Runningman
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Acts 2:21 says it's YHWH in the Old Testament verse it's quoted from. That proves it's not Jesus.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Runningman
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Different topic all together. What about this, what about that... where is the Biblical teaching about praying to Jesus. None.
Man give it up
You were given biblical examples of it happening
You are just denying the evidence and moving goalposts
Acts 1:21 and prayer is the issue here
Acts 1:24 is prayer directed to Jesus Christ
And Acts 2:21 just serves to identify Jesus as YHWH
It is Calling upon the lord Jesus Christ which saves
Romans 10:6–13 (KJV 1900) — 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.more evidence you just deny
Runningman
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I think we have already been here before and it didn't go how you thought it would. Do you remember when I already showed you nearly two dozen names, characteristics, and/or titles that God and Jesus don't share? Yes, God, Jesus, and other Christians have many things in common, but they aren't the same person.
You must keep in mind that Jesus was given his name, was elevated about his companions, was a chosen servant, was given his power/authority, became who he is because God decided he would, etc. Also, Jesus and God are spoken of separately and in distinction of one to the other. There are many examples where God and Jesus are placed side by side and one clearly is not the other person. God is a person, not an assembly or council, according to Scripture.
For starters, John 17:3 says the Father is the only true God. Words have meaning and theological assertions don't contradict Scripture. The Father being the only true God isn't a conditional statement either, it's a fact. Jesus said the one in your trinity you also call Father is the only true God. Therefore, Jesus was explicit about the only God being a person. Jeremiah 10:10 says YHWH is the true God. 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10 says the Father is the true God again. 1 John 5:20 refers to the Father being the true God again. See where this is going? Jesus isn't the true God in scripture.
Acts 3:13 says the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has a servant named Jesus. Jesus spoke of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the third person perspective in Matthew 22:32. Therefore Jesus is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This is getting out of control fast for your theology. The God of Abraham, etc in Exodus 3:14-15 is said to be the I AM, YHWH, and that is His name forever. In one shot this proves Jesus isn't the I AM, YHWH, the God of Abraham, etc.
There are no teachings to pray to Jesus, worship Jesus, or fast for Jesus in Scripture. The only teachings regarding these things are to the Father. Prayer for the Father in Matthew 6:6,9. Worship for the Father in John 4:21-24. Fasting for the Father Matthew 6:16-18. So already the things that one would give to God there are no biblical examples of anyone doing or teaching about doing for Jesus. That's a problem for the case you're making.
Furthermore, Jesus isn't the creator in Scripture. John 1:3, John 1:10, Acts 4:23-27, Acts 17:24-25, Hebrews 1:10. I know you're going to immediately sound off about Colossians 1:16 and maybe Hebrews 1:1-2, but neither say Jesus is the creator. But say God created "through" Jesus in the sense of Jesus being used for instrumentality, but not the one doing the actual creating.
Jesus isn't the Lord of heaven and earth according to Matthew 11:25.
Jesus didn't inherently have the empowerment and anointing to do miracles until his water baptism according to Acts 10:27-38.
Jesus didn't inherently have the power/authority to forgive sins according to Matthew 9:5-8.
Jesus required God to resurrect him and save in John 2:22, Hebrews 5:7.
Jesus didn't ascend to heaven under his own power, but was rather taken to heaven according to Scripture. Luke 24:51.
There are no examples of Jesus saying or doing anything in any form, under any name or title, in the Old Testament.
Jesus is never called eternal or invisible in Scripture. Colossians 1:15 says Jesus isn't the invisible God then 1 Timothy 1:17 says the only God is eternal, invisible, etc.
Jesus is never called the "King of kings and Lord of lords" in Scripture. According to 1 Timothy 6:16, Jesus isn't the only Potentate, "King of kings and Lord of lords", etc.
Jesus is a man according to John 1:30, John 8:40, etc.
God isn't a man according to Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9
Jesus isn't omniscient according to Matthew 24:36.
They kept on describing Jesus separately from God in most of the openings of the letters in the Bible. You can go to each book. All begin with something like "God our Father and the Lord Jesus."
1 Timothy was written some decades after Jesus was taken to heaven. Paul didn't describe Jesus as God, think of Jesus as God, or anything. Paul kept on saying Jesus is a man. It's scripture.
1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
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Runningman
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I don't give up even though people keep saying I am running away. Never have. Never will. I'll be in this thread until there is silence.
You are denying the evidence and rejecting Scripture.
