The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

Why would anyone want you not to pray to Jesus?

Jesus said "you have not because you ask not." James 4:2

Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. She said to herself, "If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed." Jesus turned and saw her. "Take heart, daughter," he said, "your faith has healed you." Matthew 9:20-21
Faith in Jesus.
Some want to deny Christ his deity
 
Calling check mate on this forum and Trinitarianism in general. Nearly 100 pages later and we have proven unequivocally that Jesus was never given proseuchesthe, no not once, in Scripture. Nor did anyone teach anything about praying to him.

The only teaching for us Christians in Scripture in Matthew 6:6-9. We pray to Father only.

Matthew 6 (NIV)
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
 
We ought to pray to Yeshua Ha-Mashiach.

Acts 7:59-60 (The Martyrdom of Stephen)
“And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.’ And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, ‘Lord, do not hold this sin against them.’”

Stephen’s words resemble a prayer directed to Jesus, demonstrating direct appeal in a moment of great need and surrender, similar to the way Jesus prayed to the Father on the cross. This passage strongly indicates that early Christians recognized Jesus as the appropriate recipient of prayers.

2. 1 Corinthians 1:2 (Invocation of Jesus' Name)
“To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours.”

The phrase “call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ” implies a practice among early believers of addressing Jesus directly in prayer. “Calling upon” in biblical language often signifies prayer, worship, or invocation, indicating that the Corinthians (and by implication all believers) directed their prayers to Jesus.

3. 2 Corinthians 12:8-9 (Paul’s Petition to Jesus)
“Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, ‘My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.’”

Paul refers to his repeated petition to “the Lord,” whom many scholars identify as Jesus. Here, Paul’s appeal and the response he receives reflect an intimate prayer exchange, where Jesus answers personally, showing that Paul viewed Jesus as responsive to prayer.

4. John 14:13-14 (Jesus’ Instruction to Ask in His Name)
“Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.”

In this passage, Jesus not only instructs His disciples to ask in His name but also indicates that He Himself will respond to these requests. While primarily emphasizing the authority of Jesus’ name, it also suggests His active role in hearing and answering prayer, which later Christians have understood to include prayer directly to Jesus.

5. Revelation 22:20 (The Prayer for Jesus’ Return)
“He who testifies to these things says, ‘Surely I am coming soon.’ Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!”

John’s closing words in Revelation, “Come, Lord Jesus,” serve as a prayer to Jesus for His return. This appeal to Jesus directly, expressing anticipation of His second coming, shows both reverence and direct prayer to Jesus in a liturgical context.

6. Hebrews 4:14-16 (Approaching Jesus as the High Priest)
“Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession… Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”

While this passage does not specify “praying to Jesus” explicitly, it encourages believers to approach Jesus as their High Priest with confidence, implying personal access in prayer. Jesus, as the mediator and high priest, makes direct appeal to Him both appropriate and encouraged, especially when seeking grace and mercy.


J.
Thank you for confessing that the Bible does not explicitly say to pray to Jesus. I respect your honesty immensely despite our apparent theological disagreements. We cannot have productive discussions, despite differences, if we cannot at least meet on the common ground of truth. We can sort the rest out after the truth has been paid proper homage to.

With that being said, Jesus taught on the matter of prayer in Matthew 6:6-9 and taught that the Father is to receive "proseuchesthe" which is the Greek equivalent for prayer.
 
Incorrect statement-
The assertion that there is no scriptural support for praying to Jesus overlooks the Greek terminology used in early Christian texts, which indeed conveys prayer or invocation directed at Jesus, supporting His divinity.

Invocation and Appeal (ἐπικαλέω, epikaleō) In Acts 7:59, Stephen, while being martyred, ἐπικαλέω τὸν Κύριον Ἰησοῦν ("called upon the Lord Jesus"). The verb ἐπικαλέω indicates direct address and appeal, resembling formal invocation in prayer language. This reflects the same reverence as seen in the Septuagint (LXX) when addressing God, directly countering the argument that "prayer" is exclusive to God the Father. If calling on Jesus in this sense implies that Jesus is separate from deity, then Stephen's use of ἐπικαλέω in this context would be inconsistent with the reverence shown only to God.

Hebrews 4:16 (Προσέρχομαι, prosérchomai - Drawing Near) Προσέρχωμαι (prosérchomai) is used in Hebrews 4:16 to denote approaching the "throne of grace," which early believers understood as accessible through Christ's high priesthood. This term, common in Greek to describe both physical and spiritual approach, indicates drawing near with intent for divine help. The context implies that this approach is possible due to Jesus’ position, indicating that He hears and responds to prayers directly, further affirming His divine status and accessibility as God.

