Salvation and Unitarians

[praise_yeshua]

I appreciate your observations.

I'm posting Scriptures. I think you are misunderstanding them, if you believe they contradict one another. Can I ask you a question? "Is repentance from the heart a form of "purifying ourselves"? And if not, what is its purpose?

That is good topic. I believe most people repent because they feel they will get "caught". They repent because they do not want to be punished. I call this "compliance". I don't believe compliance satisfies God. Which is why laws can never really change a person to the level of change necessary to please God. God deals with the absolutes of the will. God desires to "Win" us His way of thinking. Real and meaningful repentance is more than just compliance.

Also, repentance is a two way street. Not only must you really change your mind. God must change His. I'm not saying that God rejects true repentance. I am simply stating that repentance is not real if God does not approve of it. This is a personal choice God makes relative to each individual.

I didn't create the Scriptures, I simply believe in them.

You're basically saying that I must believe them even if I don't understand them. Thusly, I'm going to ignore the fact that I presented a explanation that contains a contradiction.

Many Faithful humans, throughout the Holy Scriptures, performed great, even supernatural works as a Flesh and Blood mortal human. If the Spirit of God is in a man, this man has the great power of God. Jesus is a perfect example, in my view, of a flesh and blood mortal endowed with the Spirit of God. I don't believe HE is the only human to receive such power, based on what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

HE is the greatest of those who have such power. Which is confirmation of His nature.

Not since the world began has anyone seen such power.... Remember those words? Jesus Christ never failed in any way. All the apostles failed at some level or another.

That is why we call Him MASTER. No servant is greater than their MASTER.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Just because you have an opinion, doesn't make your opinion a fact.

I'll soon remind that the same is true of both us and repeat your words back to you.

Again, please read my posts and address them. Don't put words in my mouth that I never said.

I have no desire to do such a thing. If you will give adequate answers, I will use them. I think you realize that I've tried to respond to most everything you've written. I don't believe I've had the same privilege that I've given you thus far. I don't expect you to answer everything I say but I have present some difficult questions to answer.

Truly any mortal human, born of a woman, who lived his entire life in obedience to the commandments, Statutes, judgments and Laws of God, would have qualified as an unblemished sacrifice. The Jesus, of the Bible. was the only One who did. And I thank God for that..

I do believe you're treating Christ with more respect and dignity than other Unitarians I've meet. That is why I believe there is hope for you.

That is why I ask that you reconsider your position that Christ can not be both a man and God at the same time.

 

[civic]

I denied nothing, I posted Scripture because I knew from experience with you, that it wouldn't matter what I said, you have already made your judgments.

It is true that Paul and I are not members of the religious sect of this world that you have adopted and are now promoting to others. You could always humble yourself just a smidgin, and actually discuss the Scriptures that I posted. But you choose not to. Nothing I can do about that.

Then answer this question and don't quote scripture. I only gave you one single yes or no question to answer instead of two.

1- Is Jesus a real physical man right now in heaven that still has the same body the disciples saw and touched after He rose from the dead that still contains the marks from His crucifixion with His flesh and bones body ? yes or no

Now we will see who is playing games or being honest.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Studyman]

I said that Jesus was more than a man. That includes being a man. You're using the "1 + 1 = 1" equation. You're denying that God can be both ... GOD and man. My God has such power.

Yes, perhaps your God does. But I am interested in what the Scriptures teach.

John 14: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

There is nothing in those references that denies the fact that Jesus was both man and God.

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Okay. Does the Father serve YOU? What has the Father done for YOU? Jesus is serving us. The Father is serving us. "Sitting on the righthand of God isn't a diminished position relative to Divinity/Deity.

I serve the Father. Jesus is my teacher, savior and advocate between me and His Father and my Father.

It is EQUAL privilege. You're accepting the nonsense of how man made KINGS RULE.... God is not like that brother.

I believe what the scriptures say about God.

In His role in humility, Jesus Christ was made lower. God has highly exalted Him and given Him a name which is above every name.

Yes, and for good reason. Jesus was not persuaded to adopt the religious philosophies of the "children of the devil", in the world God placed Him in. For over 20 years He was surrounded by the religions of this world, but HE overcame because He Lived By "Every Word" which proceeds from the mouth of God, not the philosophies of religious men.

