The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

See Luke 9:40 and Luke 10:2 for help.

what about them.

 

[Runningman]

You are somewhat correct. But you have to consider to whom Jesus speaks words. For example, we are not to suppose that Christ's telling them to tithe herbs means that should do that too.

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no idea what you're talking about.

So you don't have any teacings about praying to Jesus in the bible?

By the way, this is a Christian thread. If you don't have Christian teachings then don try to mislead us.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@Runningman and @Fred

Instead of laughing and mocking at each other, why don’t you try something more exciting?
For example… praying for each other. Look:
Tonight @Runningman could ask The Father to give @Fred one million dollars this Monday
By the same token, @Fred could ask Jesus to give @Runningman one million dollars this Monday.

If @Runningman gets the money, it will mean that @Fred was right. We must pray to Jesus.
If @Fred gets the money, it will mean that @Runningman was right. We must pray to The Father.
If both get the money, it will mean Jesus and The Father exchange classified information about the prayers They get.
If no one gets the million dollars, perhaps we must start praying to Virgin Mary.

 

[mikesw]

??

no idea what you're talking about.

So you don't have any teacings about praying to Jesus in the bible?

By the way, this is a Christian thread. If you don't have Christian teachings then don try to mislead us.

I would have a hard time misleading beyond what you believe now. But I did edit that Jesus was talking to the Pharisees about tithing herbs. That does not mean we should grow herbs so we can tithe them. Scripture passages have context and that means we can learn from Jesus but not every teaching is too us. That can apply to Matt 5-7 too.

 

[Fred]

Look:
Tonight @Runningman could ask The Father to give @Fred one million dollars this Monday
By the same token, @Fred could ask Jesus to give @Runningman one million dollars this Monday.

If @Runningman gets the money, it will mean that @Fred was right. We must pray to Jesus.
If @Fred gets the money, it will mean that @Runningman was right. We must pray to The Father.
If both get the money, it will mean Jesus and The Father exchange classified information about the prayers They get.
If no one gets the million dollars, perhaps we must start praying to Virgin Mary.

A terrible way to test what truth is.
See John 5:39 and Acts 17:11 instead.

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman and @Fred

Instead of laughing and mocking at each other, why don’t you try something more exciting?
For example… praying for each other. Look:
Tonight @Runningman could ask The Father to give @Fred one million dollars this Monday
By the same token, @Fred could ask Jesus to give @Runningman one million dollars this Monday.

If @Runningman gets the money, it will mean that @Fred was right. We must pray to Jesus.
If @Fred gets the money, it will mean that @Runningman was right. We must pray to The Father.
If both get the money, it will mean Jesus and The Father exchange classified information about the prayers They get.
If no one gets the million dollars, perhaps we must start praying to Virgin Mary.

God does unexpected things and generally does not like riches in my experience. What is important to God is the kingdom of heaven and righteousness. After that the money may or may not flow.

 

[TibiasDad]

You have singled out a word that you propose means a prayer to Jesus but when it applies others you change positions. I think no one believes you.

When applied to Deity, it is prayer. However, in modern parlance, the phrase “pray tell” can be used in casual conversation toward anyone.


Doug

 

[Runningman]

When applied to Deity, it is prayer. However, in modern parlance, the phrase “pray tell” can be used in casual conversation toward anyone.


Doug

That is just begging the question. Where was it taught to pray to Jesus in Scripture? if it doesn't exist its's ok so say so. We are 109 pages of this and I am still waiting for someone to confess the truth.

 

[mikesw]

That is just begging the question. Where was it taught to pray to Jesus in Scripture? if it doesn't exist its's ok so say so. We are 109 pages of this and I am still waiting for someone to confess the truth.

Jesus is the Son of God, one of the Trinity, who incarnated and dwelt among humanity and became a sacrifice on our behalf. Someone who denies that will also deny the passages where people prayed to Jesus. We are taught by example in that case. If someone does not like that Jesus did not teach you a daily schedule and rules for daily prayer in a catechism for you, find yourself a religion that tells you everything to do.
your question has no merit in an honest discussion exploring the deity of Christ in the Godhead.

 

[MTMattie]

You will need to do better than that. How do you account for the fact that Jesus spent his time on earth telling people to pray to someone else?

You mean like praying to God when He is God, the son?

