The Issue of Limited Atonement

[civic]

Rom 5:18 does more than indicate, it defines the difference between the single act of disobedience of Adam to the single act of righteousness of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So then as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life. (Rom 5:18)

The difference between Adam and our Lord is clearly defined by the Apostle Paul.
"as through (Adam's) one trespass, all men were condemned"
"so through (Jesus's) one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life"

The clear comparison is, as Adam's sin condemned all men to death our Lord's righteous act justified all men to life

In your reply you add exclusivity that is not found in the verse. The Apostle Paul was clear "as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life". There is zero mentioning or implication of exclusion in the verse.

When you look for exclusivity you must read the preceding verse, "For if by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; so much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ."

The Greek word λαμβάνω means to receive what is given, what is offered. IE: Three people are given a writing pen, two refused the pen and one received the pen. I gave all three a pen but only one received. Without exclusion all three were given a pen and yet only one received it. The one who received it benefits from it.

All men are justified to life in the death of Jesus Christ and yet only those who receive it by faith will benefit from it. Romans 4 and 5 is where the Apostle Paul expounds on the topic of justification by faith.

The foundational truth of Romans 4 and 5 is, we believe God that He justified us in His Son's death for our sins; therefore, we are justified!

Those who do not believe God justified them to life in the death and resurrection of Jesus have rejected or refused to receive God's free gift to life and will sadly die in their sins.

I hope you realize there is no exclusivity in Romans 5:18.

God Bless

Well said brother , the truth prevails. Amen.

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 5:18 does more than indicate. It defines the difference between the single act of disobedience of Adam to the single act of righteousness of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So then as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life. (Rom 5:18)

The difference between Adam and our Lord is clearly defined by the Apostle Paul.
"as through (Adam's) one trespass, all men were condemned"
"so through (Jesus's) one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life"

The clear comparison is, as Adam's sin condemned all men to death our Lord's righteous act justified all men to life

In your reply you add exclusivity that is not found in the verse. The Apostle Paul was clear "as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life". There is zero mentioning or implication of exclusion in the verse.

When you look for exclusivity you must read the preceding verse, "For if by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; so much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ."

The Greek word λαμβάνω means to receive what is given, what is offered. IE: Three people are given a writing pen, two refused the pen and one received the pen. I gave all three a pen but only one received. Without exclusion all three were given a pen and yet only one received it. The one who received it benefits from it.

All men are justified to life in the death of Jesus Christ and yet only those who receive it by faith will benefit from it. Romans 4 and 5 is where the Apostle Paul expounds on the topic of justification by faith.

The foundational truth of Romans 4 and 5 is, we believe God that He justified us in His Son's death for our sins; therefore, we are justified!

Those who do not believe God justified them to life in the death and resurrection of Jesus have rejected or refused to receive God's free gift to life and will sadly die in their sins.

I hope you realize there is no exclusivity in Romans 5:18.

God Bless

Rom 5:18 indicates that the all represented by Christ , as a result of His Suretyship representation for them, they receive Justification of life, o its limited to them who actually receive Justification of life.

 

[civic]

Rom 5:18 indicates that the all represented by Christ , as a result of His Suretyship representation for them, they receive Justification of life, o its limited to them who actually receive Justification of life.

its eisegesis to change the meaning of all in a verse to fit your doctrine- all means all men , everyone in both cases.

 

[brightfame52]

its eisegesis to change the meaning of all in a verse to fit your doctrine- all means all men , everyone in both cases.

Its the plain truth of the Gospel Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

[civic]

Its the plain truth of the Gospel Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

all men mean the same in both- everyone.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

all men mean the same in both- everyone.

next fallacy

Its the plain truth of the Gospel Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The all men here is qualified by having received Justification of life !

 

[civic]

Its the plain truth of the Gospel Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The all men here is qualified by having received Justification of life !

repeating the same error speaks volumes.

 

[brightfame52]

repeating the same error speaks volumes.

Its the plain truth of the Gospel Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The all men here is qualified by having received Justification of life !

