Runningman
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Proves Jesus isn’t equal with God. Christians also receive glory as well, but notice the Lamb isn’t being worshipped anywhere. Oops.
Unitarians should be like the Father!
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Not in equality with the Father by all creation.
Simple.
Yeah, I know you keep slipping.
civic
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Jesus is worshipped on His glory are you ?
Runningman
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Jesus doesn't either. What's your point?
Runningman
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Not according to Scripture. That's where we keep disconnecting man. You don't actually believe the Bible.
civic
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projecting many verses show Jesus is worshiped by those He healed , His disciples and the Angels He created.
next fallacy
Runningman
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Kingly worship of a human, not meant for deification purposes. Similar to how Nathan worshipped the king. There are many such examples of bowing, which can be translated as worship, in the Bible, but no example of Jesus being bowed to ever says it was as God.
For your theory to be true, you have to essentially claim Nathan the prophet committed idolatry.
1 Kings 1
23And they will announce to the king, saying, Behold, Nathan the prophet. And he will come in before the king, and he will worship to the king upon his face to the earth.
civic
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nice try lol.
Jesus is worshiped by all creation because He is God and a Divine King, not a human king that is a sinner.
next fallacy
civic
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Amen
Runningman
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Verse?
Runningman
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"By all creation?" Where did you imagine that at?
Pancho Frijoles
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May I ask you, Fred, what was the role of The Father in creation?
Pancho Frijoles
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Nobody has been able to give a simple example, as simple as necessary, of worshiping Jesus in real life, other than talking/writing about worshiping Jesus.
If we are UNABLE to show what worshiping Jesus means, how relevant is for us to discuss if He is being worshiped?
Could we go back to the biblical texts in which some individuals worshiped Christ?
For example, the Wise Men coming from the East, or the apostles after having seen Jesus walking on water, or any other episode?
Can we visualize what exactly they did, so that the inspired author could write "and they worshiped Him"?
I guess it could be a good exercise. Somebody interested in bringing the first episode of this worshiping?
He created.
Pancho Frijoles
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What does this mean in your opinion?
I know this is far beyond our human limitations, but speaking in human terms so that we can understand your position in this matter,
Did the Father planned the creation? directed the creation? executed the creation?
Do you think that the Father keeps creating?
Do you think that the Father has any role in sustaining what He has created? (I mean, keeping things working)
Yep. I live inside of other men too.
God is a Spirit, according to the man Jesus, “of the Bible”. So if the Spirit in that Jesus, was the Spirit of God, isn’t that the Spirit that lives in Others?
You are simply a mortal man, how can your spirit exist in other men, unless the Spirit of God is not in them?
praise_yeshua
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It was a comment to show how silly the thought would be to believe anyone everything Jesus does. Including YOU. Including ME.
I see you understand now. Good.
You are incapable of possessing the entirety of the Spirit of God. Jesus was different than you are. God.
John 3:34 For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.
praise_yeshua
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I know you don't worship Jesus. You're always doing your best to "drag Jesus down". No one should follow you. Do you expect others to follow you? I sure pity the person that does. I asked you about this earlier when you talked about that hooker you didn't sleep with.
I mean what do you call someone that throws themselves at someone else? Wife?
From this point forward, I'm going treat you like "an enemy of God".... because you are.
You're insisting that anyone is accepted of God regardless of most any circumstances. You're basically preaching Universalism which removed the necessity of Jesus Christ.
Has anyone worshipped you? Did that "hooker" worship you. There are many examples in the Scriptures where mere men were worshipped. Do you care to review them. I believe you've experience "Man Worship" yourself.
Did you enjoy it? I bet you did.
Mark 13: 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (This is because the Word's HE speaks, are from His Father, at least according to Him) 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
So I agree with you that no human can possess "the entirety of the Spirit of God". Not even His Son, the Lord's Christ, as HE tells you Himself. And I also agree with you that Jesus is different than me. I have done things I knew were wrong, that I knew God commanded against. Jesus never did. If something was wrong, according to His Father, HE didn't do it.
But now I am on a different path. The Path Jesus instructs me to strive for, the Path HE walked. It is a way of life for me. A journey, an Exodus from the sinful life I once partook of, to the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Just like Jesus was as HE walked this earth.
I'm not ashamed that I believe in this Jesus, and I would invite everyone to step back from this world's religions, and follow the Christ "of the bible" on the same journey.
John 3: 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure "unto him".
("unto him" was added by translators of the KJV, it doesn't exist in many translations. God gives His Spirit to all messengers HE sends. But none of them, even the man Jesus, His only begotten Son, knows when this world will be dissolved.)
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
