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Yes it teaches non CalvinismUm Romans 9 does not teach Calvinism
Yes it teaches non CalvinismUm Romans 9 does not teach Calvinism
Try making a fallacy out of thisThis is fun … let’s all play “identify that LOGICAL FALLACY”.
That would be an unfounded assumption
all who hear do not come
Romans 10:17–21 (NASB 2020) — 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. 18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? On the contrary: “THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.” 19 But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says, “I WILL MAKE YOU JEALOUS WITH THOSE WHO ARE NOT A NATION, WITH A FOOLISH NATION I WILL ANGER YOU.” 20 And Isaiah is very bold and says, “I WAS FOUND BY THOSE WHO DID NOT SEEK ME, I REVEALED MYSELF TO THOSE WHO DID NOT ASK FOR ME.” 21 But as for Israel, He says, “I HAVE SPREAD OUT MY HANDS ALL DAY LONG TO A DISOBEDIENT AND OBSTINATE PEOPLE.”
It up to them to learn
nope just your individualistic/deterministic POV.
its about nations- Israel and the Gentiles as the context proves.
Romans 9-11 is corporate election not individual election.
IrrelevantUm Romans 9 does not teach Calvinism
its about nations- Israel and the Gentiles as the context proves.
Romans 9-11 is corporate election not individual election.
It's fine if you do not affirm Romans 9 teaches Calvinism.Irrelevant
I simply have no interest in any discussion where some of the Bible is allowed in the discussion and other parts are excluded from being talked about and the OTHER POSITION gets to decide which verses fall into which category.I guess you do not want to deal with the argument
@Presby02 is denying the facts of church history.In 1629, a small book in Latin, attributed to Cyril Lucaris, the Patriarch of Constantinople, and commonly referred to as the Confession of Cyril Lucaris, was published in Latin at Geneva. It contained an eighteen-point summary of beliefs that conformed with Calvinist teaching. French, English and German translations appeared in the same year. A Greek version called Eastern Confession of the Christian Faith appeared in Constantinople in 1631 or 1633.[4][5] Lucaris was accused of adopting in this book Calvinistic views and asserting that Calvinism was in fact the faith of the Eastern Church. His E. Orthodox defenders claim that the book was a forgery. Cyril did not disavow it in writing.[6]
Cyril Lucaris died in 1638.[2]
Lucaris' Confession was condemned by the 1638 Synod of Constantinople and the 1642 Synod of Jassy.[5]
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So do you. You cited a council as proof of your assertion. The same council that asserts baptismal regeneration. Your a cherry picker and a waste of my time@Presby02 is denying the facts of church history.
dodging and evasion once againSo do you. You cited a council as proof of your assertion. The same council that asserts baptismal regeneration. Your a cherry picker and a waste of my time
Waste of timedodging and evasion once again
yes since you deflect all the time. AgreedWaste of time
Projectionyes since you deflect all the time. Agreed![]()
I was meaning to ask for clarification on this bizarre statement.Yep And the council of Jerusalem declared Calvinism a heresy.
PERSONALLY, I think things get a lot less problematic, when you simply IGNORE "isms", and go with what's in the Bible.The Council of Orange in 529 AD explicitly rejected the idea of double predestination, which is the belief that God chooses some people for salvation and others for damnation:
It's called seeing what you want to see. Reeks of desperationI was meaning to ask for clarification on this bizarre statement.
Below is EVERYTHING on the Council of Jerusalem ... where does it talk about either "heresy" or "Calvinism" (or the Ordo Salutis at all)?
Acts 15 [NKJV]The Jerusalem Council6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:16 ‘After this I will returnAnd will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;I will rebuild its ruins,And I will set it up;17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the LORD,Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,Says the LORD who does all these things.’18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”The Jerusalem Decree22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.23 They wrote this letter by them:The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:Greetings.24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.Farewell.
like tulipIt's called seeing what you want to see. Reeks of desperation
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