whosoever is united to Christ by faith, possesses in himself the gift of a Divine, regenerated, spiritual humanity which Christ gives through his Spirit (cf. John 5:21; John 6:33; John 6:39-40; John 6:54; John 6:57; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 1 Peter 1:3; 1 Peter 2:2; and 2 Peter 1:4. Also chap. 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, 2 Corinthians 3:18, 2 Corinthians 4:11, 2 Corinthians 5:5). This life, which he possessed not before, is in fact a new creation of the whole man, “not to be distinguished from regeneration.” Meyer. So also Chrysostom. Cf. John 1:13; John 3:3; John 3:5; Titus 3:5. The margin of the A. V. renders let him be, which is grammatically admissible, but hardly suits the context.

old things] Literally, the old things. Cf. the ‘old man,’ Romans 6:6; Ephesians 4:22; Colossians 3:9; the ‘former conversation’ or manner of living, before the soul was dominated by the Spirit of Christ.

are past away] Literally, passed away, i.e. at the moment of conversion. But as the Dean of Peterborough has shewn in the Expositor, Vol. vii. pp. 261–263, this strict use of the aorist cannot be always pressed in Hebraistic Greek.

behold, all things are become new] Many MSS., versions and recent editors omit ‘all things.’ The passage then stands ‘behold, they are become new.’ If we accept this reading, the passage speaks more clearly of a conversion of the whole man as he is, thoughts, habits, feelings, desires, into the image of Christ. The old is not obliterated, it is renovated. As it stands in the A.V. it relates rather to a substitutionof a new nature for the old. Isaiah 43:18-19; Revelation 21:5.Cambridge

Conclusion:
If one is already in Christ prior to hearing and believing the gospel then it's impossible to become a new creation in Christ. See the problem for the calvinist ?

Calvinists have themselves placed in Christ before creation, before they were born, before they heard the gospel, before they believed the gospel and repented of their sins.

hope this helps !!!
 
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