1 Corinthians 1:2 - Calling on Jesus as κύριος (Kyrios) Paul opens his letter by affirming those who ἐπικαλουμένοις τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ("call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ"). The phrase ἐπικαλέομαι (epikaleomai), repeated from Acts 7:59, is frequently used in Hellenistic Greek and the LXX to describe worship or prayer directed to Yahweh. For Paul to use this terminology concerning Jesus places Him on equal footing with God, emphasizing that calling upon Jesus directly in prayer was a normative part of worship in the early Christian community.

Jesus as Θεός (Theos) in Titus 2:13 and John 20:28 In Titus 2:13, Paul refers to τὸν μέγαν Θεὸν καὶ σωτῆρα ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν ("our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ"). The grammar here, especially according to the Granville Sharp rule, binds “God” and “Savior” as descriptors of Jesus. Similarly, John 20:28 captures Thomas calling Jesus ὁ Κύριός μου καὶ ὁ Θεός μου ("My Lord and my God"). These confessions align with the worship due to God alone, further evidenced by Jesus’ acceptance of Thomas’s declaration.

Use of the term προσεύχομαι (proseuchomai) and λόγος (logos) in John 14:13-14 In John 14:13-14, Jesus promises to respond directly when believers ask ἐν τῷ ὀνόματί μου ("in My name"). While προσεύχομαι specifically (a formal term for prayer) isn’t used in every instance, λόγος (logos) connotes speaking or calling upon authority, which Jesus commands here. Thus, prayer in Jesus’ name inherently invokes His authority and active response, serving as a divine function rather than a mere intermediary role.

PRAYER, UNLIMITED YET LIMITED

The Synoptic Gospels
believers are encouraged to ask anything in Jesus' name and they shall receive it (cf. Matt. 7:7; 18:19; Mark 11:24; Luke 11:9-10)
believers are encouraged to persevere in prayer and God will provide "good things" (Matthew, Matt. 7:7-11) or "His Spirit" (Luke, Luke 11:5-13)
in the context of church discipline believers (two) are encouraged to unite in prayer (Matt. 18:19; see SPECIAL TOPIC: CHURCH DISCIPLINE)
in the context of the judgment of Judaism believers are to ask in faith without doubting (Matt. 21:18-22; Mark 11:23-24; see SPECIAL TOPIC: FAITH IN THE NT)
in the context of two parables (Luke 18:1-8, the unrighteous judge and Luke 18:9-14, the Pharisee and the sinner) believers are encouraged to act differently from the godless judge and self-righteous Pharisee. God hears the humble and repentant (Luke 18:1-14; see SPECIAL TOPIC: INTERPRETING PARABLES)

John's writings
believers are encouraged to ask anything in Jesus' name and they shall receive it (cf. John 9:31; 14:13-14; 16:23; 1 John 3:2; 5:14-16)
in the context of the man born blind whom Jesus heals, the true blindness of the Pharisees is revealed. Jesus' prayers (as any believer's) are answered because He knew God (see SPECIAL TOPIC: KNOW) and lived accordingly (John 9:31).
John's Upper Room Discourse (John 13-17)
John 14:12-14 – believing prayer characterized by
 (1) coming from believers
 (2) asking in Jesus' name (see SPECIAL TOPIC: The Name of the Lord [NT])
 (3) desiring that the Father be glorified
 (4) keeping commandments (v. 15; see SPECIAL TOPIC: KEEP)
John 15:7-10 – believers prayer characterized by
 (1) abiding in Jesus (see SPECIAL TOPIC: Abiding in John's Writings)
 (2) His word abiding in them
 (3) desiring that the Father be glorified
 (4) producing much fruit which is evidence of a true disciple
 (5) keeping commandments (v. 10)
John 15:15-17 – believers' prayer characterized by
 (1) their election (see SPECIAL TOPIC: ELECTION)
 (2) their fruit bearing which will remain
 (3) asking in Jesus' name
 (4) keeping command to love one another (see SPECIAL TOPIC: LOVE)
John 16:23-24 – believers' prayers characterized by
 (1) asking in Jesus' name
 (2) desiring that joy be made full
John's first letter (1 John)
1 John 3:22-24 – believers' prayer characterized by
 (1) keeping His commandments (vv. 22,24)
 (2) living appropriately
 (3) believing in Jesus
 (4) loving one another
 (5) abiding in Him and He in us
 (6) having the gift of the Spirit (see SPECIAL TOPIC: SPIRIT [gift of])
1 John 5:14-16 – believers' prayer characterized by
 (1) confidence in God (see SPECIAL TOPIC: BOLDNESS)
 (2) according to His will (see SPECIAL TOPIC: THE WILL OF GOD)
 (3) believers praying for each other (see SPECIAL TOPIC: INTERCESSORY PRAYER)

