civic
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Hate means to love less, love dies t mean to hate. You are conflating them
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brightfame52
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Ummm, imCo, our sameness occurred only back in time at our creation before the Satanic fall. Since then we've been divided by our own free will decisions into the elect, the Satanic reprobate and the sinful elect, that is, those elect who rebelled against GOD's call for the judgement of the reprobate. Our becoming biology from Adam and Eve changed none of this.
civic
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Agreed your position is a false witness against God.
Of course not because the absolute necessity of the total separation of the Satanic reprobate from HIS Church to keep HIS heavenly family safe from the leaven of the Satanic is based upon HIS great love for HIS Family.
The Satanic are 'other', ie, not of HIm or HIS family any longer:
Deuteronomy 32:5 “They have corrupted themselves; They are not His children because of their blemish but a perverse and crooked generation.
OR
their blemish is that they are not HIS children.
brightfame52
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So Hes not unloving when He created them[the reprobate] for that hell fire. The reprobate were born that way, to be taken and destroyed 2 Pet 2:12
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
The word made is the greek word gennaō:
- to be born
- to be begotten
praise_yeshua
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So you are equal with Christ? Say it plainly. Don't talk around it. You are not Christ nor will you ever be equal with Christ.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Are you "Lord of anything"? No. You're not.
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Are you Master of anything?
There a Divine relationship between the Father and a Son that you do not have and will never have.
brightfame52
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Jn 17:23-24
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The word as is the adverb kathōs:
- according as
- just as, even as
- in proportion as, in the degree that
praise_yeshua
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Ummm, imCo, our sameness occurred only back in time at our creation before the Satanic fall. Since then we've been divided by our own free will decisions into the elect, the Satanic reprobate and the sinful elect, that is, those elect who rebelled against GOD's call for the judgement of the reprobate. Our becoming biology from Adam and Eve changed none of this.
The fall didn't taint the physical construct of human beings. Adam was never impeccable. Neither has Adam's offspring become impeccable.
There is not such thing as a distinctly reprobate people relative humanity. Reprobation comes from the continued willful denial of the Sacrificial offering of Jesus Christ.
praise_yeshua
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Yeah. You keep repeating yourself instead of actually dealing with what I've said.... Who would ever think differently.
Your response is nothing more than 1 plus 2.... over and over again. You're not even out of kindergarten and you're trying to have adult conversation. You can't. It is impossible for you to do so.
brightfame52
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People are born the reprobate, the hated, the children of the devil
praise_yeshua
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Are YOU Master? Is a servant loved equally to the Master?
praise_yeshua
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They why are you not one of them?
brightfame52
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Did God the Father Love them even as He Loved the Lord Jesus Christ ?
Jn 17:23-24
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The word as is the adverb kathōs:
- according as
- just as, even as
- in proportion as, in the degree that
HE never created the reprobate for hell fire. GOD created no one just to go to hell.
HIS whole purpose for our creation was to have a Bride. Everyone created in HIS image was created as a possible Bride but
1. the acceptance of HIS proposal of marriage had to be by their, our, free will and
2. since a free will is not bound to accept HIS purpose for their creation, some did not like the idea of being HIS Bride thinking instead that HE was a liar and therefore a false god and so they scorned HIS offer of marriage, rebuking HIM forever.
The choice of the Satanic therefore made themselves to be reprobate in HIS sight, counterfeit or illegitimate children unable to ever fulfil HIS purpose for them and therefore they were self condemned as He had warned them would happen.
All people chose their own FATE by their own free will based upon what they thought would fulfill their happiness the best. GOD created no one just to go to hell!
Agreed...
but only because before their conception they had an existence where they chose by their free will by faith (an unproven hope) to become reprobate in HIS sight, knowing what HE meant by that but rebuking HIM as a false god anyway.
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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No they were created for hell and destruction, they had no will before they were created
God did not create anyone for hell or destruction
God is good that should be our starting presupposition
brightfame52
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Yes He did create some for Hell and destruction, and He is good to Israel the Elect Ps 73:1
Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart
