The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[101G]

@TomL, @Runningman.
knowing that the both of you are intelligent men of God. now we can understand John 1:1 BETTER, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." WITH GOD? yes the same one person who is FIRST and LAST. the same one person. SHARED EQUALLY in flesh. 101G know you figured this out.

101G

 

[Runningman]

Today's lesson on English according to Heretics: "the word became flesh it means the word caused flesh". IOW, the word "became" = the word "caused".

This is a classic example on how the English language is sacrificed on the altar of Unitarian Heresies. Stay tuned for more of these wonderful English word redefinitions brought to you courtesy of your heretical colleagues.

That's what the Greek says. It's supported by all of scripture. Let's just use an example to from the Bible to demonstrate your fallacy.

Did Jesus' words become a calm sea or did they cause the sea to be calm?

Matthew 8​

26He said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.​

 

[synergy]

In the context the people are sovereign. It refers to servitude not worship.

Last time I heard statements like that it was those promoting the Arian Race as being sovereign over all other races.
News Flash: Only God is Sovereign.

This is proof you didn't read the comment before replying. Check Daniel 7:18.

Dan 7:18 aligns itself perfectly with Daniel 7:27. Your attempt to strike Daniel 7:27 out of the Bible will not work.

Conclusion, you have no idea what you're talking about. Read the comment again. It's good.

You're projecting now that the entire Dan 7 Chapter has exposed your heresies.

 

[civic]

The Bible doesn't say God became a man despite your theological argument that He did. However, the Bible does directly say God is not a man and that doesn't require a theological argument to explain because it's in the plain text already. So while you are making an argument, I don't need to make an argument because the Bible already says what my premise is and it doesn't say what your premise is. I have the stronger argument against the deity of Jesus than you do for the deity of Jesus.

Numbers 23​

19God is not a man, that He should lie,​

or a son of man, that He should change His mind.​

Does He speak and not act?​

Does He promise and not fulfill?​

​

Hosea 11​

9I will not execute the full fury of My anger;​

I will not turn back to destroy Ephraim.​

For I am God and not man—​

the Holy One among you—​

and I will not come in wrath.​

Question. If God is a man then why does Paul contradict your point by saying that God is not served by human hands? Jesus has human hands.

Acts 17​

24The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.​

NEWSFLASH

God is not a man how, in what way ?

That He should LIE.

 

[101G]

To all,
Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple." Isaiah 6:2 "Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly." Isaiah 6:3 "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." Isaiah 6:4 "And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke."

the term "Lord" here is the Hebrew word,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
Compare: H3068, H1167, H1168

note definition #2. .... so who is this? let the bible answer itself. John 12:37 "But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:" John 12:38 "That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?" (see Isaiah 53). John 12:39 "Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again," John 12:40 "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." John 12:41 "These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him."

who is this that was spoken of? the "Lord" JESUS.... yes, God almighty. Isaiah saw him, as well as the writer of the book of John.

this is just too easy not to understand.

101G.

 

[101G]

NEWSFLASH

God is not a man how, in what way ?

That He should LIE.

on point, but God is a MAN, the NEW MAN, in glorification. as the Lord Jesus said, "Have you not read?" read what Lord Jesus, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." the IMAGE of God is MAN, but God just don't LIE

civic, ..... you're right on point there. if one wants to KNOW that God is a Man, read Isaiah 6, and then Isaiah chapter 53.

101G.

 

[Fred]

You have a different, non scriptural, concept of God as a being a compound being or multi-person entity. To clarify, do you believe God is a person, status, or thing?

Total nonsense.

 

[Fred]

Acts 3:13 proves that Jesus and God aren't the same person. He is correct.

More nonsense on your part.

 

[civic]

on point, but God is a MAN, the NEW MAN, in glorification. as the Lord Jesus said, "Have you not read?" read what Lord Jesus, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." the IMAGE of God is MAN, but God just don't LIE

civic, ..... you're right on point there. if one wants to KNOW that God is a Man, read Isaiah 6, and then Isaiah chapter 53.

101G.

Yes the Son who is God became man.

 

[TomL]

@TomL, @Runningman.
knowing that the both of you are intelligent men of God. now we can understand John 1:1 BETTER, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." WITH GOD? yes the same one person who is FIRST and LAST. the same one person. SHARED EQUALLY in flesh. 101G know you figured this out.

101G

Sorry no

One person is Ton Theon

The other is Ho Logos

We do not read ho logos is ton Theon

It is you who does not understand it

 

[TomL]

@TomL, @Runningman.
let's get biblically learned on the ONE PERSON of God. scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Is this ONE PERSON or two PERSON(S), the First and the Last? examine both scriptures.

now this, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

ALSO means, "in addition; too". used common sense and figure it out.

101G

Way do you ignore multiple new testament verses

Matthew 28:19–20 (KJV 1900) — 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

God the Father and the Son Jesus Christ are two persons

The salutations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; Philem. 3; James 1:1; 2 Pet. 1:2; 2 John 3

Two witnesses: John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; cf. Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15

The Father sent the Son: John 3:16-17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; cf. John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21

The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 5:20; 14:31; 15:9; 17:23-26; cf. Matt. 3:17 par.; 17:5 par.; 2 Pet. 1:17

The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41-42; 12:28; 17:1-26; etc.