The free gift unto them results in Justification of life ! So its limited to them, duh

 

[TomL]

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Sorry Christ died for all men, the world, everyone




1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Joe]

Rom 5:18 indicates that the all represented by Christ , as a result of His Suretyship representation for them, they receive Justification of life, o its limited to them who actually receive Justification of life.

The text is a comparison between Adam, who is a foreshadow of our Lord Jesus Christ, and Jesus our Lord (ref, Rom 5:14).

And here is the comparison between Adam, who the foreshadow of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ, "as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life"

The foreshadow is, just as all men were condemned in Adam, all men are justified to life in Jesus Christ....This is exactly what the Apostle Paul stated in context as the comparison.

I know it is your desire to understand the comparison to mean a particular group of men justified to life, but then you must apply that equally so to the ones condemned, for the context is comparing between the result of one man's single sin and one Man's single act of righteousness. This means that "all men" condemned is equally the same as "all men" justified to life.

We know all men were condemned in Adam's single sin. for death is the reality for every man. So we too must believe God that in His Son's death all men were justified to life. And we believe God that all men will be raised from the dead, and only those who receive the free gift of justification will reign in life with Jesus Christ.

God's free gift came to all men; this is what Paul is teaching in Romans, and only those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ. This is why we preach believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin and eternal life, for God has justified you to life in Jesus's death for your sin.

I ask that you take the verses in Romans 5:12-21 for exactly what they mean without adding or subtracting from their pure meaning, for this truly reflects the glorious grace of God to "all men".

God Bless

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry Christ died for all men, the world, everyone




1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

 

[brightfame52]

The text is a comparison between Adam, who is a foreshadow of our Lord Jesus Christ, and Jesus our Lord (ref, Rom 5:14).

And here is the comparison between Adam, who the foreshadow of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ, "as through one trespass, all men were condemned; even so through one act of righteousness, all men were justified to life"

The foreshadow is, just as all men were condemned in Adam, all men are justified to life in Jesus Christ....This is exactly what the Apostle Paul stated in context as the comparison.

I know it is your desire to understand the comparison to mean a particular group of men justified to life, but then you must apply that equally so to the ones condemned, for the context is comparing between the result of one man's single sin and one Man's single act of righteousness. This means that "all men" condemned is equally the same as "all men" justified to life.

We know all men were condemned in Adam's single sin. for death is the reality for every man. So we too must believe God that in His Son's death all men were justified to life. And we believe God that all men will be raised from the dead, and only those who receive the free gift of justification will reign in life with Jesus Christ.

God's free gift came to all men; this is what Paul is teaching in Romans, and only those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ. This is why we preach believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin and eternal life, for God has justified you to life in Jesus's death for your sin.

I ask that you take the verses in Romans 5:12-21 for exactly what they mean without adding or subtracting from their pure meaning, for this truly reflects the glorious grace of God to "all men".

God Bless

Rom 5:18 indicates that the all represented by Christ , as a result of His Suretyship representation for them, they receive Justification of life,so its limited to them who actually receive Justification of life.

 

[TomL]

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

You address none of these

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And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

 

[brightfame52]

You address none of these

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And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, thats elementary thinking.

 

[TomL]

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, thats elementary thinking.

This remains true

You address none of these

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963

And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

 

[brightfame52]

This remains true

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, that's elementary thinking.

 

[TomL]

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, that's elementary thinking.

You address none of these

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963

And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

 

[brightfame52]

You address none of these

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963

And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, that's elementary thinking.

 

[TomL]

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, that's elementary thinking.

All men are not some men

You address none of these

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-issue-of-limited-atonement.944/post-108963

And again all men are not some men unconditionally selected

The verse testifies against your theology

 

[brightfame52]

All men are not some men

All those Christ died for receive, are given Justification of life, thats how weknow His Death is limited Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by[Jesus Christ] the righteousness of one[Jesus Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now has Justification of life came upon all men without exception ? NO so the atonement wasn't for them, that's elementary thinking.