Predestination and Determinism

The Bible teaches that faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of Christ/God (depending on translation). That's not the same thing as faith comes by hearing the word of Christ.
Elaborate-are you making a distinction between-

Ro 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


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*Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the Good News of Christ, because it is the power of God for salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first, and also for the Greek.

Ro 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?

Lk 16:29-31 [29] “But Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’ [30] “He said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ [31] “He said to him, ‘If they don’t listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead.’”

1Co 1:18-24 [18] For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [19] For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise. I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing.” [20] Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Hasn’t God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [21] For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn’t know God, it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe. [22] For Jews ask for signs, Greeks seek after wisdom, [23] but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Greeks, [24] but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God;

Col 1:4-6 [4] having heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love which you have toward all the saints, [5] because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the Good News [6] which has come to you, even as it is in all the world and is bearing fruit and growing, as it does in you also, since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth,

1Th 2:13 For this cause we also thank God without ceasing that when you received from us the word of the message of God, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, God’s word, which also works in you who believe.

2Th 2:13-14 [13] But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth, [14] to which he called you through our Good News, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Jas 1:18-21 [18] Of his own will he gave birth to us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. [19] So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger; [20] for the anger of man doesn’t produce the righteousness of God. [21] Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

1Pe 1:23-25 [23] having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever. [24] For, “All flesh is like grass, and all of man’s glory like the flower in the grass. The grass withers, and its flower falls; [25] but the Lord’s word endures forever.” This is the word of Good News which was preached to you.

1Pe 2:1-2 [1] Putting away therefore all wickedness, all deceit, hypocrisies, envies, and all evil speaking, [2] as newborn babies, long for the pure spiritual milk, that with it you may grow,

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*Mk 4:24 He said to them, “Take heed what you hear. With whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you; and more will be given to you who hear.

Je 23:28-29 [28] The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream; and he who has my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the straw to the wheat?” says Yahweh. [29] “Isn’t my word like fire?” says Yahweh; “and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?

Lk 8:11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Lk 8:21 But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”

Lk 11:28 But he said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and keep it.”

2Co 2:17 For we are not as so many, peddling the word of God. But as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God, we speak in Christ.

Heb 4:12-13 [12] For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. [13] There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account.

Re 1:9 I John, your brother and partner with you in the oppression, Kingdom, and perseverance in Christ Jesus, was on the isle that is called Patmos because of God’s Word and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

--or some audible hearing-apart from scriptures?
 
  1. Faith does not originate from within us naturally. We are not born with an innate ability to believe. 12
  2. Faith is a gift from God, not something we can muster up through our own willpower or effort. 124
  3. The Bible teaches that faith comes through hearing the word of Christ. It is imparted to us as we hear and respond to the gospel message. 1
  4. Jesus is described as the "Author" or "Originator" of our faith. He is the one who inaugurates and pioneers the path of faith in our lives. 1
  5. While we have a responsibility to exercise and respond in faith, the source and foundation of that faith is God Himself. It is not something that originates from us independently. 14
So in summary, if faith does not come from God as a gift, then it does not truly originate from the individual either. Faith is not a human product, but a divine enablement that allows us to trust and believe. The Bible presents faith as something that is granted to us by God, not something we generate on our own. The responsibility is ours to respond, but the source of faith is God.

Romans 10:17: "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ." This verse explicitly states that faith originates from hearing the message about Christ.

Given revelation man can believe

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?

Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Jesus clearly states he hides truth for some as otherwise they would repent and be forgiven



Mark 4:10–12 (ESV) — 10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that “ ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’ ”




unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Mat 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.





The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.



What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?


John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?

