Praying to Jesus

[civic]

Yes, as it is written;

Ps. 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness "therefore God", thy God, "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

And again;

Is. 53: 1 Who hath believed our report? (Not you Civic) and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, "there is no beauty that we should desire him". 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Nothing like the image of God you have adopted, with his long flowing hair, and perfect profile.


Jer. 6: 16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, "and walk therein", and ye "shall find rest for your souls". But they (Civic) said, We will not walk therein.

And again;

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Why don't you listen to Him then Civic.

Matt. 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.



John 14: 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In "my Father's house" are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Phil. 2: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, "and became obedient" unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore "God" also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that "Jesus Christ is Lord", to the glory "of God the Father".

And again;

Eph. 1: 17 That the "God of our Lord Jesus Christ", the Father of glory, "may give unto you" the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when "he" (God the Father) raised "him" (Jesus, His son) from the dead, and set him "at his own right hand in the heavenly places",

Your religious business is to glorify your image of God in the likeness of some handsome long-haired man. The Gospel of the Christ "of the bible" was to Glorify the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, who raised HIM from the dead.


John 14: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you "I speak not of myself": but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 4: 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers "shall worship the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father "seeketh such to worship him". 24 "God is a Spirit": and "they that worship him" must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 17: 8 For I have given unto them "the words" which "thou" gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that "thou didst send me".

John 6: 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up "where he was before"?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the "words that I speak unto you" (Given Him by His Father and my Father), they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

The Holy Spirit NEVER contradicts Scripture. His job according to Christ is to glorify the Son, to bear witness of Him which you deny.

The Holy Spirit ALWAYS points a believer To Christ alone.

So from Jesus own words- the TRUTH you do not testify to the Son so I know you do not speak from the Spirit since you do not glorify the Son as Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would do. You only see the Father worthy of glory, honor, praise and worship. The Holy Spirit honors the Son. He points people to the Son, not the Father.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:13-15
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

1 Corinthians 12:1-3
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Alive]

The Holy Spirit NEVER contradicts Scripture. His job according to Christ is to glorify the Son, to bear witness of Him which you deny.

The Holy Spirit ALWAYS points a believer To Christ alone.

So from Jesus own words- the TRUTH you do not testify to the Son so I know you do not speak from the Spirit since you do not glorify the Son as Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would do. You only see the Father worthy of glory, honor, praise and worship. The Holy Spirit honors the Son. He points people to the Son, not the Father.

John 15:26
New King James Version
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

English Standard Version
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:13-15
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

1 Corinthians 12:1-3
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

hope this helps !!!

Right on!


However, when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you in all truth. He won’t speak on his own, but will say whatever he hears and will proclaim to you what is to come. John 16:13

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

 

[Runningman]

Yes, as it is written;

Ps. 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness "therefore God", thy God, "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

And again;

Is. 53: 1 Who hath believed our report? (Not you Civic) and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, "there is no beauty that we should desire him". 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Nothing like the image of God you have adopted, with his long flowing hair, and perfect profile.


Jer. 6: 16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, "and walk therein", and ye "shall find rest for your souls". But they (Civic) said, We will not walk therein.

And again;

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Why don't you listen to Him then Civic.

Matt. 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.



John 14: 1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In "my Father's house" are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Phil. 2: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, "and became obedient" unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore "God" also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that "Jesus Christ is Lord", to the glory "of God the Father".

And again;

Eph. 1: 17 That the "God of our Lord Jesus Christ", the Father of glory, "may give unto you" the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when "he" (God the Father) raised "him" (Jesus, His son) from the dead, and set him "at his own right hand in the heavenly places",

Your religious business is to glorify your image of God in the likeness of some handsome long-haired man. The Gospel of the Christ "of the bible" was to Glorify the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, who raised HIM from the dead.


John 14: 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you "I speak not of myself": but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 4: 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers "shall worship the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father "seeketh such to worship him". 24 "God is a Spirit": and "they that worship him" must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 17: 8 For I have given unto them "the words" which "thou" gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that "thou didst send me".

John 6: 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up "where he was before"?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the "words that I speak unto you" (Given Him by His Father and my Father), they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

That is correct.

 

[civic]

That is correct.

I correct both or your false teaching about Christ in my last post with His words.

 

[civic]

One must believe in Christ to be saved. Jesus and the Apostles made that mandatory. @Runningman @Studyman

One doesn't have to believe in the Father to be saved and to receive Eternal Life.

Jesus is the source of Eternal Life

John 1:1-10
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life,and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.


John 3:14-15
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.


John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,


John 4:14 -but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."


John 5:39-40- You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.


