civic
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Just curious do you believe Jesus atonement was for everyone or just some that God predestined ? Thanks !
The Issue of Limited Atonement
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Rockerduck
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My finite mind cannot fathom an infinite God. I believe God does whatever He wants. If God ordains your salvation, He will get your attention. Since I was chosen, I don't know the feeling of being called. I know God predestined me, but I'm not going say everybody is. I am of the Wesleyan Holiness thought, from the Higher Life movement. You might have heard the phrase "Let Go and Let God".
I am sure the Arminians will reject your claim not having seen any rebuttal to it. I am however neither.
All men are not some men
Christ died for all
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963
And that verse denies your claim
Romans 5:18 (NASB 2020) — 18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.
brightfame52
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The atonement is limited to the all that Justification of life came upon because of Jesus Death Rom 5:18
therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
dwight92070
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The Limited Atonement doctrine vs. unlimited atonement.
The question is, who does the limiting? The Calvinists say that God limits who can be saved and therefore who will be lost. The fact that many will reject Christ and not be saved is not rightfully called limited atonement. The Bible does not say that Christ died for only a limited number of people. He died for all. To believe in limited atonement is to accuse God of only accepting some, but rejecting all the others. That's not the God of the Bible.
The words "elect" or "chosen" are often misleading. In reality, Christ is the chosen one and any who freely receive Him become part of the chosen.
The question is, who does the limiting? The Calvinists say that God limits who can be saved and therefore who will be lost. The fact that many will reject Christ and not be saved is not rightfully called limited atonement. The Bible does not say that Christ died for only a limited number of people. He died for all. To believe in limited atonement is to accuse God of only accepting some, but rejecting all the others. That's not the God of the Bible.
The words "elect" or "chosen" are often misleading. In reality, Christ is the chosen one and any who freely receive Him become part of the chosen.
Rockerduck
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Arminians believe in Universal atonement. AKA, Universalists.
Your way of thinking has all men both condemned and justified at the same time. Welcome to the Looney Tunes thinking of calvinism.
Rockerduck
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Another Christian mocking another Christian. shame. Jesus said the least shall be the greatest. By the way, I'm not Calvinist, but I see the bashing, without even Quoting Calvin to make a point. All you can say is loony tunes, like that's intelligent, humble answer.Your way of thinking has all men both condemned and justified at the same time. Welcome to the Looney Tunes thinking of calvinism.
Here's another Looney Tunes idea that calvinists shamelessly believe in:
Do you want to know more calvinist Looney Tunes ideas?
civic
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No they believe Christ atonement was made available to everyone and to apply it to anyone it must be done by faith in Christ. No faith no salvation. That’s not universalism
All men are not some men
Christ died for all
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963
And that verse denies your claim
Romans 5:18 (NASB 2020) — 18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.
Um That would be totally false
Arminians believe the atonement must be appropriated through faith
civic
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Ditto
Provisionists also
brightfame52
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The all men in Romans 5:18 is limited to the justifiedYour way of thinking has all men both condemned and justified at the same time. Welcome to the Looney Tunes thinking of calvinism.
brightfame52
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Yes the all men in Romans 5:18 is only some men the all that are justified
Um the all men in Rom 5:18
Romans 5:18 (NASB 2020) — 18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.
is as wide as the condemnation
All mankind
The verse refutes your view
brightfame52
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The all in Room 5:18 unto Justification of life is limited to the justified.
if you read in context
Um the all men in Rom 5:18
Romans 5:18 (NASB 2020) — 18 So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind.
is as wide as the condemnation
All mankind
The verse refutes your view
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