Miracles have power to bring about faith

notice how so many verses affirm that given revelation man can believe

BTW

Romans 10:8–17 (ESV) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

fully supports what I stated

and faith is not the gift of Eph 2:8 salvation is

Not only is that the testimony of scripture

Romans 6:23 (ESV) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 4:10–14 (ESV) — 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

but verse 9 makes no sense if faith is the gift

Ephesians 2:9 (ESV) — 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

To argue faith is not a result of works is something no one would ever argue

but confirming salvation is not of works is quite consistent with Paul's overall message of the book of Romans
 
  1. Faith does not originate from within us naturally. We are not born with an innate ability to believe.
I think many don't understand the structure of this whole subject and theme of how God means for it to be understood. Are we born with as you pout it an innate ability to believe? YES but come things need to be understood. If the one understands the gracious and loving character of the one talking to them then YES they have an ability to believe. Believing is founded upon trust and the knowledge of the LOVE of the other. If one things of a child knowing it's mother.....YES they have the ability to believe. We can with God for there is no difference. If one grasps his love and integrity and they KNOW what he said he'll do they innately can have FAITH.
 
Elaborate-are you making a distinction between-

Ro 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The scripture makes the distinction. I don't need to. If the message was "faith comes by hearing the word of God", then that's what it would say. But it doesn't say that.
 
Given revelation man can believe

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?

Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

You should be tried for "scripture abuse" the way you keep repeating and interpreting that.
 
So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

fully supports what I stated

and faith is not the gift of Eph 2:8 salvation is
The clear biblical teaching is that faith is a gift from God, not something that originates from within us naturally. Here are the key Scripture references that support this:

Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Philippians 1:29 - "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."

Acts 3:16 - "And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus is the reason he has been given this perfect health in the presence of you all."

2 Peter 1:1 - "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ."

Hebrews 12:2 - "looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."

This should be clear that faith is not something we possess naturally or generate on our own, but is a gift that comes from God. It is granted to us by God's grace and through the work of Jesus Christ. The Bible consistently presents faith as a divine enablement, not a human achievement.
Eph 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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*Eph 2:5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Ro 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

2Th 1:9 who will pay the penalty: eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

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*Ro 3:22-26 [22] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, [23] for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; [24] being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God sent to be an atoning sacrifice through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness through the passing over of prior sins, in God’s forbearance; [26] to demonstrate his righteousness at this present time, that he might himself be just and the justifier of him who has faith in Jesus.

*Ro 4:16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace, to the end that the promise may be sure to all the offspring, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who disbelieves will be condemned.

Lk 7:50 He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”

Jn 3:14-18 [14] As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, [15] that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [17] For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him. [18] He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.

Jn 3:36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”

Jn 5:24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Jn 6:27-29 [27] Don’t work for the food which perishes, but for the food which remains to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For God the Father has sealed him.” [28] They said therefore to him, “What must we do, that we may work the works of God?” [29] Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

Jn 6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will not be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

Jn 6:40 This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Ac 13:39 and by him everyone who believes is justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Ac 15:7-9 [7] When there had been much discussion, Peter rose up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that a good while ago God made a choice among you that by my mouth the nations should hear the word of the Good News and believe. [8] God, who knows the heart, testified about them, giving them the Holy Spirit, just like he did to us. [9] He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Ac 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Ro 4:5 But to him who doesn’t work, but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness.

Ro 10:9-10 [9] that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation.

Ga 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Ga 3:22 But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

1Jn 5:10-12 [10] He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who doesn’t believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. [11] The testimony is this: that God gave to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [12] He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn’t have God’s Son doesn’t have the life.

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*Jas 1:16-18 [16] Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers. [17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation nor turning shadow. [18] Of his own will he gave birth to us by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.

Eph 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might

Mt 16:17 Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Jn 1:12-13 [12] But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: [13] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jn 6:37 All those whom the Father gives me will come to me. He who comes to me I will in no way throw out.

Jn 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up in the last day.

Jn 6:65 He said, “For this cause I have said to you that no one can come to me, unless it is given to him by my Father.”

Ac 14:27 When they had arrived and had gathered the assembly together, they reported all the things that God had done with them, and that he had opened a door of faith to the nations.

Ac 16:14 A certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, one who worshiped God, heard us. The Lord opened her heart to listen to the things which were spoken by Paul.

Ro 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher?

Ro 10:17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Php 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf,

Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Reciprocal
Job 40:14 Then I will also admit to you that your own right hand can save you.

Ps 6:4 Return, Yahweh. Deliver my soul, and save me for your loving kindness’ sake.

Ps 25:7 Don’t remember the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions. Remember me according to your loving kindness, for your goodness’ sake, Yahweh.