James
James 1:5-7 – believers confronted with various trials are called on to ask for wisdom without doubting
James 4:2-3 – believers must ask with proper motives
James 5:13-18 – believers faced with health problems are encouraged
to ask elders to pray
to pray in faith
to ask that their sins will be forgiven
to confess sin to one another and pray for one another (similar to 1 John 5:16)
The key to effective prayer is Christlikeness. This is what praying in Jesus' name means. The worst thing God could do for most Christians is to answer their selfish prayers! In one sense all prayers are answered. The most valuable aspect of prayer is that the believer has spent time with God, trusting God.

SPECIAL TOPIC: EFFECTIVE PRAYER


J.
Please point out where you see the word for prayer given to Jesus present in the original language. I admit, I have already completely studied the entire Bible on this subject. If I have missed something I would like that part to be drawn to my attention. Thanks.
 
Calling check mate on this forum and Trinitarianism in general. Nearly 100 pages later and we have proven unequivocally that Jesus was never given proseuchesthe, no not once, in Scripture. Nor did anyone teach anything about praying to him.

The only teaching for us Christians in Scripture in Matthew 6:6-9. We pray to Father only.

Matthew 6 (NIV)
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
Bald faced fabrication

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

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Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
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Revelation 5:8 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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a typical bald denial of scripture as is often seen in your posts
 
Bald faced fabrication

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

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Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
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Revelation 5:8 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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a typical bald denial of scripture as is often seen in your posts
Bald faced addition to Scripture. None of those say Jesus was prayed to.
 
Bald faced addition to Scripture. None of those say Jesus was prayed to.
Sorry that is scripture

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

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Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
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Revelation 5:8 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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a typical bald denial of scripture as is often seen in your posts
 
Sorry that is scripture

1 Corinthians 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
2 Corinthians 12:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
Acts 7:59 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
1 John 5:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

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Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
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Revelation 5:8 (LEB) — 8 And when he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one of whom had a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

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a typical bald denial of scripture as is often seen in your posts
None of those say Jesus' name or that he was prayed to. Give it up already. You don't have any scriptural backing for praying to Jesus.

Calling check mate on this forum and Trinitarianism in general. Nearly 100 pages later and we have proven unequivocally that Jesus was never given proseuchesthe, no not once, in Scripture. Nor did anyone teach anything about praying to him.

The only teaching for us Christians in Scripture in Matthew 6:6-9. We pray to Father only.

Matthew 6 (NIV)
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
 
None of those say Jesus' name or that he was prayed to. Give it up already. You don't have any scriptural backing for praying to Jesus.
Sorry we have your confession Jesus is the only lord

so

Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.


So that is prayer to Jesus

and you have been refuted by your own confession
 
Sorry we have your confession Jesus is the only lord

so

Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.


So that is prayer to Jesus

and you have been refuted by your own confession
The Father is the Lord. Do you deny that? All of the precedent on praying to the Lord is to the Father in Scripture. I have the superior argument. I also have the plain teachings of Jesus in Matthew 6:6-9 that say to pray to the Father. Yes, that is indeed a check mate. Unitarianism beats Trinitarianism. Our book confirms what we believe to be true.
 
The Father is the Lord. Do you deny that? All of the precedent on praying to the Lord is to the Father in Scripture. I have the superior argument. I also have the plain teachings of Jesus in Matthew 6:6-9 that say to pray to the Father. Yes, that is indeed a check mate. Unitarianism beats Trinitarianism. Our book confirms what we believe to be true.
Sorry you did

Remember 1cor 8:6

1 Corinthians 8:6 (LEB) — 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him, and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him.

You affirmed Jesus was the only Lord

An honest biblical expositor does not alter his handling of scripturte to suit his doctrine
 
Sorry you did

Remember 1cor 8:6

1 Corinthians 8:6 (LEB) — 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him, and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him.

You affirmed Jesus was the only Lord

An honest biblical expositor does not alter his handling of scripturte to suit his doctrine
Remember Matthew 11:25 and Ephesians 4:4-6 where the Father is the Lord and God. You're out of options.