When you "name" God, you must use the name of Jesus Christ. His name is ABOVE every name. Whether it be things on earth or things in heaven....

No doubt the man Jesus, my Savior, was given great Glory and Honor by His Father, who is greater than He, for learning obedience by the things HE suffered.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

You're not agreement with Paul at all here.

The God and Father of the Lord's Christ sent Him from the very beginning, in my view. "Let there be light". He obeyed God in every "WORK" God sent Him to do, including creating all that exists in the heavens, and in the earth, as Paul states here.

How am I not in agreement?

 

[mikesw]

God is presented throughout the Bible as a “Person”, not as a team, council, family or government. Not as an attribute.
Jesus presented God as a “Person”
God, in essence, is not Trinitarian, but One. Shema, Israel: YHWH Our God, YHWH is One.
So, my respectful invitation to you is to accept the Scriptural Testimony of the Scriptures.

A brain. God gave us a brain to think. We must use our brain when reading the Scriptures.
God cannot do evil. It would be against his nature.
God cannot die. It would be against his nature.
God cannot be more than One. It would be against his nature.

The testimony of Jesus is that Our Father is the Only and True God. (John 17:1-3)
I respectfully invite you to join Jesus in recognizing Our Father as the Only and True God.

This Christ raised from the dead left you a message: “Go to My brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ ”. ( John 20:17)

Uh. You misunderstand everything here so you hardly should claim the benefit of man having a brain. Not trying to disrespect you but just using your topic.
You can only know God analogically. He is vastly different. Yet we see man's attempt is to make their god in their own image and maybe fit as a stronger, smarter man of some idealism. It is really backwards thinking to assert the Shema against the Trinitarian doctrine since the Trinitarian doctrine forms with the obvious awareness of the Shema and every other verse of scripture. my respectful invitation to you is to accept the testimony of scriptures.
And how crazy it is to use John 17:1-3 against the divinity of Christ. He is of the Godhead and among man but his message was as the Prophet warning Judea of its need to repent. So please try to up you arguments

For the Shema, I show that the only logical explanation of Gal 3:19-20 is to recognize the divinity of Christ being known and Paul's use of the Shema as inclusive of Christ Jesus.

 

[Studyman]

Then answer this question and don't quote scripture.

I'm not like you Civic. I have not adopted one of this world's religious sects and are now promoting it to others. I know you are asking, not to seek truth, but to justify your adopted religion. I posted the Scriptures, because we don't know what we shall be, for those faithful who receive the reward Jesus brings with Him upon His Return. You can preach to others that you know, but John didn't, therefore I don't believe that you do. I understand you consider yourself a minister of righteousness. But I prefer to place my trust, not in this world's religious sects and businesses, but in the Holy Scriptures, as the "Jesus" of the Bible teaches.

I only gave you one single yes or no question to answer instead of two.

And I answered your questions, not with my words, but with the Holy Scriptures.

1- Is Jesus a real physical man right now in heaven that still has the same body the disciples saw and touched after He rose from the dead that still contains the marks from His crucifixion with His flesh and bones body ? yes or no

According to Scriptures, Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, according to Paul. You don't believe him, that fine, many self-proclaimed ministers of righteousness don't.

Now we will see who is playing games or being honest.

hope this helps !!!

No Civic, you don't "hope this helps".

Seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

 

[Studyman]

I'll soon remind that the same is true of both us and repeat your words back to you.

Yes, it is the Scriptures that are Inspired by God, not my opinions or your opinions. This is why I post them.

I have no desire to do such a thing. If you will give adequate answers, I will use them. I think you realize that I've tried to respond to most everything you've written. I don't believe I've had the same privilege that I've given you thus far. I don't expect you to answer everything I say but I have present some difficult questions to answer.

Thanks again for your observations.

I do believe you're treating Christ with more respect and dignity than other Unitarians I've meet. That is why I believe there is hope for you.

That is my belief as well.

That is why I ask that you reconsider your position that Christ can not be both a man and God at the same time.

As I have said, and will continue to say, I prefer to let the Scriptures define for me who Jesus is and Who His God is.

For me, it's not about assuming what is possible with God, rather, accepting what is written by the Inspiration of God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, perhaps your God does. But I am interested in what the Scriptures teach.