Ps 27:13 I am still confident of this: I will see the goodness of Yahweh in the land of the living.

Ps 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous is from Yahweh. He is their stronghold in the time of trouble.

Ps 105:45 that they might keep his statutes, and observe his laws. Praise Yah!

Ps 111:2 Yahweh’s works are great, pondered by all those who delight in them.

Is 41:20 that they may see, know, consider, and understand together, that Yahweh’s hand has done this, and the Holy One of Israel has created it.

Is 55:1 “Hey! Come, everyone who thirsts, to the waters! Come, he who has no money, buy, and eat! Yes, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Ho 14:2 Take words with you, and return to Yahweh. Tell him, “Forgive all our sins, and accept that which is good; so we offer bulls as we vowed of our lips.

Ho 14:4 “I will heal their waywardness. I will love them freely; for my anger is turned away from them.

Zec 4:7 Who are you, great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you are a plain; and he will bring out the capstone with shouts of ‘Grace, grace, to it!’”

Mt 20:9 “When those who were hired at about the eleventh hour came, they each received a denarius.

Mt 21:29 He answered, ‘I will not,’ but afterward he changed his mind, and went.

Mk 2:5 Jesus, seeing their faith, said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”

Mk 4:11 He said to them, “To you is given the mystery of God’s Kingdom, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables,

Mk 9:24 Immediately the father of the child cried out with tears, “I believe. Help my unbelief!”

Lk 8:15 Those in the good ground, these are those who with an honest and good heart, having heard the word, hold it tightly, and produce fruit with perseverance.

Lk 15:32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.’”

Lk 18:27 But he said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

Jn 1:16 From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most certainly I tell you, unless one is born of water and Spirit, he can’t enter into God’s Kingdom.

Jn 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”

Ac 13:43 Now when the synagogue broke up, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas; who, speaking to them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.

Ac 13:48 As the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of God. As many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Ac 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they are.”

Ac 18:27 When he had determined to pass over into Achaia, the brothers encouraged him; and wrote to the disciples to receive him. When he had come, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace;

Ac 20:24 But these things don’t count; nor do I hold my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to fully testify to the Good News of the grace of God.

Ac 26:18 to open their eyes, that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Ro 3:12 They have all turned away. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not so much as one.”

Ro 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

Ro 3:27 Where then is the boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

Ro 4:6 Even as David also pronounces blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Ro 5:15 But the free gift isn’t like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

Ro 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

Ro 6:17 But thanks be to God that, whereas you were bondservants of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were delivered.

Ro 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Ro 12:1 Therefore I urge you, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service.

1Co 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,

1Co 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

1Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am. His grace which was given to me was not futile, but I worked more than all of them; yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God and not from ourselves.

Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Php 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Col 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love,

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to always give thanks to God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth,

2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before times eternal,

Tt 1:1 Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s chosen ones and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,

Tt 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

Tt 3:4-5 [4] But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared, [5] not by works of righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Heb 6:4 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

Jas 2:14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him?

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1Pe 1:5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Re 7:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation be to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”


Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


James is addressing the relationship between faith and works in the life of a believer. He is arguing against the notion that a person can have genuine faith without it being accompanied by good works.
The key points in the context are:
James asserts that faith without works is dead and useless (v.17). True faith will naturally result in good deeds.
James challenges the idea that someone can claim to have faith while not demonstrating it through their actions (v.18). He argues that true faith can be seen through one's works.
James points out that even demons "believe" in God, but this intellectual assent alone does not constitute saving faith (v.19).
James uses the example of Abraham being "justified by works" when he offered Isaac as a demonstration that true faith leads to obedience and good works (vv.21-23).
The key verse, James 2:24, states that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. This does not contradict the doctrine of salvation by faith alone, but rather emphasizes that genuine faith will always result in good works.
The overall context is James addressing a misunderstanding about the relationship between faith and works, arguing that true faith will be evidenced by a life of obedience and good deeds. He is not rejecting salvation by faith, but rather defining what true, living faith looks like.

Faith alone does NOT save anyone.
 