Matthew 11 (NIV)
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children

Ephesians 4 (NIV)
4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
 
Please point out where you see the word for prayer given to Jesus present in the original language. I admit, I have already completely studied the entire Bible on this subject. If I have missed something I would like that part to be drawn to my attention. Thanks.
Already did-no need to repeat myself.
The memra of God
• The use of the word memra helped people understand God as
transcendent and yet immanent (philosophical and metaphysical)
theories of divine presence at the same time.) The memra was the
site of God’s presence in the world and as a mediating figure. If the
Memra is just a name {utterance} that simply enables avoiding
asserting that God himself has created, appeared, supported, saved,
and thus reserves his absolute transcendence, then who, after all, did
the actual creating, appearing, supporting, saving? Either God
himself, in which case, one has hardly ‘protected’ him from contact
with the material world, or there is some other divine entity, in which
case, the Memra is not just a name. Daniel Boyarin - Harvard
Theological Review
What the Targum taught - That the Memra
was God

• Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the
earth
• And it repented the Lord through His memra that He made man on
the earth. Targum

• Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
• The memra of God is the torah giver. Targum.
• Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
• And the memra of the Lord said to Moses: Targum.

What the targum taught – the memra is the
creator
• Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image
• And the memra of the Lord created man. Targum
• Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
• By the memra of the LORD were the heavens made; Targum

What the targum taught – we are saved by
the memra.
• Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for
righteousness.
• Abram believed in the name of the memra of the Lord. Targum
• Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting
salvation:
• Israel will be redeemed by the memra of God, an everlasting redemption.
Targum.
• Hosea 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save
them by the LORD their God,
• I will have mercy of them with the memra of the Lord their God. Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
manifestation of the Lord. (theophany)
• Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the
garden
• They heard the voice of the memra of the Lord walking. Targum
• Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of
Mamre:
• The memra of the Lord appeared to him by the terebith tree. Targum
• Isaiah 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard
• And God shall cause the glorious voice of His memra to be heard.
Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
covenant giver.
• Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee
and thy seed
• And I will establish My covenant between my memra and between
you. Targum
• Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I
make between me and you
• And the Lord said, “This is the sign that I set for covenant between
my memra and you. Targum
• Joshua 2:12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD,
• Now swear unto me by the memra of God. Targum
What the targum taught - The memra was a
revealer of God.
• Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken
in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
• Draw near unto my memra, hear this
• Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no
god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is
there any that can deliver out of my hand.
• When the memra of the Lord shall reveal Himself to redeem His
people…and there is no God beside Me. I in My memra kill and make
alive.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru the Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed.,
Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1981 by J. Vernon
McGee.
• “The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord
Jesus Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously
the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Logos of Greek philosophy; rather He
is the memra of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Is he the God of the Jews only?
• Romans 3:29 Is he the God of
the Jews only? is he not also of
the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles
also:
The logos of God.
• Philo - Jewish philosopher from Alexandria
• Taught Dualism
• God is holy and matter is evil
• God did not create matter.
• Matter and God are co-eternal
• Philo used the Memra to explain Logos theology
Aristotle
• The logos is designed to distinguish the beneficial from the harmful,
and thus also the right and the wrong. For this, in distinction from
the other animals is the property of man; that he alone has the ability
to perceive good and bad and right and wrong and other qualities.
And it is communication of these things that makes a household and
a city state.
Logos
• John borrowed the use of the term word not only from the
vocabulary of the Old Testament but also from Greek philosophy, in
which the term was essentially impersonal, signifying the rational
principle of divine reason, mind or even wisdom. The McArthur Study
Bible, John McArthur, Word Bibles, 1997, page 1573
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The word logos, however had a rich tradition in Greek thought. While
logos can be a very general term meaning simply “word, account,
explanation of a thing” the philosopher Heraclitus (535-475 BC) used
it in a sense of an ordering principle for the universe. Thus logos is
the divine logic that gives order to the universe. Heraclitus appears
to have associated it with fire and to have linked it with reason within
human beings.
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The sense of logos was most fully developed by the Stoics, who
taught that the universe was permeated with the logos that gave
order and rationality to all things. In late Stoicism this logos could be
equated with the pneuma “Spirit” a kind of compound of fire and air,
permeated by reason. There was a logos within each individual
person (that is human reason) and a logos that pervaded the
universe. (that is the rationality that governs the world) By extension
the logos within human beings enabled them to move in harmony
with the logos of the universe.
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (logos – Divine reason)
and the Word (Logos – Divine reason) was with God, and the Word
(Logos – Divine reason) was God. 2The same was in the beginning
with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (logos – Divine reason) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (Memra – manifestation
of God) and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was with God,
and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was God. 2The same
was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and
without him was not any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of
the Father,) full of grace and truth
• 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen
of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
• Genesis 15:1-2 1After these things the word of the LORD came unto
Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy
exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou
give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this
Eliezer of Damascus?

J.
 