The facts are plain
It was claimed Jesus was prayed to
You denied that
You were shown examples of men praying to Jesus
Then You denied the word prayer was used
You were shown that is false
then you change it to no teaching about prayer to Jesus
That is framing and moving goalposts
Runningman
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That doesn't say it's a prayer directed to Jesus. It says they are praying to the Lord which, based on all precedent and teaching, would be the Father.
Read the Gospels. No one prayed to Jesus.
Nothing in Scripture says to call on the name of Jesus to be saved. It says call on the name of the Lord and quotes the Old Testament where the LORD is YHWH, not Jesus. Jesus' real name, Yeshua, means YHWH saves. There's your clue from who salvation comes from. Deny it if you wish, but it's true. Jesus is clearly not YHWH in Psalm 2:7, Psalm 110:1.It is Calling upon the lord Jesus Christ which saves
Romans 10:6–13 (KJV 1900) — 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
more evidence you just deny
Yours is a common misunderstanding. Where you see the word "Lord" you're conflating them to be the same person. They aren't. There is a Lord of the church and there is a Lord over Jesus. Jesus, being a servant, taught exactly this.
Jesus' Lord is the Father, YHWH.
Matthew 12
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen...
John 13
16Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
John 17
3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
More framing and falsehoods
It was plainly demonstrated Jesus was prayed to
it is plainly demonstrated Jesus was worshiped
Angels were directed to worship Christ (um that is teaching)
You keep making these statements which are either outright false or simply framed as to hide truth
Runningman
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The facts are very plain. What you need to accept is that the only teaching in Scripture regarding prayer is Matthew 6:6,9 where Jesus taught to pray to the Father. There are no examples of anyone "praying" to Jesus in the Bible. This word for prayer does not exist anywhere in Scripture to describe how they were communicating with Jesus.
There are no goalposts for you here. What you are proposing is simply wrong because you're attempting to upset all prior examples of prayer and the teaching regarding prayer with Acts 1 and say they were suddenly praying to Jesus. That's false and it's a very weak argument.
Runningman
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No this is correct. Matthew 6:6,9 only teaches about praying to the Father. Yes?
All prayers in the gospels were to the Father. Yes?
Acts 1:24 says they prayed to the Lord. Yes?
Then based on all prior teaching and example, who did they pray to? Do you deny they prayed to the Father? You're the one fighting uphill here. You're going to need a lot more than just randomly saying "that's Jesus" when you cannot even provide a single teaching to pray to Jesus from the Bible or an example of it happening.
civic
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Yes a quality of God
You ignore context which identified the lord as Jesus
Acts 1:21–24 (KJV 1900) — 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
ignore example
Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
You are ignoring scripture again
Romans 10:1–13 (KJV 1900) — 1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.Sorry you ignore the fact Christ is specifically named as lord among believers. You also ignore context which identifies the lord of believers as Christ
And you post no evidence of a mistake and offer only denial
And believers are servants of their lord Jesus Christ
2 Pet 1:14Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
2 Thess 2:16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2 Thess 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 Cor 1:3Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
Eph 1:17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
1 Cor 5:4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Cor 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Thess 5:28The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Phil 4:23The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Philem 25The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
2 Thess 3:18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rom 16:24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Eph 6:24Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
1 Cor 1:3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 5:20Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1 Cor 1:7So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
James 2:1My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
Rom 13:14But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Rom 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 15:6That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Gal 6:18Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
1 Thess 5:9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Jude 17But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
2 Cor 1:2Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phil 3:20For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Acts 28:31Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Acts 15:26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 6:23Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
His is the name they call on
Acts 9:13–17 (UASV) — 13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your holy ones at Jerusalem; 14 and here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”
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Yes the Spirit is stated to go back to God who gave it - ECCL 12:7
Stephen cries Lord Jesus receive my Spirit
The conclusion is obvious
Stephen also asks Jesus to forgive their sin
Who alone can forgive sin?
civic
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Jesus is called God in Acts
We can see that there is only One Savior who is Lord from both the Old and New Testaments. Now there is a particular poster who claims the book of Acts never refers to Jesus as God. We will see that the word Lord in many places is used in the book of Acts as an equivalent to God.
Isa 43:11
11"I, even I, am the Lord,
And there is no savior besides Me.
Isa 45:21-23
Is it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23"I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
Below we see in fact it is the name of Jesus alone by which men must be saved. There is no other name which can save a man.
Acts 4:12
12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
Here we see Stephen pray to Jesus as he was being stoned which would be forbidden if He were not God. We also see that Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit when he was praying to Jesus.
