The Elect

[TedT]

Again, you're requiring evil so God can show His goodness.

Excellent observation again!

GOD does not require evil for any reason. Evil is anathema to HIM, HE cannot abide it. HE cannot create it nor create sinners by any means:
GOD is light. Light cannot create darkness.
GOD is love. Love cannot create evil.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit, Matthew 7:18 A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water, James 3:11...
NO ONE inherited any sin, sin nature, evil propensity or liability for sinfulness from Adam!!!



Sin is only accrued by a free will rebellion against GOD or one of HIS commands.

 

[TomL]

makesends said:
The construction, 'libertarian free will' is logical nonsense. It is a claim to first-causal ability on the part of creatures, which is self-contradiction. Absolute spontaneity only exists in God himself —not in creatures.

So you deny Adam sinned of his own free will?

God determined his sin?

 

[TedT]

Yes it was, because Christ dying for sin was preordained before Adam was created 1 Pet 1:19-20

The promise of election to salvation from the consequences of our sinful choices was preordained to be fulfilled before anyone chose to be sinful, even before the Satanic fall.

Thus the preordination of our salvation by His death does not contain the sin that causes the fulfillment of our election salvation but only the possibility of our choosing to be evil in HIS sight by the possibility of choosing evil to be available.

 

[TomL]

@praise_yeshua



Yes it was, because Christ dying for sin was preordained before Adam was created 1 Pet 1:19-20

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So God authored and determined sin in your view?

 

[brightfame52]

You need to study the Scriptures. Not the English mistaken translations that are produced at the whims of man.

Lol The Lord made the wicked !

 

[praise_yeshua]

Lol The Lord made the wicked !

He made Adam and Eve. We are the offspring of Adam and Eve.

Did you take biology?

 

[brightfame52]

So are you a supralapsarian

Im a Christian

 

[TomL]

Lol The Lord made the wicked !

so how is God not responsible for their evil?

 

[TomL]

Im a Christian

A supralapsarian Chrstian?

 

[brightfame52]

The promise of election to salvation from the consequences of our sinful choices was preordained to be fulfilled before anyone chose to be sinful, even before the Satanic fall.

Thus the preordination of our salvation by His death does not contain the sin that causes the fulfillment of our election salvation but only the possibility of our choosing to be evil in HIS sight by the possibility of choosing evil to be available.

Preordination of sin was due to Gods preordination of the Saviour from Sin.

 

[brightfame52]

so how is God not responsible for their evil?

He made them responsible for it, thats how

 

[praise_yeshua]

Preordination of sin was due to Gods preordination of the Saviour from Sin.

So you believe God serves sin? I know that is exactly what you believe. That is Blasphemy.

 

[praise_yeshua]

He made them responsible for it, thats how

You said that God was responsible.

 

[brightfame52]

So you believe God serves sin? I know that is exactly what you believe. That is Blasphemy.

Do I believe God serves sin ? More slander ! Sin serves Gods Purposes

 

[brightfame52]

You said that God was responsible.

He is responsible for making them responsible for their sin

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do I believe God serves sin ? More slander ! Sin serves Gods Purposes

You said that God made sin for Jesus to die for........

That is what YOU SAID..... You have fashioned a gospel where Christ serves sin.

 

[praise_yeshua]

He is responsible for making them responsible for their sin

Now that is a circle argument @makesends

 

[TedT]

So you deny Adam sinned of his own free will?

God determined his sin?

In my Christian opinion....
GOD did NOT determine, ie, chose for us, who would choose which FATE, either holy and elect, elect but sinful or the choice to be reprobate, unforgivable. We chose our own fate.

WE all became sinners by our own free will choice to be sinful in HIS sight while knowing what GOD meant by that.

So, while GOD did NOT determine our sinfulness, HE did give sinners (not innocents) predetermined LIVES including expressions of our self chosen sinfulness to fulfill HIS election promise of salvation, redemption and sanctification the best and quickest way possible given our personal intransigence against holiness.

Our eyes needed to be opened to our sinfulness, our nakedness, so HE determined which expressions of our self chosen sinfulness we would experience to come to understand that we are indeed sinful and need to seek our saviour and His holiness.

 

[brightfame52]

You said that God made sin for Jesus to die for........

That is what YOU SAID..... You have fashioned a gospel where Christ serves sin.

More slander

 

[brightfame52]

Now that is a circle argument @makesends

God made the wicked so that He may be glorified in His Justice for punishing them for their sins. They are elsewhere called the vessels of wrath He made to fit them for destruction Rom 9