Please point out where you see the word for prayer given to Jesus present in the original language. I admit, I have already completely studied the entire Bible on this subject. If I have missed something I would like that part to be drawn to my attention. Thanks.
Already did-no need to repeat myself.
The memra of God
• The use of the word memra helped people understand God as
transcendent and yet immanent (philosophical and metaphysical)
theories of divine presence at the same time.) The memra was the
site of God’s presence in the world and as a mediating figure. If the
Memra is just a name {utterance} that simply enables avoiding
asserting that God himself has created, appeared, supported, saved,
and thus reserves his absolute transcendence, then who, after all, did
the actual creating, appearing, supporting, saving? Either God
himself, in which case, one has hardly ‘protected’ him from contact
with the material world, or there is some other divine entity, in which
case, the Memra is not just a name. Daniel Boyarin - Harvard
Theological Review
What the Targum taught - That the Memra
was God

• Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the
earth
• And it repented the Lord through His memra that He made man on
the earth. Targum

• Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
• The memra of God is the torah giver. Targum.
• Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
• And the memra of the Lord said to Moses: Targum.

What the targum taught – the memra is the
creator
• Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image
• And the memra of the Lord created man. Targum
• Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
• By the memra of the LORD were the heavens made; Targum

What the targum taught – we are saved by
the memra.
• Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for
righteousness.
• Abram believed in the name of the memra of the Lord. Targum
• Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting
salvation:
• Israel will be redeemed by the memra of God, an everlasting redemption.
Targum.
• Hosea 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save
them by the LORD their God,
• I will have mercy of them with the memra of the Lord their God. Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
manifestation of the Lord. (theophany)
• Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the
garden
• They heard the voice of the memra of the Lord walking. Targum
• Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of
Mamre:
• The memra of the Lord appeared to him by the terebith tree. Targum
• Isaiah 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard
• And God shall cause the glorious voice of His memra to be heard.
Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
covenant giver.
• Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee
and thy seed
• And I will establish My covenant between my memra and between
you. Targum
• Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I
make between me and you
• And the Lord said, “This is the sign that I set for covenant between
my memra and you. Targum
• Joshua 2:12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD,
• Now swear unto me by the memra of God. Targum
What the targum taught - The memra was a
revealer of God.
• Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken
in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
• Draw near unto my memra, hear this
• Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no
god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is
there any that can deliver out of my hand.
• When the memra of the Lord shall reveal Himself to redeem His
people…and there is no God beside Me. I in My memra kill and make
alive.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru the Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed.,
Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1981 by J. Vernon
McGee.
• “The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord
Jesus Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously
the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Logos of Greek philosophy; rather He
is the memra of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Is he the God of the Jews only?
• Romans 3:29 Is he the God of
the Jews only? is he not also of
the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles
also:
The logos of God.
• Philo - Jewish philosopher from Alexandria
• Taught Dualism
• God is holy and matter is evil
• God did not create matter.
• Matter and God are co-eternal
• Philo used the Memra to explain Logos theology
Aristotle
• The logos is designed to distinguish the beneficial from the harmful,
and thus also the right and the wrong. For this, in distinction from
the other animals is the property of man; that he alone has the ability
to perceive good and bad and right and wrong and other qualities.
And it is communication of these things that makes a household and
a city state.
Logos
• John borrowed the use of the term word not only from the
vocabulary of the Old Testament but also from Greek philosophy, in
which the term was essentially impersonal, signifying the rational
principle of divine reason, mind or even wisdom. The McArthur Study
Bible, John McArthur, Word Bibles, 1997, page 1573
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The word logos, however had a rich tradition in Greek thought. While
logos can be a very general term meaning simply “word, account,
explanation of a thing” the philosopher Heraclitus (535-475 BC) used
it in a sense of an ordering principle for the universe. Thus logos is
the divine logic that gives order to the universe. Heraclitus appears
to have associated it with fire and to have linked it with reason within
human beings.
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The sense of logos was most fully developed by the Stoics, who
taught that the universe was permeated with the logos that gave
order and rationality to all things. In late Stoicism this logos could be
equated with the pneuma “Spirit” a kind of compound of fire and air,
permeated by reason. There was a logos within each individual
person (that is human reason) and a logos that pervaded the
universe. (that is the rationality that governs the world) By extension
the logos within human beings enabled them to move in harmony
with the logos of the universe.
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (logos – Divine reason)
and the Word (Logos – Divine reason) was with God, and the Word
(Logos – Divine reason) was God. 2The same was in the beginning
with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (logos – Divine reason) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (Memra – manifestation
of God) and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was with God,
and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was God. 2The same
was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and
without him was not any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of
the Father,) full of grace and truth
• 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen
of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
• Genesis 15:1-2 1After these things the word of the LORD came unto
Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy
exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou
give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this
Eliezer of Damascus?