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is the Son of God, one of the Trinity, who incarnated and dwelt among humanity and became a sacrifice on our behalf. Someone who denies that will also deny the passages where people prayed to Jesus. We are taught by example in that case. If someone does not like that Jesus did not teach you a daily schedule and rules for daily prayer in a catechism for you, find yourself a religion that tells you everything to do.
your question has no merit in an honest discussion exploring the deity of Christ in the Godhead.

That God sacrificed Himself is not only insane to consider but also impossible. I guess you would have to have had bits and pieces of such thinking taught to you while you were first looking to see what the Bible was about. Because otherwise the concept is just so insane.

 

[mikesw]

That God sacrificed Himself is not only insane to consider but also impossible. I guess you would have to have had bits and pieces of such thinking taught to you while you were first looking to see what the Bible was about. Because otherwise the concept is just so insane.

It certainly is unexpected from the view of natural man who denies all that God does. That is why Christ's death on the cross is so amazing. This is a fulfillment of analogy and prophecy throughout scripture. This is initially found by analogy of Isaac almost being sacrificed. In Christ's death, we have the incarnation of God encountering the pain and suffering just as any non-incarnate person would encounter it.
God has interwoven the themes in an amazing way that we now can view fully. It is sad how people can miss this tapestry that God has woven to reveal the loving gift of God to humanity.

 

[atpollard]

Probably been mentioned already in over 2000 posts, but ...

[Act 8:22, 24 NASB95] 22 "Therefore repent of this wickedness of yours, and pray the Lord that, if possible, the intention of your heart may be forgiven you. ... 24 But Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me yourselves, so that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."​

Lord is "kyrios" ... "he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has the power of deciding; master, lord" ... That would be Jesus for a Christian [Romans 10:8-10].

 

[Runningman]

Jesus is the Son of God, one of the Trinity, who incarnated and dwelt among humanity and became a sacrifice on our behalf. Someone who denies that will also deny the passages where people prayed to Jesus. We are taught by example in that case. If someone does not like that Jesus did not teach you a daily schedule and rules for daily prayer in a catechism for you, find yourself a religion that tells you everything to do.
your question has no merit in an honest discussion exploring the deity of Christ in the Godhead.

Let's see if we can further troubleshoot what you are not understanding. I suspect it is possibly related to you conflating words like appeal, call out, or ask with the word for prayer when they don't have the same nuance or mean the same things. Either in your own words or using the Bible, please provide what the definition for the word prayer is.

 

[Runningman]

You mean like praying to God when He is God, the son?

What do you mean?

 

[mikesw]

What do you mean?

Such simple things remain confusing to you when you misunderstand the broad message.

 

[mikesw]

Let's see if we can further troubleshoot what you are not understanding. I suspect it is possibly related to you conflating words like appeal, call out, or ask with the word for prayer when they don't have the same nuance or mean the same things. Either in your own words or using the Bible, please provide what the definition for the word prayer is.

Your arguments have no relevance to who Christ is. And you overlook passages that speak against you

 

[MTMattie]

What do you mean?

@mikesw understands. And you do not?

How is it you can read the same replies, albeit somewhat worded a little differently, and still have no idea or understanding?

I can assure you that when we read what you post we understand you. And what you are saying. And from where you believe you are right.
But you are not.

I am willing to bet that there never has been a single time in your life that you have said Goodnight or Thank you to the Holy Spirit much less to the one who was pierced and shed His blood for you.

 

[Peterlag]

It certainly is unexpected from the view of natural man who denies all that God does. That is why Christ's death on the cross is so amazing. This is a fulfillment of analogy and prophecy throughout scripture. This is initially found by analogy of Isaac almost being sacrificed. In Christ's death, we have the incarnation of God encountering the pain and suffering just as any non-incarnate person would encounter it.
God has interwoven the themes in an amazing way that we now can view fully. It is sad how people can miss this tapestry that God has woven to reveal the loving gift of God to humanity.

There's no prophecy in the Old Testament that God would encounter pain and suffering just as any non-incarnate person would encounter it. Not even one verse.

 

[mikesw]

There's no prophecy in the Old Testament that God would encounter pain and suffering just as any non-incarnate person would encounter it. Not even one verse.

That is an utterly amazing discovery that you have found. Who would have expected that the prophets had not say "God would encounter pain and suffering to reconcile Israel with himself?" However, your error is not recognizing the pattern God wove through scripture. So you ignorance is recognized as something common to a lay reading of scripture.