John 14: 28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Christ was on the earth? Right? Christ was a man. As such, He spoke as a man. I agree. This verse does nothing to diminish His Divinity. Remember I said Christ was BOTH. I don't why you insist on ignoring that I said Christ was BOTH.

Yes, and for good reason. Jesus was not persuaded to adopt the religious philosophies of the "children of the devil", in the world God placed Him in. For over 20 years He was surrounded by the religions of this world, but HE overcame because He Lived By "Every Word" which proceeds from the mouth of God, not the philosophies of religious men.

Christ made this world and all things therein. He was before this world and through Him all things consist.

Yet, you're insisting that Christ could be dissuaded. You can. I can. Christ couldn't. Christ is Eternally Impeccable.

No doubt the man Jesus, my Savior, was given great Glory and Honor by His Father, who is greater than He, for learning obedience by the things HE suffered.

Remember BOTH. That is my argument. Tell me why Christ can not be God. Give me a reason. I haven't seen one yet. You're accept the philosophies of Unitarians.

The God and Father of the Lord's Christ sent Him from the very beginning, in my view. "Let there be light". He obeyed God in every "WORK" God sent Him to do, including creating all that exists in the heavens, and in the earth, as Paul states here.

How am I not in agreement?

No mere man could ever do such things. Not even a man filled with the Spirit of God. Prove it.

The proof this is true in found in the fact no other man did the same. Not even the apostles.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, it is the Scriptures that are Inspired by God, not my opinions or your opinions. This is why I post them.

I must have done a poor job of relating what I meant. I will simply saying that what you said was true of both of us. See how are individual but the same?

You insist upon denying.

For me, it's not about assuming what is possible with God, rather, accepting what is written by the Inspiration of God.

I agree. However, I'm asking you to consider what I'm saying to be possible with God.

 

[101G]

God is the Ultimate Source of All Good: salvation, grace, forgiveness, etc. but He operates towards humans through instruments.
Jesus is an instrument of God. He declared to speak and do the things His Father (the Only and True God) asked Him to speak and do.

So, if God called you through a beautiful book written by Pastor Jones, you could verily say "God called me", "Jesus called me", or "Pastor Jones called me". All statements will be true, inasmuch as each of them addresses a given level of agency.

Hope this helps to clarify. Please let me know if you would like more discussion about the issue of direct and indirect agencies.

First thanks for the reply, and second, True, God, (who is JESUS, the Lord by Name), is the ONLY ONE who is salvation for all. pastor Jones, or any pastor is not the Lord Jesus, but his servant. for it is the Lord God JESUS that is in the pastor, or whoever is in service to the Lord.

now, as for the title Father and Son, they, (these title), are not biological identifiers. JESUS who is "LORD" in the beginning, as the Ordinal First of HIMSELFE, CREATED, and MADE ALL THINGS, hence the title "Father". and this same JESUS, who is "Lord", the same God, now diversified in Flesh and Blood, as the Ordinal Last, REDEEMED, and SAVED all that he made in the beginning, hence the title "Son".

hope that helped. thanks, and be blessed.

101G

 

[civic]

I'm not like you Civic. I have not adopted one of this world's religious sects and are now promoting it to others. I know you are asking, not to seek truth, but to justify your adopted religion. I posted the Scriptures, because we don't know what we shall be, for those faithful who receive the reward Jesus brings with Him upon His Return. You can preach to others that you know, but John didn't, therefore I don't believe that you do. I understand you consider yourself a minister of righteousness. But I prefer to place my trust, not in this world's religious sects and businesses, but in the Holy Scriptures, as the "Jesus" of the Bible teaches.



And I answered your questions, not with my words, but with the Holy Scriptures.



According to Scriptures, Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, according to Paul. You don't believe him, that fine, many self-proclaimed ministers of righteousness don't.



No Civic, you don't "hope this helps".

Seek God's Truth, not self-justification.

So you deny Jesus is still a real man with a real human body of flesh and bones that still has the marks in His body from the crucifixion.

Its good to know you deny the core doctrine of the gospel- the bodily Resurrection/ Ascension of Christ.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Studyman]

Christ was on the earth? Right? Christ was a man. As such, He spoke as a man. I agree. This verse does nothing to diminish His Divinity. Remember I said Christ was BOTH. I don't why you insist on ignoring that I said Christ was BOTH.

