The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[TomL]

Correct. All Unitarians have failed miserably to disprove the Biblical fact that Jesus is God and therefore is to be worshiped and prayed to.

Amen

 

[mikesw]

Correct. All Unitarians have failed miserably to disprove the Biblical fact that Jesus is God and therefore is to be worshiped and prayed to.

I've learned a lot about Trinitarianism in the process of these discussions. It could be interesting to look into the deeper arguments, but I cannot apply my time to that right now.

 

[synergy]

I've learned a lot about Trinitarianism in the process of these discussions. It could be interesting to look into the deeper arguments, but I cannot apply my time to that right now.

I'm curious. Once you have some time, could you just name what "deeper arguments" are out there?

 

[mikesw]

I'm curious. Once you have some time, could you just name what "deeper arguments" are out there?

The broader passages showing Christ's divinity. There also is the book Two Powers in Heaven could be interesting. Also looking at the arguments of Jesus in his divinity as being required for justification.

 

[synergy]

The broader passages showing Christ's divinity. There also is the book Two Powers in Heaven could be interesting.

Actually, it can be proven that there are 3 Powers in Heaven.

Also looking at the arguments of Jesus in his divinity as being required for justification.

Correct. Only God can save so Jesus is either God or he is the quintessential imposter. Unitarians prefer to side on the imposter side. That's what they're actually doing but won't confess to it.

 

[mikesw]

Actually, it can be proven that there are 3 Powers in Heaven.

Correct. Only God can save so Jesus is either God or he is the quintessential imposter. Unitarians prefer to side on the imposter side. That's what they're actually doing but won't confess to it.

That book addresses the Jewish conception that was in view even before Jesus' incarnation. They probably were noticing a general feature in the Old Testament not so specific as three.

 

[synergy]

That book addresses the Jewish conception that was in view even before Jesus' incarnation. They probably were noticing a general feature in the Old Testament not so specific as three.

It's interesting how the Judaizing Unitarian mind blinds one against facing up to the reality of the Diety of Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

Very good question. That proves that Jesus is God.

Wonderful verse that perfectly aligns with Trinitarianism..

So what proves Jesus is God in your mind then by your very own logic you are also God. Failure. When Trinitarianism culminates in the sin making a human into God, it's obviously false.

 

[Runningman]

So you think you have real arguments to make instead of this warm-up stuff that failed? Then you have been trying waste people's time.

This thread has been a success. I have not seen any challenges against the validity of Scripture that can't be explained, rightly handling the word.

 

[mikesw]

This thread has been a success. I have not seen any challenges against the validity of Scripture that can't be explained, rightly handling the word.

Well congratulations. You were able to convince yourself of your own belief despite the evidence against it. What is the next challenge in your life?

 

[Runningman]

Um your op



failed to account for the fact Jesus was prayed to and called upon for salvation

also

John 14:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible. We have been over this already. It was an epic failure when the whole board threw themselves at this thread and failed to find one, no not even one, example of Jesus being prayed to in the Bible. No one ever taught anything about praying to Jesus in the Bible. He isn't God dude.

Here's what you need to be knowing about prayer if you want to be a Christian.

Matthew 6
6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman has been blocked at every point he's tried to gain a hostile foothold in the Bible. He's a test case on what heretical thoughts exist out there and how we repel them each time with the Bible.

Page 63 and still no teachings about praying to Jesus in Scripture. This thread has humbled you. Even you now know there is nothing about Jesus being prayed to in the Bible.

 

[Runningman]

Sorry you are just repeating yourself and confessing Christ is just like God the father

Hebrews 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;


Well i agree and applaud the confession

You do understand Trinitarians do not believe Jesus is the father


The disciples saw the "father in that they saw Jesus"

John 14:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

That would be a proof for the deity of Christ

Oh BTW

John 6:46

No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.

You aren't reading what I wrote.

Let's break this down and keep it short and simple.

The below verses about me, a disciple, being like God are not about Jesus, correct?

