brightfame52
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All those verses are about all the seed of Abrahamr Gods elect
The Issue of Limited Atonement
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Like the murder of His Son?
sacrifice, but don't divert. Scripture falsifies your meticulous determination of all things theology
Murder. Murder He determined to occir
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1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
which indicates you twist scripture
still diverting
Your theology of divine meticulous determination of all things has been refuted
Did God take part on the murder of His Son? He did determine it to occur so according to you it came from Him.
civic
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according to Man, RC, Piper, Calvin and many other calvinists the Father put the Son to death- ie killed him. I started a thread on that very topic here with plenty of quotes as evidence.
Calvinists teach the Father KILLED the Son so I will quote a few famous ones for you proving what Calvinists actually believe and teach.
MacArthur in the gospel according to God says :
We must remember that sin did not kill Jesus; God did. The suffering servants death was nothing less than a punishment administered by God for the sins committed by others.
Piper says in the passion of the Christ :
The ultimate question to who killed Jesus is God did. Its a staggering thought . Jesus was His Son.
Grudem in his Systematic Theology :
As Jesus bore the guilt of our sin alone,God the Father, the Almighty Creator, the Lord of the universe, poured out on Jesus the fury of his wrath: Jesus became the object of the intense hatred of sin and vengeance against sin which God had patiently stored up since the beginning of the world.
Calvin says in his commentary on Gal 3:13 :
"He could not cease to be the object of his Father’s love, and yet he endured his wrath. For how could he reconcile the Father to us, if he had incurred his hatred and displeasure? We conclude, that he “did always those things that pleased” (John 8:29) his Father. Again, how would he have freed us from the wrath of God, if he had not transferred it from us to himself? Thus, “he was wounded for our transgressions,” (Isaiah 53:5,) and had to deal with God as an angry judge."
And we know Jesus and the Apostles did not teach the Father killed the Son but the Jews killed Him on the cross.
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TibiasDad
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God gave the Son, the Son gave his life.
“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:18
Doug
civic
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AMEN
The sacrifice certainly
He allowed it
Will you stop diverting now?
Are you ready to admit your theology of absolute determinism has been refuted?
You were given a list of things which were not from God
If they were not from God, then he could not have determined them
If he did not determine them, then your theology is in error
He was murdered by those who nailed Him to the cross. He was a innocent man.
Will you admit your position means God took part in His Sons murder by determining it to occur?
Not from God does not mean they were not determined to occur. You have yet to prove your premise.
Are you not able to read or understand?
Will you continue to run from the refutation of your theology?
The sacrifice certainly
He allowed it
Will you stop diverting now?
Are you ready to admit your theology of absolute determinism has been refuted?
You were given a list of things which were not from God
If they were not from God, then he could not have determined them
If he did not determine them, then your theology is in error
You continue to run from rebuttal
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
which indicates you twist scripture
All those false teachers are projecting their pagan mythological beliefs onto God. The mythology and fables of Calvinism is what I call it.
civic
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it is one of the worse heresies the church has bought into with PSA.
Rockson
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So Calvinists believe that the Father actually hated Jesus? If that be the case I'd say such a one saying such isn't qualified really to teach any scripture at all from the Bible.
civic
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That is where the doctrine of the wrath bearing Son leads to in its logical conclusion in PSA. They fit together like a hand in glove.
Why are you not able to understand? Can you read?
In your view the murder of God's Son came from Him.
No, prove because something is determined by God it came from Him. We're waiting
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