I think many don't understand the structure of this whole subject and theme of how God means for it to be understood. Are we born with as you pout it an innate ability to believe? YES but come things need to be understood. If the one understands the gracious and loving character of the one talking to them then YES they have an ability to believe. Believing is founded upon trust and the knowledge of the LOVE of the other. If one things of a child knowing it's mother.....YES they have the ability to believe. We can with God for there is no difference. If one grasps his love and integrity and they KNOW what he said he'll do they innately can have FAITH.
@Rockson I'm not here "pouting"-you are jumping in at the end of the discussion and would suggest start from the beginning-that's how it work.
 
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

James points out that even demons "believe" in God, but this intellectual assent alone does not constitute saving faith (v.19).

This points to a pet peeve of mine. When people say "I believe in God", what do they mean? That they believe God exists? Or that they have faith in God? You can't know unless they elaborate on what they mean. That makes the statement "I believe in God" pretty meaningless on its own.

Obviously, as you have pointed out, "I believe God exists" is not faith.
 
The clear biblical teaching is that faith is a gift from God, not something that originates from within us naturally. Here are the key Scripture references that support this:

Ephesians 2:8-9 - "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Nope already addressed salvation is the gift

Scripture confirms that Rom 6:23 John 4:10-14 joh 6:27-35

Eph 2:9 makes no sense if faith is the Gift
Philippians 1:29 - "For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake."


Granted not effectually caused

Those at Philippi were granted faith by God sending Paul to preach to them

Acts 16:7–12 (KJV 1900) — 7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. 11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis; 12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.


Acts 3:16 - "And his name—by faith in his name—has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus is the reason he has been given this perfect health in the presence of you all."
A rather difficult syntax


3:16 Peter turned to the true source of the miracle. Emphasizing the importance of the name of Jesus (stated twice) in this v. produces difficulties for a word-for-word tr. in Eng. Descriptions like “intolerable clumsy” (Barrett 1.198) and “contorted syntax” (Bock 172) are value judgments that are not helpful. Carefully walking through the sentence’s structure is the most helpful procedure. The prep. phrase ἐπὶ τῇ πίστει is fronted for emphasis. Many EVV tr. it as an instr. “by,” but it is more naturally understood as causal “upon faith in his name” (BHGNT 57; Harris 138; see NASB). The major question is whose faith? There are three options.

1. Faith of the apostles. In this sense, it is the faith of the apostles who used the name of Jesus. The trouble with this interpretation is that it lends itself to understanding the name of Jesus as a magical phrase. Barrett concludes that the v. itself points to the faith itself, not the name wielded as the agent of the healing (Barrett 1.200). It is more possible that the apostle acted in faith wielding the authority of Jesus. As Keener states, “Peter acted in Jesus’s name, as Jesus’s agent, carrying out Jesus’s own ministry” (Keener 2.1101). In this way, no faith on the part of the beggar is needed.
2. The faithfulness of Jesus. Culy and Parsons suggest the possibility that “name” should be understood as a metonym for “him,” referring to Christ (BHGNT 57). In this understanding Jesus is the one who performed the miracle. The first instance of ὀνόματος is a subj. gen. Thus, the sentence should be read “because of the faithfulness of his name, his name [i.e., “he”] strengthened this man” (BHGNT 58). While appealing, it is difficult to find sim. uses of ὀνόμα elsewhere in Luke-Acts. Keener also notes that name is a metonym, but for his authority (Keener 2.1101). The combination of (perhaps) overly subtle syntax and unlikely ref. of ὀνόμα casts doubt on this position.
*3. The faith of the beggar. While the first position is possible, it is more likely that faith in Jesus (as the one with authority) is the foundation for the miracle—namely, the faith of the beggar. There is no doubt that Peter was wielding the authority of Jesus (cf. 3:6). However, it is the faith in his name that strengthened the man. Furthermore, faith in the name of Christ (expressed in full repentance, 3:19) is what was suggested by Peter in the appeal that follows and suggests a natural parallel with the mng. in 3:16. Bock notes that it is not impossible that the apostles and the beggar are meant but that the one emphasized is the man himself (Bock 172). The faith here, then, is the initial faith of the man.