Yes, you said Jesus the man, was also immortal God. I don't believe the Scriptures support this very popular religious philosophy.

Christ made this world and all things therein. He was before this world and through Him all things consist.

It is written that God created the heavens and the earth, and that His Son, the Christ, when HE was up where HE was before, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth"

Yet, you're insisting that Christ could be dissuaded. You can. I can. Christ couldn't. Christ is Eternally Impeccable.

You and this world's religions preach that Christ had God powers no other human ever had access to. And only by these powers, was HE able to overcome the evil influence of this world. I don't believe this is true, according to Scriptures.

Remember BOTH. That is my argument. Tell me why Christ can not be God. Give me a reason. I haven't seen one yet. You're accept the philosophies of Unitarians.

I know your argument sir, an argument promoted by this world's religions since before either of us were even born. That Jesus overcame temptation of this world because HE wasn't a man like other men, but because HE was God, and had powers God withheld from all other humans, and by these powers HE overcame. This philosophy, popular as it is, diminishes the efforts and sacrifice of the Christ in my view. If He was God, then HE risked nothing, and only did what everyone of us could do, if we were Gods.

This philosophy goes hand in hand with the foundation of many of this world's religious sects and businesses, and that is that only a God could obey the Commandments of God which they preach to the world are an impossible to obey "Yoke of Bondage". They support this heresy by claiming Jesus had to be God, in order to obey the Commandment's HE placed on mankind. If Jesus overcame sin by Faith in His Father, they are all exposed. But if they can convince the masses that only a God could obey God, their lawless religion is justified.

Jesus said His Father gave Him His Power. And this is also true of any Faithful man in the Holy Scriptures. And I believe Him.

No mere man could ever do such things. Not even a man filled with the Spirit of God. Prove it.

Heb. 11: 32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: 33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

I wouldn't attempt limit the power of the Spirit of God which resides in mortal man through Faith. Did anyone have more Faith in His Father and my Father, than the Lord Jesus Christ?

John 14: 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

The proof this is true in found in the fact no other man did the same. Not even the apostles.

The teaching that no man repented and became obedient to God is certainly not Biblical. The very word "Christian" was to represent men who repented and became like Jesus, a humble obedient man who "Yielded Himself" a servant to obey God.

But this philosophy is rejected by this world's religions, and sadly, it seems maybe you have also been influenced by this most popular of religious philosophies.

The whole point of Christ's existence, in my view, is to give men another chance at being obedient like Him. To "Serve" the Living God, like Jesus did. And the Christ risked His Immortality, to give me that chance.

Yes, the other voice in the garden will convince many that obeying God is not Christlike, or not important, or doesn't matter in terms of living or dying. I advocate that men listen to what is actually written.

 

[Studyman]

So you deny Jesus is still a real man with a real human body of flesh and bones that still has the marks in His body from the crucifixion.

I'm just posting Scriptures. You are free to believe them, or reject them.

Its good to know you deny the core doctrine of the gospel- the bodily Resurrection/ Ascension of Christ.

Jesus ascended before coming back down to speak with James. I believe HE went up to the Kingdom of Heaven. Paul said Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But you must reject all Scriptures that doesn't align with the image of God you have adopted as your own.

You are free to do so, but I'm sticking to what the Scriptures actually teach.

 

[civic]

I'm just posting Scriptures. You are free to believe them, or reject them.



Jesus ascended before coming back down to speak with James. I believe HE went up to the Kingdom of Heaven. Paul said Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But you must reject all Scriptures that doesn't align with the image of God you have adopted as your own.

You are free to do so, but I'm sticking to what the Scriptures actually teach.

Nice try you are rejecting the central/core teaching of Jesus and the Apostles- the literal, physical bodily Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus. This is the very heart of the gospel. So you have a false gospel and christ. It's the very spirit of antichrist as per 1 John 4:2-3 and 2 John 1:7- Denying Jesus came in the flesh and remains in the flesh in the present.

You do not even know the meaning of son of man in the Bible. If you did then you would affirm Jesus is still a literal physical man.


