The Issue of Limited Atonement

[brightfame52]

The atonement of Christ was limited to a particular set apart people Heb 10:9-10

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Also by His death they are set apart for a life of dedication to God.

The word here for sanctified does mean:

1. to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
   1. consecrate things to God
   2. dedicate people to God

And its the word used here Eph 5:25-26

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

 

[Doug Brents]

The atonement of Christ was limited to a particular set apart people Heb 10:9-10

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Also by His death they are set apart for a life of dedication to God.

The word here for sanctified does mean:

1. to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
   1. consecrate things to God
   2. dedicate people to God

And its the word used here Eph 5:25-26

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

You are completely blind. Look at the red highlighted words in the quote you posted above! Christ Jesus died one time, for all mankind.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ obligation to die was of covenant appointment and for a certain people "the seed of Abraham""His brethren" and not all mankind, Heb 2:16-17

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Now the word behoved is the greek word opheiló:

behove, be bound, (be) debt(-or), (be) due(-ty), be guilty (indebted), (must) need(-s), ought, owe, should

to be under obligation, bound by duty or necessity, to do something; it behooves one; one ought; used thus of a necessity imposed either by law and duty

He was obligated by covenant engagement to die for a certain group of people, the seed of Abraham. Now to stretch it beyond that people takes away the covenant stipulation.

He was never to die for the non elect !

 

[brightfame52]

You are completely blind. Look at the red highlighted words in the quote you posted above! Christ Jesus died one time, for all mankind.

You lack understanding, all has nothing to do with the people there, but that the sacrifice He made was once and for all, in contrast to the repeated sacrifices under the law covenant. And the New Covenant isn't for all mankind, but for the seed of abraham , the House of Israel

 

[Doug Brents]

You lack understanding, all has nothing to do with the people there, but that the sacrifice He made was once and for all, in contrast to the repeated sacrifices under the law covenant. And the New Covenant isn't for all mankind, but for the seed of abraham , the House of Israel

The word "and" is not in the Greek Scripture there. It does not say, "once AND for all"; it says, "once for all". There is a BIG, HUGE difference between the two. This is not just stated in one place. It is stated in the same wording in Heb 9:12, Heb 10:10, 14, 1 Pet 3:18, and Rom 6:10.

The covenant is available to all mankind, as you have been shown many times. Anyone can be added to the covenant through faith. But then, I don't expect you to accept the truth; you haven't in the more than a year we have been discussing this.

 

[brightfame52]

The word "and" is not in the Greek Scripture there. It does not say, "once AND for all"; it says, "once for all". There is a BIG, HUGE difference between the two. This is not just stated in one place. It is stated in the same wording in Heb 9:12, Heb 10:10, 14, 1 Pet 3:18, and Rom 6:10.

The covenant is available to all mankind, as you have been shown many times. Anyone can be added to the covenant through faith. But then, I don't expect you to accept the truth; you haven't in the more than a year we have been discussing this.

Your argument doesnt matter any way, His death sanctified them He died for. Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified is in the perfect tense, completed in the past once and for all, with results in the present.

Also I suggest you read Barnes here, God gave him some valuable light to this scripture:

We are sanctified - We are made holy. The word here is not confined to the specific work which is commonly called sanctification - or the process of making the soul holy after it is renewed, but it includes everything by which we are made holy in the sight of God. It embraces, therefore, justification and regeneration as well as what is commonly known as sanctification. The idea is, that whatever there is in our hearts which is holy, or whatever influences are brought to bear upon us to make us holy, is all to be traced to the fact that the Redeemer became obedient unto death, and was willing to offer his body as a sacrifice for sin.

Through the offering of the body - As a sacrifice. A body just adapted to such a purpose had been prepared for him; Hebrews 10:5. It was perfectly holy; it was so organized as to be keenly sensitive to suffering; it was the dwelling-place of the incarnate Deity.