J.
Please point out where you see the word for prayer given to Jesus present in the original language. I admit, I have already completely studied the entire Bible on this subject. If I have missed something I would like that part to be drawn to my attention. Thanks.
I ask you to consider the following: (These 14 points by Kenneth E. Thomas)

Christ is the "one in charge" of everything that affects my spiritual life (1 Corinthians 15:27), but I can't talk to him?
Christ is the Head of the body of which I am a member, but I can't talk to Him?
Christ is the Vine in which I am a branch (John 15:1-8), from Whom I derive all of my spiritual sustenance, but I can't talk to Him?
Christ is the King of the kingdom of which I am a citizen, but I can't talk to the King?
Christ is the Captain of my salvation (Hebrews 2:10), but I can't talk to my Captain?
Christ is my Brother (Hebrews 2:11), but I can't talk to my Brother?
Christ is my High Priest (Hebrews 3:1) He offered Himself for my sins, He is touched with all of the feelings of my infirmities (Hebrews 4:15), and is over the house of God of which I am a part (Hebrews 10:21), but I can't talk to my High Priest? (1 Timothy 2:5).
Christ is my Physician (Luke 5:31), but I can't talk to my Physician?
Christ is the Bishop of my soul(1 Peter 2:25), but I can't talk to my Bishop?
Christ is the Bridegroom of the church (His bride)(2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:22-33, but the bride can't talk to the bridegroom?
Christ is my "Counselor" (Isaiah 9:6), but I can't talk to my Counselor?
Christ is my Friend (John 15:14-15), but I can't talk to my Friend?
Christ is the "Great Shepherd of the sheep" (Hebrews 13:20), of which I am one, but I can't talk to my Shepherd?
Christ is the "Minister of the sanctuary" (Hebrews 8:2), of which I am a part, but I cannot talk to my Minister(servant)? Why, it is amazing to even contemplate! It is much more logical as well as abundantly Scriptural to "TELL IT TO JESUS."

J.
 
Remember Matthew 11:25 and Ephesians 4:4-6 where the Father is the Lord and God. You're out of options.

Matthew 11 (NIV)
25At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children

Ephesians 4 (NIV)
4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Give it up

We have you on record

Jesus Christ is the one lord so

Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

You stand refuted even while you attempt to frame your argument and deny the definition of the word prayer

refuted by your own confession
 
It doesn't follow sound reason that suddenly without precedent, comment, or explanation someone would suddenly pray to Jesus in the Bible. Not only did none of the prophets, Jesus, or any of the disciples teach about praying to Jesus, no one apparently did in Scripture by example. Therefore, there is no mention of Jesus in Acts 1:24-25.

Jesus taught to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9. Before Jesus was taken to heaven, he gave instructions on prayer and said to not ask him for anything, but rather ask the Father in John 16:23. When they prayed to the Sovereign Lord and Creator in Acts 4:24-27 it wasn't to Jesus.

Imagine a book that only teaches about praying to the Father, but never to Jesus. Sounds like Jesus isn't God.
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35–110 AD), in his Letter to the Ephesians, speaks of "our Lord and God, Jesus Christ," emphasizing worship and acknowledgment of His divine authority, which extends to prayer and supplication.

Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69–155 AD) in The Martyrdom of Polycarp, reportedly prayed to Jesus in his final moments, addressing Him as "King of the ages" and asking to be accepted into His presence.

Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD) describes Christians as those who "pray to be delivered by Jesus crucified" (First Apology), expressing a clear indication of Jesus' divine role in receiving prayer.

Each of these early figures points to Jesus as a fitting object of prayer, recognizing His divine nature. Their writings often merge worship with invocation, signaling early acceptance of praying to Jesus as God.

Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD): In 1 Clement 59, he offers a prayer that calls upon Jesus as Lord, showing early acknowledgment of Jesus as a recipient of prayer in the church.

The Didache (c. 50–100 AD): While not strictly a “church father,” this early Christian document provides prayers in Jesus’ name and affirms worship of Him, including elements that approach direct invocation.

Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD): In Against Praxeas, Tertullian defends praying to Jesus by stressing His divine nature, highlighting that Christians address Him in prayer as God.

Origen (c. 184–253 AD): In On Prayer, Origen explains that Jesus is to be honored alongside the Father, indicating that prayer to Jesus is theologically appropriate, as He mediates between God and humanity.