Next, the dir. obj. of the main vb. (still to come) is a pron. referring to the healed beggar, τοῦτον. Still before the introduction of the main verb, the man is identified by a rel. pron. phrase. The hearers both see (θεωρεῖτε, 2nd pl. pres. act. indic. of θεωρέω) and know (οἴδατε, 2nd pl. pf. act. indic. of οἶδα) the man. Finally, the main vb. “strengthened” (ἐστερέωσεν, 3rd sg. aor. act. indic. of στερεόω) and the subj., a repetition of “his name” (τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ) completes the first sentence.
By fronting the phrase, the role of the man’s faith in Christ is emphasized. The nom. πίστις (“faith”) is modified by a prep. phrase in the attrib. position that is made into an adj. by the art. While technically faith is the subj. of the vb., clearly it is the obj. of the faith that gave (ἔδωκεν, 3rd sg. aor. act. indic. of δίδωμι) the man wholeness (ὁλοκληρίαν, acc. sg. fem. of ὁλοκληρία, -ας, ἡ, dir. obj., NT hapax). Finally, Peter noted that the man was before them (ἀπέναντι, “against,” likely a substitute for πρό, like κατὰ πρόσωπον in v. 13 [Bruce, Acts of the Apostles, 142]). The expression is a common LXX expression (ZG 353).


L. Scott Kellum, Acts (ed. Andreas J. Köstenberger and Robert W. Yarbrough; Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament; Nashville, TN: B&H Academic, 2020), 52–54.




2 Peter 1:1 - "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ."

Gentiles had obtained to the same faith as had the jews

nothing there about infused faith


Hebrews 12:2 - "looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God."
Vincent has a nice comment here

Teleiootees (grk 5051) "perfecter," occurs only here in the New Testament, not occurring in the Septuagint. Not occurring in Classical writers. (from Vincent’s Word Studies of the New Testament)

Calvinists also often misapply Hebrews 12:2 to this concept of faith being an exclusive gift to a Gnostic-style set of pre-selected elect people. The use of this verse is the equivalent of the Calvinist screaming at the top of his lungs that context means nothing to him and that he has no idea what the passage is talking about. They see their buzz words and think that it is an excellent opportunity for them to import their ideas, and in so doing, they miss the entire point, and self[1]identify as the milk-sop in Hebrews 5:11-13. This is not a text book of theological proof texts.When Calvinists use this verse, the idea they’re bringing to it is that Jesus is authoring the individual’s volitional belief in the gospel and then carries that belief through until the person’s death. But this has absolutely nothing to do with that nonsense whatsoever. This verse is addressing the continuity of the faith for the Jew from the Mosaic Torah and Old Testament to faith in Christ under the New Testament. The tempting mindset for the Jew of that day would be to say that “Jehovah and Moses got us started in our faith, and now we’ve changed channels so Jesus and wrap it up and finish it off.”Hebrews 12:2 (KJV) 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.Back in chapter 1, the author reminded the reader that the same God who spoke to their fathers in times past in diverse and sundry manners has now spoken through His Son, Jesus Christ. Then in chapter two, don’t let these things slip. Then by time the epistle (or midrash) is about to be wrapped up, the writer reminds the reader that this is not two different programs. They did not transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament to start a brand new system of faith or a new religion, but that this same Jesus is the author of everything that their fathers ever rightly believed as deliberated back in chapter 11, and it is the same Jesus who is the finisher. Thus, Jesus is “the author and finisher of our faith,” the audience being Hebrews who have relatively recently come to believe in Jesus of Nazareth as the Savior and Jewish Messiah.Even if one wanted to take this concept out of the context and apply it the way Calvinists eisegete it, it still would not help them. Of course Jesus is the author and finisher of the faith. How could someone put their faith in Jesus if there was no Jesus to put their faith in? Jesus is a real historical person, and He is the manifestation in the flesh of the real, historical God. There can be no faith without the object of that faith first presenting itself for trust and reliance.
This should be clear that faith is not something we possess naturally or generate on our own, but is a gift that comes from God. It is granted to us by God's grace and through the work of Jesus Christ. The Bible consistently presents faith as a divine enablement, not a human achievement.
Eph 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Jesus clearly states he hides truth for some as otherwise they would repent and be forgiven



Mark 4:10–12 (ESV) — 10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that “ ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’ ”




unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Mat 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.





