The Issue of Limited Atonement

[TomL]

ditto

Yes. This is an important point Calvinism has to overlook.

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If Gal 3:14 is true, Calvinism is not.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes. This is an important point Calvinism has to overlook.

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If Gal 3:14 is true, Calvinism is not.

Gal 3:14 confirms limited redemption, connected to Vs 13, Jesus death released everyone He died for from the curse of the Law, and to them the blessing of Abraham, the Spirit comes to them [the redeemed] through Jesus Christ, they receive the promised Spirit through Christ/Faith. Faith here has the definite article, so its properly through the Faith. Faith is a noun, a person, place or thing. Its the person, Christ. And of course the Spirit is the source of working Faith in the redeemed.

 

[Doug Brents]

False, just as Isaac, he was Abrahams Heir b4 he was born a sinner. Gen 15:4

And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

God told Abraham that he would be his heir. But that does not mean anything to us today. We become coheirs with Christ, part of Abraham's seed, through faith in Christ Jesus. Without faith there is no salvation.

I am done beating you over the head with this. If @civic is correct that you don't believe faith plays any roll in salvation, then you are more lost and confused than I previously thought. Go study the Word more thoroughly and completely, and learn the truth within.

 

[brightfame52]

God told Abraham that he would be his heir. But that does not mean anything to us today. We become coheirs with Christ, part of Abraham's seed, through faith in Christ Jesus. Without faith there is no salvation.

I am done beating you over the head with this. If @civic is correct that you don't believe faith plays any roll in salvation, then you are more lost and confused than I previously thought. Go study the Word more thoroughly and completely, and learn the truth within.

Yeah he would be his heir, that makes it a sure promise of God.

 

[brightfame52]

@Doug Brents

But that does not mean anything to us today.

Sure it does, if you a believer in Christ it does, that's why Paul wrote to believers Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

They are brethren in Christ as a result of being a child of promise as was Isaac

 

[TomL]

Gal 3:14 confirms limited redemption, connected to Vs 13, Jesus death released everyone He died for from the curse of the Law, and to them the blessing of Abraham, the Spirit comes to them [the redeemed] through Jesus Christ, they receive the promised Spirit through Christ/Faith. Faith here has the definite article, so its properly through the Faith. Faith is a noun, a person, place or thing. Its the person, Christ. And of course the Spirit is the source of working Faith in the redeemed.

Calvinism holds men receive the Spirit before faith.

It is a biblical fact, however, that you must have faith to receive the Spirit.

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

 

[TomL]

@Doug Brents



Sure it does, if you a believer in Christ it does, that's why Paul wrote to believers Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

They are brethren in Christ as a result of being a child of promise as was Isaac

Brethren in Christ are those who believe.

Romans 4:16–17 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,

Colossians 1:2–6 (KJV 1900) — 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism holds men receive the Spirit before faith.

It is a biblical fact, however, that you must have faith to receive the Spirit.

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:14 confirms limited atonement, those whom Christ died for are redeemed from the curse of the law, and by virtue of that, the Spirit is sent into their heart. Same Truth in Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

 

[brightfame52]

Brethren in Christ are those who believe.

Romans 4:16–17 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,

Colossians 1:2–6 (KJV 1900) — 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

One becomes a believer, a spiritual child of abraham, the Father of the Faithful, by the power and promise of God as Isaac was.

 

[TomL]

One becomes a believer, a spiritual child of abraham, the Father of the Faithful, by the power and promise of God as Isaac was.

Once one believes, he becomes a brother in Christ.

And faith is the grounds upon which one receives fruit

Romans 4:16–17 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,

Colossians 1:2–6 (KJV 1900) — 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
It is a believer who is the Spiritual child of Abraham

Galatians 3:7 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham.

 

[TomL]

Gal 3:14 confirms limited atonement, those whom Christ died for are redeemed from the curse of the law, and by virtue of that, the Spirit is sent into their heart. Same Truth in Gal 4:4-6

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Um Limited atonement holds Christ died only for some.

Yet scripture is clear Christ died for more than some

Christ died for all.

Hebrews 2:9 (LEB) — 9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

2 Corinthians 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.



A ransom for all, as God desires the salvation of all people

1 Timothy 2:3–6 (LEB) — 3 This is good and acceptable before God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

He was therefore making propitiation for all the world's sin

1 John 2:2 (LEB) — 2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ is therefore a savior for all the world

1 John 4:14 (LEB) — 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Titus 2:11 (LEB) — 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

1 Timothy 4:10 (LEB) — 10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

Those who believe are saved, and those who do not are not saved

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

 

[brightfame52]

Once one believes, he becomes a brother in Christ.

And faith is the grounds upon which one receives fruit

Romans 4:16–17 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are,

Colossians 1:2–6 (KJV 1900) — 2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you, 4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints, 5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; 6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
It is a believer who is the Spiritual child of Abraham

Galatians 3:7 (LEB) — 7 then understand that the ones who have faith, these are sons of Abraham.

God promised Abraham a Spiritual Heir in Isaac b4 he was born. Now was it possible for Isaac not to become a believer ?

 

[brightfame52]

Um Limited atonement holds Christ died only for some.

Yet scripture is clear Christ died for more than some



Those who believe are saved, and those who do not are not saved

Mark 16:16 (LEB) — 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

The redeemed by Christs death will be given the Holy Spirit in their heart to produce Faith in Christ.