Hippolytus of Rome (c. 170–235 AD): In Apostolic Tradition, Hippolytus outlines prayers that directly address Jesus, emphasizing His divine authority as worthy of supplication.

Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD): In On the Lord's Prayer, Cyprian teaches that invoking Jesus' name is fundamental in Christian prayer, reinforcing the belief in His divine mediation.

These writings collectively illustrate that early Christians practiced praying to Jesus, grounded in their recognition of His divinity and role as intercessor.

It would be real silly of you if you don't acknowledge the ECFs on this doctrine of the Deity of Christ Jesus and prayers to Him
@Runningman.

J.
 
Sorry you did

Remember 1cor 8:6

1 Corinthians 8:6 (LEB) — 6 yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him, and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him.

You affirmed Jesus was the only Lord

An honest biblical expositor does not alter his handling of scripturte to suit his doctrine
There’s our proof that the Father is the one God. Case closed.
 
Already did-no need to repeat myself.
The memra of God
• The use of the word memra helped people understand God as
transcendent and yet immanent (philosophical and metaphysical)
theories of divine presence at the same time.) The memra was the
site of God’s presence in the world and as a mediating figure. If the
Memra is just a name {utterance} that simply enables avoiding
asserting that God himself has created, appeared, supported, saved,
and thus reserves his absolute transcendence, then who, after all, did
the actual creating, appearing, supporting, saving? Either God
himself, in which case, one has hardly ‘protected’ him from contact
with the material world, or there is some other divine entity, in which
case, the Memra is not just a name. Daniel Boyarin - Harvard
Theological Review
What the Targum taught - That the Memra
was God

• Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the
earth
• And it repented the Lord through His memra that He made man on
the earth. Targum

• Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
• The memra of God is the torah giver. Targum.
• Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM:
• And the memra of the Lord said to Moses: Targum.

What the targum taught – the memra is the
creator
• Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image
• And the memra of the Lord created man. Targum
• Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
• By the memra of the LORD were the heavens made; Targum

What the targum taught – we are saved by
the memra.
• Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for
righteousness.
• Abram believed in the name of the memra of the Lord. Targum
• Isaiah 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting
salvation:
• Israel will be redeemed by the memra of God, an everlasting redemption.
Targum.
• Hosea 1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save
them by the LORD their God,
• I will have mercy of them with the memra of the Lord their God. Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
manifestation of the Lord. (theophany)
• Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the
garden
• They heard the voice of the memra of the Lord walking. Targum
• Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of
Mamre:
• The memra of the Lord appeared to him by the terebith tree. Targum
• Isaiah 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard
• And God shall cause the glorious voice of His memra to be heard.
Targum
What the targum taught – the memra was the
covenant giver.
• Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee
and thy seed
• And I will establish My covenant between my memra and between
you. Targum
• Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I
make between me and you
• And the Lord said, “This is the sign that I set for covenant between
my memra and you. Targum
• Joshua 2:12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD,
• Now swear unto me by the memra of God. Targum
What the targum taught - The memra was a
revealer of God.
• Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken
in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I:
and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
• Draw near unto my memra, hear this
• Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no
god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is
there any that can deliver out of my hand.
• When the memra of the Lord shall reveal Himself to redeem His
people…and there is no God beside Me. I in My memra kill and make
alive.
J. Vernon McGee, Thru the Bible commentary [computer file], electronic ed.,
Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997, c1981 by J. Vernon
McGee.
• “The Word” is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord
Jesus Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously
the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Logos of Greek philosophy; rather He
is the memra of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Is he the God of the Jews only?
• Romans 3:29 Is he the God of
the Jews only? is he not also of
the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles
also:
The logos of God.
• Philo - Jewish philosopher from Alexandria
• Taught Dualism
• God is holy and matter is evil
• God did not create matter.
• Matter and God are co-eternal
• Philo used the Memra to explain Logos theology
Aristotle
• The logos is designed to distinguish the beneficial from the harmful,
and thus also the right and the wrong. For this, in distinction from
the other animals is the property of man; that he alone has the ability
to perceive good and bad and right and wrong and other qualities.
And it is communication of these things that makes a household and
a city state.
Logos
• John borrowed the use of the term word not only from the
vocabulary of the Old Testament but also from Greek philosophy, in
which the term was essentially impersonal, signifying the rational
principle of divine reason, mind or even wisdom. The McArthur Study
Bible, John McArthur, Word Bibles, 1997, page 1573
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The word logos, however had a rich tradition in Greek thought. While
logos can be a very general term meaning simply “word, account,
explanation of a thing” the philosopher Heraclitus (535-475 BC) used
it in a sense of an ordering principle for the universe. Thus logos is
the divine logic that gives order to the universe. Heraclitus appears
to have associated it with fire and to have linked it with reason within
human beings.
The Archaeological Study Bible, Zondervan,
2005, page 1721
• The sense of logos was most fully developed by the Stoics, who
taught that the universe was permeated with the logos that gave
order and rationality to all things. In late Stoicism this logos could be
equated with the pneuma “Spirit” a kind of compound of fire and air,
permeated by reason. There was a logos within each individual
person (that is human reason) and a logos that pervaded the
universe. (that is the rationality that governs the world) By extension
the logos within human beings enabled them to move in harmony
with the logos of the universe.
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (logos – Divine reason)
and the Word (Logos – Divine reason) was with God, and the Word
(Logos – Divine reason) was God. 2The same was in the beginning
with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (logos – Divine reason) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only
begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
So when John wrote his gospel, his description of the
Word of God would speak to both his Greek and his
Jewish audience.
• John 1:1-3 1In the beginning was the Word, (Memra – manifestation
of God) and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was with God,
and the Word (Memra – manifestation of God) was God. 2The same
was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and
without him was not any thing made that was made.
• John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was
made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory
as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth
John 1:14 And the Word (Memra – the manifestation of God) was made flesh, and
dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of
the Father,) full of grace and truth
• 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen
of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world,
received up into glory.
• Genesis 15:1-2 1After these things the word of the LORD came unto
Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy
exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou
give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this
Eliezer of Damascus?