Matthew 5
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Ephesians 4
24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Peter 1
16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

 

[Runningman]

Correct. All Unitarians have failed miserably to disprove the Biblical fact that Jesus is God and therefore is to be worshiped and prayed to.

The only teaching on prayer and worship in Scripture are to the Father. Matthew 6, John 4. The Bible is our book. I believe you have been shown this book is your enemy. You're on the wrong team.

 

[Runningman]

I'm always so thankful how we Trinitarians are so coherent in our defence of the Bible. It makes sense because we have one Bible but that's easier said than done.

The way that Unitarians try to warp the Bible so that it confirms to their heretical thoughts would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.

I've realized recently that it's Arian Unitarianism that is the major hostile heresy that Christianity is facing now. Arianism was annihilated by the Nicean and Calceldon Creeds but it has resurfaced recently with the proliferation of all those heretical cults out there.

Um, i hate to burst your bubble, but the Unitarian position is Scriptural. I also might had, we have a lot of aces up our sleeve. Thank God Jesus mentioned John 17:3. That settles the Father being the only true God, objectively, beautifully, and completely. Your religion contradicts this fact.

 

[mikesw]

Um, i hate to burst your bubble, but the Unitarian position is Scriptural. I also might had, we have a lot of aces up our sleeve. Thank God Jesus mentioned John 17:3. That settles the Father being the only true God, objectively, beautifully, and completely. Your religion contradicts this fact.

do you have any guidance on your doctrines or do you just make it up as you go along?

 

[101G]

Yes, I have long believed that the Faithful are being prepared to be kings and priests in the Kingdom of God, and that Jesus was the "First Fruit" or the first of many human beings to become such a Priest. And I've long believed there is more to God's Kingdom than Earth, given the countless galaxies and unknown worlds that HE also created. And eternity is a long time, and it seems God has been busy throughout history, so it seems HE has a plan to keep His Priest's busy as well. I don't believe HE exists in the same realm of "Time" that HE created for me, and I know HE has access to the past, and the present, which I have no power to access.

Greeting Studyman.

101G has only one word for you to understand in this world and all the countless galaxies out there..... and that one word is "CREATION" this world and all the galaxies are a CREATION of his. this is not the real world but a "CREATED ONE" just read Genesis 1:1. don't allow your to eyes dictate the true reality, for we WALK BY "FAITH", and NOT BY SIGHT.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

do you have any guidance on your doctrines or do you just make it up as you go along?

How is John 17:3 my doctrine? Scripture isn't a doctrine. So my beliefs about God and Jesus aren't a doctrine. On the other hand, Trinitarianism is a doctrine. The Bible having no lectures, sermons, or instructions to pray to Jesus is not a doctrine. It's simply a literary fact that it doesn't exist in the Bible. See the difference?

 

[synergy]

So what proves Jesus is God in your mind then by your very own logic you are also God. Failure.

Who said I was God??? You might be entertaining the idea that you’re God because of the way you run roughshod over the Bible, freely changing words like "became" to "caused".

When Trinitarianism culminates in the sin making a human into God, it's obviously false.

Trinitarianism believes that God added human nature, not that a human was made into God. You can’t even understand what Trinitarians believe let alone being able to offer any counterargument to it.

Page 63 and still no teachings about praying to Jesus in Scripture. This thread has humbled you. Even you now know there is nothing about Jesus being prayed to in the Bible.

So you don’t pray to God that Jesus claimed to be in John 8:58??? You have such an irreverent attitude, it’s blasphemous. You’re siding with the Pharisees of John 8:59 in response to Jesus' claim in John 8:58.

 

[mikesw]

How is John 17:3 my doctrine? Scripture isn't a doctrine. So my beliefs about God and Jesus aren't a doctrine. On the other hand, Trinitarianism is a doctrine. The Bible having no lectures, sermons, or instructions to pray to Jesus is not a doctrine. It's simply a literary fact that it doesn't exist in the Bible. See the difference?

There are signs of lack of instruction to assist you in understanding scripture. That is the difference I see. The idea of doctrine is that you can identify the meaning of a text within the broad context of scripture. I'm hoping you still know the Father despite your doctrine.