The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.



What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?


John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith
 
This points to a pet peeve of mine. When people say "I believe in God", what do they mean? That they believe God exists? Or that they have faith in God? You can't know unless they elaborate on what they mean. That makes the statement "I believe in God" pretty meaningless on its own.

Obviously, as you have pointed out, "I believe God exists" is not faith.
But believing in God still can be quite useful. As it can lead to faith in God given the right circumstances. Say like when you were a kid your parents took you to church and you learned about God and believed there was a God. But you never had faith in him for your salvation.

Jump ahead about 30 years and you're incarcerated for burglary because you had to steal to support your drug habit and your alcohol addiction.

Then one day some spirit-filled believers visit the prison you're locked in to share the message about Jesus. You hear it and since you believe in God you think about it. And say to yourself "You know my way has gotten where I'm at today maybe Jesus is a better way".

So at the end of the meeting they ask if there's anyone that would like to accept Christ as your lord and savior you stick your hand up and they pray for you and you ask Jesus to come into your heart. And you never been the same since. He delivered you. He says if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
 
This points to a pet peeve of mine. When people say "I believe in God", what do they mean? That they believe God exists? Or that they have faith in God? You can't know unless they elaborate on what they mean. That makes the statement "I believe in God" pretty meaningless on its own.

Obviously, as you have pointed out, "I believe God exists" is not faith.
That's why I say-don't concede or give up-we are ALL learning here and no one is a scholar-in fact, we are learning from each other since I don't claim to know it all.
Scriptures should be rightly divided-with context brother.
Heck! You are teaching ME some things I have overlooked @The Rogue Tomato and NO one is above the other.
Shalom.
 
But believing in God still can be quite useful. As it can lead to faith in God given the right circumstances. Say like when you were a kid your parents took you to church and you learned about God and believed there was a God. But you never had faith in him for your salvation.

Jump ahead about 30 years and you're incarcerated for burglary because you had to steal to support your drug habit and your alcohol addiction.

Then one day some spirit-filled believers visit the prison you're locked in to share the message about Jesus. You hear it and since you believe in God you think about it. And say to yourself "You know my way has gotten where I'm at today maybe Jesus is a better way".

So at the end of the meeting they ask if there's anyone that would like to accept Christ as your lord and savior you stick your hand up and they pray for you and you ask Jesus to come into your heart. And you never been the same since. He delivered you. He says if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Rom 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
Rom 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
Rom 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
 
But believing in God still can be quite useful. As it can lead to faith in God given the right circumstances. Say like when you were a kid your parents took you to church and you learned about God and believed there was a God. But you never had faith in him for your salvation.

Jump ahead about 30 years and you're incarcerated for burglary because you had to steal to support your drug habit and your alcohol addiction.

Then one day some spirit-filled believers visit the prison you're locked in to share the message about Jesus. You hear it and since you believe in God you think about it. And say to yourself "You know my way has gotten where I'm at today maybe Jesus is a better way".

So at the end of the meeting they ask if there's anyone that would like to accept Christ as your lord and savior you stick your hand up and they pray for you and you ask Jesus to come into your heart. And you never been the same since. He delivered you. He says if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying "I believe in God" doesn't communicate what the person means.
 
Given revelation man can believe

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?

Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Jesus clearly states he hides truth for some as otherwise they would repent and be forgiven



Mark 4:10–12 (ESV) — 10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that “ ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’ ”




unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Mat 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.





The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.



What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?


John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?

Miracles have power to bring about faith

notice how so many verses affirm that given revelation man can believe

BTW

Romans 10:8–17 (ESV) — 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

fully supports what I stated

and faith is not the gift of Eph 2:8 salvation is

Not only is that the testimony of scripture

Romans 6:23 (ESV) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 4:10–14 (ESV) — 10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

but verse 9 makes no sense if faith is the gift

Ephesians 2:9 (ESV) — 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

To argue faith is not a result of works is something no one would ever argue

but confirming salvation is not of works is quite consistent with Paul's overall message of the book of Romans
Ditto
 
I think many don't understand the structure of this whole subject and theme of how God means for it to be understood. Are we born with as you pout it an innate ability to believe? YES but come things need to be understood. If the one understands the gracious and loving character of the one talking to them then YES they have an ability to believe. Believing is founded upon trust and the knowledge of the LOVE of the other. If one things of a child knowing it's mother.....YES they have the ability to believe. We can with God for there is no difference. If one grasps his love and integrity and they KNOW what he said he'll do they innately can have FAITH.
Yes many have no clue who and what God is really like , their man made religion has Him Paganized
 
Yes many have no clue who and what God is really like , their man made religion has Him Paganized
Are you advocating my religion is man made? Paganized?

