brightfame52
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How can they not be ? They are something done by the person.
The Issue of Limited Atonement
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Selah
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Is receiving a work?
John 1:12-13 (KJV) 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
brightfame52
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How can it not be ? Its something done by the person.
Selah
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These are God’s children, the Elect.
civic
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projecting- what is dishonoring is believing in another gospel as per Galatians 1:6-10.
brightfame52
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So whats your point ?
TULIP is false doctrine through and through.
GodsGrace
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Calvinists are promoting a false gospel.
Why?
Because the illogical theology they teach DID NOT EXIST in the early church.
And did NOT EXIST until about 1500AD when Luther decided to change everything that had been known about
Christianity until then.
There is NO NEW REVELATION BF.
JESUS was God's ultimate and last revelation to man.
Some doctrine or other could be clarified....
but there is NO NEW DOCTRINE.
You know who else received NEW REVELATION?
Muhammad
John Smith
Charles Russell
Ellen White
And THE MEN that YOU follow.
Try following JESUS instead.
GodsGrace
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As usual BF....
Just because you say so....
Does not make it so.
YOU are the one that's always stating how God is SOVEREIGN....
So He's not sovereign enough for you to die for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD?
Scripture is clear and the concept of UNLIMITED ATONEMENT is in keeping with God's plan for mankind.
Through one man we were sold to satan.
Through one "man" we were bought back.
1 John 2:2
2He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Titus 2:11
11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,
Hebrews 2:9
9But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
1 John 4:14
14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
1 Timothy 4:10
10For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
This is the problem of Calvinists BF....
They prefer to learn from John Calvin instead of the Word of God....the bible.
brightfame52
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GodsGrace
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Well then BF,,,,,I would say that the bible is teaching works!
If BELIEVING is a work....
Paul got his message ALL WRONG!
Paul states that believing, which is faith, is NOT a work.
Who should we believe?
YOU or Paul?
A work EARNS you something....
Can we WORK our way to heaven?
NO.
Then faith cannot be a work.
Romans 4:1-4
1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter?
2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God.
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Verse 3 Abraham believed God and it was CREDITED to him as righteousness....
a CREDIT is not something one works for. It's a gift.
Verse 5 To the one who DOES NOT WORK, his faith is credited as righteousness.
It is by either faith or works....it cannot be both.
Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
CLEAR SCRIPTURE:
We are saved by GRACE through FAITH.....
FAITH IS NOT A WORK....it is the free gift of God.
Believing means having faith....
BELIEVING IS NOT A WORK.
GodsGrace
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TULIP is not comprised of truths.
It's comprised of heretical beliefs that are NOT based on the bible
but on a man from the 5th century, a Catholic,,,that EVEN THE CC does accept as having correct doctrine on
free will and predestination.
Read the NT yourself with no predisposition and you'll come to know the love God has for mankind.
You'll be freed to know the God of the bible.
Instead of the God of John Calvin.
Galatians 1:6-8
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
MTMattie
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civic
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Yep
Neil Spargo
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My conclusion will be that limited atonement is another one of high Calvinism’s Achilles’ heels. It cannot be supported by Scripture or the Great Tradition of Christian belief (outside of scholastic Calvinism after Calvin). It contradicts the love of God, making God not only partial but hateful (toward the nonelect). Its rejection does not logically require universalism, and those who hold it do believe it because (they think) logic requires it and Scripture allows it, not because any clear portion of Scripture teaches it.
Roger E. Olson
TULIP is a man made doctrine designed by men to prop up a man made theology.
brightfame52
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You believe receiving what is provided is a work which earns what is received?
The bible does not.
Nope. it is a teaching of man and opposed to the truth of scripture.
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