Son of man
— (1.) Denotes mankind generally, with special reference to their weakness and frailty (Job 25:6; Ps 8:4; 144:3; 146:3; Isa 51:12, etc.).


(2.) It is a title frequently given to the prophet Ezekiel, probably to remind him of his human weakness.


(3.) In the New Testament it is used forty-three times as a distinctive title of the Saviour. In the Old Testament it is used only in Ps 80:17 and Dan 7:13 with this application. It denotes the true humanity of our Lord. He had a true body (Heb 2:14; Luke 24:39) and a rational soul. He was perfect man.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

"Son of man" is a common term in the Psalms, used to accentuate the difference between God and human beings. As in Ps. viii. 4 (A. V. 5), the phrase implies "mortality," "impotence," "transientness,"as against the omnipotence and eternality of God. Yhwh looks down from His throne in heaven upon the "children," or "sons," of "man" (Ps. xi. 4, xxxiii. 13). The faithful fail among them (Ps. xii. 2 [A. V. 1]); the seed of Yhwh's enemies will not abide among the "children of men" (Ps. xxi. 10). "Children of men" is thus equivalent to "mankind" (Ps. xxxvi. 8 [A. V. 7], lxvi. 5).
"Sons of men," or "children of men," designates also the slanderers and evil-doers in contrast to the righteous, that is, Israel (Ps. lvii. 5 [A. V. 4], lviii. 2 [A. V. 1]). It occurs most frequently, however, as a synonym for "mankind," "the human race" (Ps. xc. 3, cvii. 8, cxv. 16, cxlv. 12); it has this sense also in the passage in which wisdom is said to delight with the "sons of men" (Prov. viii. 31). Job(xvi. 21) employs the expression in the passionate plea for his rights while he is contending against God and against his neighbors. But Bildad insists that the "son of man," who is a mere worm, can not be justified with God (Job xxv. 4-6). In the same spirit the prophet (Isa. li. 12) censures Israel for being afraid of "the son of man which shall be made as grass" when Yhwh is their Comforter; but in Isa. lvi. 2-3 the Sabbath is extolled as making the "son of man" (i.e., any man, regardless of birth) blessed; indeed, God has His eyes "open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways" (Jer. xxxii. 19). Jewish Encyclopedia


Matt 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Matt 13:40-41
"As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.

Matt 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Matt 17:9
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."

Matt 24:27-31
For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 "Immediately after the distress of those days
"'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matt 24:44
So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matt 25:31-33
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Matt 26:64-66
"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.

Acts 7:54-60
When they heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 "Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

Rev 14:14
And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one like a son of man, having a golden crown on His head, and a sharp sickle in His hand.

conclusion: Jesus is still a man, the son of man with a real physical human body.

hope this helps !!!!

 

[civic]

@Studyman are you a Jehovah Witness ? yes or no

your beliefs about Jesus are identical to the JW's.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, you said Jesus the man, was also immortal God. I don't believe the Scriptures support this very popular religious philosophy.dying. I advocate that men listen to what is actually written.

If you ignore what Jesus said, you can be part of the very most popular Unitarian philosophy. There are far more Unitarians in this world than there are those who believe Jesus Christ is God. That is just simple fact.

You and this world's religions preach that Christ had God powers no other human ever had access to. And only by these powers, was HE able to overcome the evil influence of this world. I don't believe this is true, according to Scriptures.

Yes. Christ is better than you are. Lets leave all the others out of this. Lets make this personal. Is Christ better and more powerful than you are?

I can wholeheartedly say that Christ is more powerful than I am. I can wholeheartedly say that Christ is more powerful than any man. I ask that you name just one man that had the power Christ has? Just one. Until you do, I don't expect to read a meaningful response from you.

I know your argument sir, an argument promoted by this world's religions since before either of us were even born. That Jesus overcame temptation of this world because HE wasn't a man like other men, but because HE was God, and had powers God withheld from all other humans, and by these powers HE overcame. This philosophy, popular as it is, diminishes the efforts and sacrifice of the Christ in my view. If He was God, then HE risked nothing, and only did what everyone of us could do, if we were Gods.

Then prove you're EXACTLY like Christ. God never told anyone to be my Master. Are you my Master?