Acts 7:59-60
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
Jesus is Lord(YHWH) of all with no exceptions
Acts 10:36
"The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)
Acts 14:3
3 Therefore they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord, who was testifying to the word of His grace, granting that signs and wonders be done by their hands.
We see below that it was the name of Jesus whom they proclaimed as Lord. It was Jesus who was preached to the gentiles.
Acts 15:15-18
15 "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN,
AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.
Acts 15:23-26
"The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.
24"Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, 25it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The phrase the word of God is synonymous with the word of the Lord(Jesus,YHWH)
Acts 15:35
But Paul and Barnabas stayed in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others also, the word of the Lord.
Again it is the Lord Jesus who was prayed to and who answers prayers.
Acts 16:14-15
14A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.
Below we see to believe in the Lord(Jesus) is the same as believing in God. In fact we see that they first believed in the Lord Jesus and later referred to that as believing in God therefore calling the Lord Jesus God !!
Acts 16:31-34
31They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.
So we can see that Jesus was preached in the book of Acts as the only One who can save men from their sins. We see He is indeed the Savior. We see He was prayed to under the power of the Holy Spirit and that Jesus answered prayer. They also called the word of God the word of the Lord making Jesus equal with God. We also see that those who believed in the Lord Jesus actually believed in God, therefor calling Jesus God.
We also see the Peter in fact calls Jesus YHWH when he refers to Joel below. When Peter calls Jesus Lord it is the same as calling Him YHWH,
Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.
Acts 2:21
1 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'
Acts 2:34-36
4 "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says:
'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
"SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
35 UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."'
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ — this Jesus whom you crucified."
Acts 4:10-12
0 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead — by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 "He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
It is the same Lord YHWH whom Stephen prayed to as he was dying for his faith in the Lord Jesus who saved him. To deny this is to turn a blind eye to the scriptures. We know from scripture that only God can save(Is 43:11) but we see in Acts that the Lord Jesus saved men from their sin. Had God not become man He could not of died for our sins. Had Jesus not been God He could not save us from sin.
Acts 7:59-60
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.
Jesus,Savior,Lord and God were interchangeable names for the one true God in Acts and the Epistles.
And of course we have YHWH who will be pierced, and He will pour out His Spirit. We know from the NT it was Jesus who would send the Helper,Comforter, Holy Spirit to His disciples and who was pierced.
Zech 12:10-11
10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.
Acts 2:36-40
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ — this Jesus whom you crucified."
37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."
Acts 3:17-20
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. 18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
Angels were directed to worship Christ (um that is teaching)
Hello
How is that not teaching?
You are desperately framing trying to cut the bible up and word your statements in a manner to hide the truth Jesus was worshipped and prayed to
As i stated and you continue showing
You keep making these statements which are either outright false or simply framed as to hide truth
civic
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refuting unitarianism is easy. Do you really love the Son as you claim ?
What we see here from Paul is that he equates Jesus as the source of grace and peace with the Father. Paul clearly identifies Jesus as equal with the Father and expresses His Deity with these invocations in his epistles. Not only is this a prayer from Paul but an act of worship in Paul's letters. Paul is giving Jesus the identical same honor to Jesus as he does to the Father. After all Jesus in His very own words commanded others to honor Him as you do the Father(John 5:23) Jesus thought equality with God was not something He needed to grasp for it was inherent within His nature.(Phil 2,Col 1,John 1, Heb 1, 1 John 1 etc.....) He was God in the flesh(John 1:1,14) He said he who has seen Me has seen the Father and I and the Father are one. Why would you ask to show you the Father ? You are looking at God!!!!!!! Jesus also said before Abraham was born " I Am" ( the self existing One, with no beginning). The case for the deity of Christ is bullet proof in scripture.
Rom 1:7
7 to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
1 Cor 1:3
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1:2
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:3-4
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 1:1-2
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Phil 1:2
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thess 1:1-2
To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Philem 3
3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
conclusion: why do you dishonor the Son and love Him less ( hate ) than you do the Father ?
The lord there is Jesus Christ
Do you deny
Philippians 2:11 (KJV 1900) — 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Um that clearly is a plain falsehood you were shown a number
examples
Acts 7:59–60 (KJV 1900) — 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Acts 1:21–24 (KJV 1900) — 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
You make statement which are biblically false
Really?
Acts 4:9–12 (KJV 1900) — 9 If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole; 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
You have made multiple statements which are refuted by scripture.
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