1 John Hilasmos (atonement)

[Eternally-Grateful]

no this is the beginning point for a disciple- to take up your cross daily and follow Him.

which is sanctification.

we do this after we are saved

not to get saved.

if we do this to get saved

1. We are earning salvation
2. If we stop doing this, we would technically lose salvation.

I thought you believed in eternal security?

 

[civic]

To me, the value is Eternal Life. What shall a man give in exchange for his soul? The right to Eternal Life.

There is great value in Eternal Life. Value that can't be quantified in the context of money or wages.

We don't have a right to anything without Him.

agreed

 

[civic]

which is sanctification.

we do this after we are saved

not to get saved.

if we do this to get saved

1. We are earning salvation
2. If we stop doing this, we would technically lose salvation.

I thought you believed in eternal security?

its the beginning point and continues until we go to be with Him.

 

[civic]

see this thread on being a disciple.

Thread 'What is a disciple ?'

Jul 14, 2023

Matthew 28:16-20
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 6:40
A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is...

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[praise_yeshua]

which is sanctification.

we do this after we are saved

not to get saved.

if we do this to get saved

1. We are earning salvation
2. If we stop doing this, we would technically lose salvation.

I thought you believed in eternal security?

Yeah Yeah Yeah....

It just a simple transaction to you.

What if you don't like what you learn about God?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

its the beginning point and continues until we go to be with Him.

Agreed

But that has nothing to do with how we are saved. and why..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

see this thread on being a disciple.

Thread 'What is a disciple ?'

Jul 14, 2023

Matthew 28:16-20
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 6:40
A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is...

• civic
• Replies: 13
• Forum: Count the Cost

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I am discussing how one gets saved and why. not what we do after.

This thread concerns what Jesus did to save us, not what we do after we are saved.

 

[civic]

I am discussing how one gets saved and why. not what we do after.

This thread concerns what Jesus did to save us, not what we do after we are saved.

becoming a disciple is the starting point according to Jesus. counting the cost is the beginning point. taking up your cross and following Him is the starting point.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

becoming a disciple is the starting point according to Jesus. counting the cost is the beginning point. taking up your cross and following Him is the starting point.

the starting point is we were dead. and we are made alive

the starting point is we have been adopted. sealed by the spirit. Brought into right relationship with God. Redeemed by the blood of the lamb, Saved by Grace through faith.

It is when we recieve him, Not when we crucify ourselves.

that is a works based gospel..

 

[praise_yeshua]

the starting point is we were dead. and we are made alive

the starting point is we have been adopted. sealed by the spirit. Brought into right relationship with God. Redeemed by the blood of the lamb, Saved by Grace through faith.

It is when we recieve him, Not when we crucify ourselves.

that is a works based gospel..

You just described a "works based gospel" yourself. You just put all the work upon God. God serves YOU.

Which is a self centered religion where you're fabricating "god" after your own likeness and desires.

 

[civic]

the starting point is we were dead. and we are made alive

the starting point is we have been adopted. sealed by the spirit. Brought into right relationship with God. Redeemed by the blood of the lamb, Saved by Grace through faith.

It is when we recieve him, Not when we crucify ourselves.

that is a works based gospel..

But faith requires action on our part

 

[praise_yeshua]

But faith requires action on our part

I believe we agree. Faith isn't meritorious but it certain shows what we really care about.

We do what we care about or we don't really put forth meaningful effort to accomplish anything.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

But faith requires action on our part

I disagree,, Again, we are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. not of works lest we should boast.

Faith receives the gift of God..

John 1: 12 but as many as have received him to them he gave the power to become children of God. even to them who believe on his name

If you trust God for salvation. you tend to trust him elsewhere. so actions are a byproduct of faith. the more we trust. the more God shows he is trustworthy, the more we act.

this is called Christian growth.

As Hebrews says, By one sacrifice he has perfected forever (justification) those who are being sanctified.

Also. as paul said, we can be confident of this very thing, he who began a good work will complete it until the day of Christ.

 

[civic]

I disagree,, Again, we are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. not of works lest we should boast.

Faith receives the gift of God..

John 1: 12 but as many as have received him to them he gave the power to become children of God. even to them who believe on his name

If you trust God for salvation. you tend to trust him elsewhere. so actions are a byproduct of faith. the more we trust. the more God shows he is trustworthy, the more we act.

this is called Christian growth.

As Hebrews says, By one sacrifice he has perfected forever (justification) those who are being sanctified.

Also. as paul said, we can be confident of this very thing, he who began a good work will complete it until the day of Christ.

No faith is a life long commitment just like the promise that is made when saying I do in a marriage.

It’s why Jesus said count the cost before making a decision to become His disciple.

Faith is an action and lifelong commitment to Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No faith is a life long commitment just like the promise that is made when saying I do in a marriage.

It’s why Jesus said count the cost before making a decision to become His disciple.

Faith is an action and lifelong commitment to Christ.

Amen. An Eternal commitment. Never ending.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I disagree,, Again, we are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. not of works lest we should boast.

Faith receives the gift of God..

John 1: 12 but as many as have received him to them he gave the power to become children of God. even to them who believe on his name

If you trust God for salvation. you tend to trust him elsewhere. so actions are a byproduct of faith. the more we trust. the more God shows he is trustworthy, the more we act.

this is called Christian growth.

As Hebrews says, By one sacrifice he has perfected forever (justification) those who are being sanctified.

Also. as paul said, we can be confident of this very thing, he who began a good work will complete it until the day of Christ.

The way you approach this, you should never fail. Never. Not once. We know that isn't true at all.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

No faith is a life long commitment just like the promise that is made when saying I do in a marriage.

It’s why Jesus said count the cost before making a decision to become His disciple.

Faith is an action and lifelong commitment to Christ.

ahh, so you believe we can lose salvation?

 

[civic]

ahh, so you believe we can lose salvation?

Nope believers will persevere, real faith endures , it finishes the race.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Nope believers will persevere, real faith endures , it finishes the race.

then nothing you said above makes any sense concerning sanctification, which is why you are confusing me

Believers do not persevere. that is why I reject Calvinist perseverance of the saints. If I must persevere. then I am saving myself and salvation can be lost if I fail

God keeps us. as he said, non will be lost (john 6)

 

[civic]

then nothing you said above makes any sense concerning sanctification, which is why you are confusing me

Believers do not persevere. that is why I reject Calvinist perseverance of the saints. If I must persevere. then I am saving myself and salvation can be lost if I fail

God keeps us. as he said, non will be lost (john 6)

Sanctification has a past, present and future aspect . Just like salvation does