The Father knows the Son, and the Son knows the Father: Matt. 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 7:29; 8:55; 10:15

Jesus our Advocate with the Father: 1 John 2:1

Jesus is not God the Father

 

[Runningman]

Sorry no

One person is Ton Theon

The other is Ho Logos

We do not read ho logos is ton Theon

It is you who does not understand it

Numerically two Gods and thus polytheism. Probably The God and a god or The God and someone or something godly is better.

 

[TomL]

Numerically two Gods and thus polytheism. Probably The God and a god or The God and someone or something godly is better.

Two persons but they are one being - one God not two - that is Trinitarianism

 

[TomL]

GINOLJC, to all.
who do you think the Word is? listen, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." and his anthropomorphism description is his OWN ARM ... IN FLESH. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me." HIS "OWN ARM IS ME... Meaning him God himself. my God common sense has to kick in somewhere.

and in that flesh God is REVEALED as a man.... Yes as describe in Daniel 7:9 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire." and now in Revelation 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, (WHITE GARMENT, see Revelation 3:4), and girt about the paps with a golden girdle." Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;" Revelation 1:15 "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters."

it's just incredible how blind some people are.

101G.

Again a Spirit has not parts

God is a spirit

The word is the preincarnate Jesus Christ

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

This was already addressed.
You dodged the evidence.

Keep hiding.

Please point out to the post in which you have addressed Acts 3:13

 

[Fred]

Please point out to the post in which you have addressed Acts 3:13

The link at the bottom of post 665.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Two persons but they are one being

Metaphorically, or literally, TomL?

If it is metaphorically, I agree... and consider this to be a source of inspiration, beauty and spiritual growth.
Metaphors are not lies: they are truths revealed through words that serve as illustration of an unfathomable facts.
Jesus is One with His Father. Jesus wants from us to be One with Him and his Father.
Unity is at the heart of my faith.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Dear readers

Our brother @Fred claims to have addressed Acts 3:13, in which Peter indicates that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (YHWH), but the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I'm reproducing below the post he claims to have addressed it

As you can see, he is resorting to an independent fact: that Jesus is called The Righteous One.
Of course Jesus is called the Righteous One. Of course He is called Lord (Kurios).
But such Righteous One, such Kurios, such Perfect One, such Holy One, is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (YHWH), but his Son... the person who was sent, given power, raised and glorified by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (YHWH).

The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Son Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (Acts 3:13)

@Fred has not addressed the fundamental issue of Jesus and the God Israel being presented as two separate Beings. Until he addresses this, we can confidently state that the proposition "Jesus is YHVH" has no biblical, historical nor logical support. No support even within the majority of Christians.

Keep going...

Acts 3:14
But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you.


"The Righteous One" (in reference to Jesus) is also used in Acts 7.

Acts 7:52
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they have slain those who previously announced the coming of the Righteous One; whose betrayers and murderers you have now become.

The Righteous One, being the Lord, links with the fact that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer (which proves He is God).
Acts 7:59-60
(59) And they stoned Stephen as he called out saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
(60) And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, Lord, do not hold this sin against them!

 

[Fred]

Dear readers

Our brother @Fred claims to have addressed Acts 3:13, in which Peter indicates that Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (YHWH), but the Son of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I'm reproducing below the post he claims to have addressed it

As you can see, he is resorting to an independent fact: that Jesus is called The Righteous One.
Of course Jesus is called the Righteous One. Of course He is called Lord (Kurios).
But such Righteous One, such Kurios, such Perfect One, such Holy One, is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but his Son.

The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His Son Jesus, whom you handed over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (Acts 3:13)

@Fred has not addressed the fundamental issue of Jesus and the God Israel being presented as two separate Beings. Until he addresses this, we can confidently state that the proposition "Jesus is YHVH" has no biblical, historical nor logical support. No support even within the majority of Christians.

You totally dodged the fact that this links with the Lord Jesus being the proper recipient of prayer (Acts 7:59-60) which proves He is God.

Try again.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

More nonsense on your part.

What is nonsense is to participate in a debate replying "Nonsense" instead of presenting arguments of some logical validity.

Fred has failed to explain Acts 3:13 by resorting to the non-sequitur of "The Righteous One".
Some could say that Noah is God because Noah is called "Perfect" in the Scriptures.
Others could say that Moses is God because the Scriptures say Moses saw and talked to God face to face, and it also says that nobody has seen God.

So, Whatever the title used for Jesus, whatever the divines attributes and perfections manifested in Jesus, the title "God" is not given to Jesus specially in sentences in which the Father is mentioned next to Jesus.

In more than 95% of these sentences, the authors had THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY to give the title "God" to both of them, or even to swap the titles (giving the title "Theos" to Jesus and "Kyrios" to the Father). However, they didn't do it. Why?

Either the apostles didn't believe in the Trinity, or they didn't consider it important enough to give it some minutes of explanation.
Things like the importance of cutting one's foreskin or minding what we ate, or whether women's heads should be covered or not were evidently more relevant.

And yet, for some, it is the "Touchstone of Truth" and what defines who is Christian and who is not. Who is forgiven by God and who is not.