Once for all - In the sense that it is not to be offered again; see the notes on Hebrews 9:28. This ideals repeated here because it was very important to be clearly understood in order to show the contrast between the offering made by Christ, and those made under the Law. The object of the apostle is to exalt the sacrifice made by him above those made by the Jewish high priests. This he does by showing that such was the efficacy of the atonement made by him that it did not need to be repeated; the sacrifices made by them, however, were to be renewed every year. https://biblehub.com/commentaries/hebrews/10-10.htm

 

[Doug Brents]

Your argument doesnt matter any way,

So you admit that I am correct, but because the truth disagrees with what you believe, it doesn't matter? Hmm? You would rather stick with your false beliefs than change and believe the truth?? I am just clarifying here, because I want us both to understand what it is that you just said.

His death sanctified them He died for. Heb 10:10

His death is sufficient to sanctify all who have ever or will ever live. But it is only applied to those who come to Him in faith (Heb 11:6, Eph 2:8-9, Luke 7:50).

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The word sanctified is in the perfect tense, completed in the past once and for all, with results in the present.

Also I suggest you read Barnes here, God gave him some valuable light to this scripture:

Again you change the wording of Scripture to fit your preconceived, erroneous ideas.

Yes, Christ sanctified all those who come to Him in faith, through the shedding of His blood. But again, it is "once for all", not "once and for all". You need to learn the difference between those two phrases, and realize which one is actually in Scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

@Doug Brents

So you admit that I am correct,

lol NO

 

[Doug Brents]

@Doug Brents



lol NO

Saying that my argument doesn't matter anyway, is saying that my argument is correct, but because your false doctrine is so precious to you, you don't think the truth matters.

 

[brightfame52]

Saying that my argument doesn't matter anyway, is saying that my argument is correct, but because your false doctrine is so precious to you, you don't think the truth matters.

Yeah your argument, not the truth. You just showed that you really confused about the verse all the way around

 

[Doug Brents]

Yeah your argument, not the truth. You just showed that you really confused about the verse all the way around

Thank you for your opinion. I am not confused about anything, least of all Heb 10:10.

I recognize the calvinist nonsense you spout, and can (and have) easily debunk(ed) all five points of tulip with and through Scripture. The truth is in Scripture, and you have left Scripture far behind when you embark on tulip. In your posts, you focus on a single word within a verse, and ignore the rest of the verse, let alone the rest of the chapter which gives context to the word on which you choose to focus. And in doing so, you ignore the meaning of the entire passage. Which in turn allows you to apply whatever meaning you have predetermined the passage is going to have, and so support your personal doctrine by default.

 

[brightfame52]

Thank you for your opinion. I am not confused about anything, least of all Heb 10:10.

I recognize the calvinist nonsense you spout, and can (and have) easily debunk(ed) all five points of tulip with and through Scripture. The truth is in Scripture, and you have left Scripture far behind when you embark on tulip. In your posts, you focus on a single word within a verse, and ignore the rest of the verse, let alone the rest of the chapter which gives context to the word on which you choose to focus. And in doing so, you ignore the meaning of the entire passage. Which in turn allows you to apply whatever meaning you have predetermined the passage is going to have, and so support your personal doctrine by default.

You was wrong all the way around

 

[Doug Brents]

You was wrong all the way around

That's all ya got? Good by, again.

 

[brightfame52]

That's all ya got? Good by, again.

I gave you enough

 

[Doug Brents]

I gave you enough

Only God has enough for me, and you ain't Him.

 

[brightfame52]

Salvation and the atonement of Christ is limited to Israel, but not national israel. Isa 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
One writer writes:

Since it is impossible for man to be righteous on his own, therefore God himself will bring his righteousness to the people and it will be applied to all the elect within the nation of Israel and in the world in the universal body of Christ. Here God also looks ahead to the time when the Lord Jesus Christ will be sent from Heaven for the purpose of dying for his chosen elect and then afterward salvation will be placed in the body of Christ which is also known as Zion and the Israel that will be the glory of God will be the redeemed body of believers, not modern Israel as one ministry has a publication touting that lie. The gospel was first published in Zion and from there it will be sent out to all the world where the body of Christ will dwell until the last day when it will be finally redeemed to never see sin or persecution again. https://www.scionofzion.com/isaiah_46_1_13.html