J.
I don’t mean “pray to God” or “pray to YHWH” or “pray to the Lord” and then you claim it’s referring to Jesus. Or calling out to Jesus, or appealing to Jesus, etc. There is nothing in scripture about praying to Jesus, or Son, or Word, etc.
 
Give it up

We have you on record

Jesus Christ is the one lord so

Acts 1:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

You stand refuted even while you attempt to frame your argument and deny the definition of the word prayer

refuted by your own confession
Acts 1:24-25 is a prayer to the Father. The Father is Lord, too. All precedent is praying to the Father. Doesn’t follow sound reason that without comment and against the teachings of Jesus that they would begin abruptly praying to Jesus.

There aren’t any explicit examples of praying to Jesus in scripture. Looking for you to at least admit this. Forget the idea of “giving up.” I hold the high ground in this thread and I will not be relinquishing that any time soon. The more you fight the more exposure the fact gets that Jesus isn’t given prayer in the Bible nor did anything teach anything about it.

Don’t you think that since the Bible is our book for how to conduct ourselves with God that if Jesus were God that praying to him would be something they atleast mentioned or did one time? No one ever did it in Scripture. This should show you what they originally believed versus what you believe are not the same.
 
There’s our proof that the Father is the one God. Case closed.
DO YOU believe in the Trinity? Most people in Christendom do. After all, it has been the central doctrine of the churches for centuries.
In view of this, you would think that there could be no question about it. But there is, and lately even some of its supporters have added fuel to the controversy.
Number of Jehovah's Witnesses who have left the organization after reading this page: coming
Why should a subject like this be of any more than passing interest? Because Jesus himself said: "Eternal life is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." So our entire future hinges on our knowing the true nature of God, and that means getting to the root of the Trinity controversy. Therefore, why not examine it for yourself?-John 17:3, Catholic Jerusalem Bible (JB).The quickest way to see the mistake in the Jehovah's Witness interpretation of John 17:3 is in Eph 4:4-6. ("there is one God and one Lord") If "One God" excludes Jesus from God, then "One Lord" excludes God from being Lord. Yet we know that they share these identical characteristics. Jehovah is not only called the Only true God (John 17:3), but the "Only Saviour" (Isa 43:11; 45:21; Hos 13:4; Jude 25) , "Only King" (Zech 14:9). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then Jesus is also excluded from being a Saviour or King. Click link for more.
Various Trinitarian concepts exist. But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; yet, together they are but one God. The doctrine says that the three are coequal, almighty, and uncreated, having existed eternally in the Godhead.Jesus is coequal with the Father being the same class of uncreated being, but not equal (subordinate) with the Father in rank. JW's deliberately confuse these two important issues. A wife is coequal with her husband as a class of created being called "man", but no equal (subordinate) with her husband in rank. Eph 5:23
Others, however, say that the Trinity doctrine is false, that Almighty God stands alone as a separate, eternal, and all-powerful being. They say that Jesus in his prehuman existence was, like the angels, a separate spirit person created by God, and for this reason he must have had a beginning. They teach that Jesus has never been Almighty God's equal in any sense; he has always been subject to God and still is. They also believe that the holy ghost is not a person but God's spirit, his active force.

 
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