The teaching that no man repented and became obedient to God is certainly not Biblical. The very word "Christian" was to represent men who repented and became like Jesus, a humble obedient man who "Yielded Himself" a servant to obey God.

I never said that no man has repented. I explained myself well. Quote me. I said that what you view a repentance is not often repentance at all. You preach compliance only. I do not. I believe a man must do more than comply. He must agree with God. Two can not walk together accept they agree. People lie all the time about agreeing. It is called compliance.

The whole point of Christ's existence, in my view, is to give men another chance at being obedient like Him. To "Serve" the Living God, like Jesus did. And the Christ risked His Immortality, to give me that chance.

That is certainly a popular worldly philosophy you have there. You're not a Master of anyone. Jesus is. Why are you not my Master if you're just like Jesus?

Yes, the other voice in the garden will convince many that obeying God is not Christlike, or not important, or doesn't matter in terms of living or

There many voices in this world. None without significance. There is no reason to imply that I'm listening to Satan.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@Studyman are you a Jehovah Witness ? yes or no

your beliefs about Jesus are identical to the JW's.

Sounds like it to me too. Didn't want to label him since he doesn't like labels unless he uses them himself.

You know... all those bad Trinitarians. Everyone does it. We at least need to recognize it as being true of everyone and move pass the posturing on this.

 

[Studyman]

Nice try you are rejecting the central/core teaching of Jesus and the Apostles- the literal, physical bodily Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus.

1 Cor. 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

The reason why I "came out of" your religion years ago, is because to partake of it, I must reject so much of what is written.

1 John 3: 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

You want to promote that God's Law is a Yoke of bondage God placed on the necks of His People who placed their trust in Him, you are free to promote this lie, I can only show what the scriptures teach, I can stop you from corrupting them.

You can promote that the Spirit of God was not capable of "Changing a man" in his heart, AKA, "become born again", prior to the church of God under His New High Priesthood which obeyed God in the Feasts of the Lord if you want. I can show you the Scriptures, but I can't make you believe them.

And you can promote that Jesus was flesh and blood that inherited the Kingdom of God if you want as well.

You and the Calvinists and JW's and the Methodists can all promote your own specific religion, as prophesied, if you want. But I am not obligated to deny what is actually written, just to grow the bottom line of your religious business.

This is the very heart of the gospel.

Your gospel perhaps, but not the Gospel of the Christ "of the Bible", a Gospel where it is found written therein, "The Just shall live by Faith".

So you have a false gospel and christ. It's the very spirit of antichrist as per 1 John 4:2-3 and 2 John 1:7- Denying Jesus came in the flesh and remains in the flesh in the present.

LOL, what else do you have but tale bearing and false accusations. It is written; "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which "I had with thee" before the world was.

You are free to peddle your religious philosophy that Jesus was flesh and blood when HE was with His Father before the world began, and was God when HE came to earth, and is now again, Flesh and Blood in the kingdom of heaven.

It is brain damage to imply such things, and yet, this is the very foundation of the religious sect you have adopted.

I wish you would reconsider your adopted religion and place your faith in the Christ "of the Bible". But your mission is to convert others to your specific religion, so it seems you will not be persuaded to do so.

It is my hope nevertheless.

You do not even know the meaning of son of man in the Bible. If you did then you would affirm Jesus is still a literal physical man.

No doubt you believe in the Jesus of this world we are warned about in scriptures. With his long hair and perfect profile, and the high days you guys created in worship of this popular image of God. Nevertheless, I'm sticking to the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, and His Son, who HE sent to show men in the way that I should go.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman are you a Jehovah Witness ? yes or no

your beliefs about Jesus are identical to the JW's.

No.

My beliefs are not, and you know it.

But you must deflect from the Scriptures and turn the tables somehow.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No.

My beliefs are not, and you know it.

But you must deflect from the Scriptures and turn the tables somehow.

Can you list a couple of beliefs that you reject from the Jehovah Witnesses?

I admit that you sound very similar to me. I get the same thing sometimes. People believe I'm an Open Theist even though I've argued extensively against how they construct and reference their beliefs. I feel I have a distinct position contrary to their preaching. I find it offensive to the Gospel of Jesus Christ to say that God's promises are only possibilities. They are certainties. Not possibilities.

Just to give an meaningful example.