Matter of fact-I enjoy @TomL and his meek spirit, just ironing some points out-iron sharpens iron-right?
And there is no need to slam-dunk the Calvinists and what they believe-since you should be more yielding towards them.

The Bible emphasizes the importance of unity among believers. A key verse that speaks to this is Psalm 133:1, which states: "How wonderful and pleasant it is when brothers live together in harmony!"

Other relevant Bible verses that highlight the beauty and blessing of unity include:

"Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace." (Ephesians 4:3)

"Are we not all children of the same Father? Are we not all created by the same God?" (Malachi 2:10)

"Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples." (John 13:35)

"I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me." (John 17:23)

Unity among believers is not just a nice idea, but a command from God. When Christians come together in harmony and love, it reflects the unity within the Godhead and bears powerful witness to the world. Disunity, on the other hand, grieves the Holy Spirit and hinders the church's mission. The Bible consistently upholds the beauty and blessing of brethren dwelling together in unity.

Would you agree?
 
Are you advocating my religion is man made? Paganized?

Matter of fact-I enjoy @TomL and his meek spirit, just ironing some points out-iron sharpens iron-right?
And there is no need to slam-dunk the Calvinists and what they believe-since you should be more yielding towards them.

The Bible emphasizes the importance of unity among believers. A key verse that speaks to this is Psalm 133:1, which states: "How wonderful and pleasant it is when brothers live together in harmony!"

Other relevant Bible verses that highlight the beauty and blessing of unity include:

"Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace." (Ephesians 4:3)

"Are we not all children of the same Father? Are we not all created by the same God?" (Malachi 2:10)

"Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples." (John 13:35)

"I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me." (John 17:23)

Unity among believers is not just a nice idea, but a command from God. When Christians come together in harmony and love, it reflects the unity within the Godhead and bears powerful witness to the world. Disunity, on the other hand, grieves the Holy Spirit and hinders the church's mission. The Bible consistently upholds the beauty and blessing of brethren dwelling together in unity.

Would you agree?
Augustine and his doctrines are pagan , manichean , gnostic and Greek philosophy. Calvin got his from Augustine and quoted him over 1,000 times in his writings. So I have the historical facts on my side.
 
Are you advocating my religion is man made? Paganized?

Matter of fact-I enjoy @TomL and his meek spirit, just ironing some points out-iron sharpens iron-right?
And there is no need to slam-dunk the Calvinists and what they believe-since you should be more yielding towards them.

The Bible emphasizes the importance of unity among believers. A key verse that speaks to this is Psalm 133:1, which states: "How wonderful and pleasant it is when brothers live together in harmony!"

Other relevant Bible verses that highlight the beauty and blessing of unity include:

"Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace." (Ephesians 4:3)

"Are we not all children of the same Father? Are we not all created by the same God?" (Malachi 2:10)

"Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples." (John 13:35)

"I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me." (John 17:23)

Unity among believers is not just a nice idea, but a command from God. When Christians come together in harmony and love, it reflects the unity within the Godhead and bears powerful witness to the world. Disunity, on the other hand, grieves the Holy Spirit and hinders the church's mission. The Bible consistently upholds the beauty and blessing of brethren dwelling together in unity.

Would you agree?

Do you mind if I disagree?

Calls for Unity among false doctrine do not exist in the Scriptures. For just one example of many....

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

Gal 2:3 But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
Gal 2:5 To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Unity is always in Christ alone and in a singular doctrine that rightfully brings Glory to the Son.

Calvinism robs Christ of His Glory. There is no praise nor Unity in such.
 
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