John 6:27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you,


John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."


John 6:51 " I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

John 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.


John 6:68 Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

John 10:28 - I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

1 John 2:25 This is the promise which He Himselfmade to us: eternal life.


1 John 5:13-14 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:20 -we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

I correct both or your false teaching about Christ in my last post with His words.

Not sure what you're talking about. I mostly agree with your last post aside from a few things. I don't disagree with everything you say, but I will probably debate the points I disagree with.

The part about how you personified the Holy Spirit. The Father is holy and Spirit, John 4:21-24, yes? Then we can call the Father holy Spirit. This isn't the same thing as the spirit of holiness, which is an anointing and empowerment, not a person, in some contexts. That's the distinction you haven't found yet. That's why the holy spirit reads like a thing sometimes and other times a person.

 

[civic]

Not sure what you're talking about. I mostly agree with your last post aside from a few things. I don't disagree with everything you say, but I will probably debate the points I disagree with.

The part about how you personified the Holy Spirit. The Father is holy and Spirit, John 4:21-24, yes? Then we can call the Father holy Spirit. This isn't the same thing as the spirit of holiness, which is an anointing and empowerment, not a person, in some contexts. That's the distinction you haven't found yet. That's why the holy spirit reads like a thing sometimes and other times a person.

Nowhere in all the Bible does it ever once say The Father is the Holy Spirit.

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[Runningman]

One must believe in Christ to be saved. Jesus and the Apostles made that mandatory. @Runningman @Studyman

One doesn't have to believe in the Father to be saved and to receive Eternal Life.

Jesus is the source of Eternal Life

John 1:1-10
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life,and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.


John 3:14-15
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.


John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,


John 4:14 -but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."


John 5:39-40- You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.


John 6:27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you,


John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."


John 6:51 " I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

John 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.


John 6:68 Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

John 10:28 - I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

1 John 2:25 This is the promise which He Himselfmade to us: eternal life.


1 John 5:13-14 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

1 John 5:20 -we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

hope this helps !!!

You are mixing some personal theology into the Scripture. Yes, believe Jesus is the Christ and Son of God. No don't believe Jesus is God.

Peter, in Matthew 16:16, said Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the Living God. Jesus isn't the Living God in Scripture, but rather the Son of the Living God. Peter's answer is what Jesus said was revealed by the Father. So the Father didn't reveal to Peter that Jesus is God, yet Peter received what looks like a round of ecstatic applause from Jesus for saying what he did.

While Jesus never said he is God, he did say he is the Christ (the Messiah) in, John 4:25-26, affirming " I am he (the messiah)" and that if you do not believe that he is who he is then you will die in your sins according to John 8:24.

Furthermore, the words of eternal life that Jesus has, he got from the Father. Therefore, Jesus is not the one from whom eternal life originates, but rather comes through him from the source who is the Father. Jesus said so in John 12:49-50, saying the Father's command lead to eternal life. Do note, the Father's commands lead to eternal life, not the commands of Jesus. What Jesus taught us to do are what the Father said to do.

Additionally, the Father is the one who gave Jesus the authority to give eternal life according to John 17:2.

So nothing in the Bible says to believe Jesus is God to have eternal life or salvation. By all accounts, you should believe he is the Messiah and the Son of the Living God. Do note, YHWH is the true God and living God in Jeremiah 10:10 and Jesus is the Son of the Living God in Matthew 16:16. Therefore the Living God is YHWH the Father and Jesus isn't.

Please don't ignore these important points as they are relevant to your salvation.

 

[Runningman]

Nowhere in all the Bible does it ever once say The Father is the Holy Spirit.

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So you don't believe the Father is holy and Spirit? The Bible says He is. That means he's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit isn't a third person.

Question... answer at your convenience... why are the Father and Holy Spirit never mentioned together?

By your logic, why did Jesus not mention speaking against the Father? Don't you think the Father is the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 12​

31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.​

Why did Jesus say no one knows the Father except the Son, and vice versa, if the the Father isn't the Holy Spirit? So the Holy Spirit doesn't know the Father and Son?

Matthew 11​

27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.​

Think about it. Take your time.

 

[TomL]

I know you and Civic and Kenneth Copeland and this world's religious system, don't believe the Word of God, the Holy One of Israel, the "Rock", became a mortal human in the person of Jesus. The children of the devil in Jesus' time didn't believe the Prophesies either.

Nevertheless, your unbelief notwithstanding, the Jesus "of the bible" did tell me;

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou (Father) hast given him (The Son) power over all flesh, that he (Son of God) should give eternal life to as many as thou (Father) hast given him (Son).

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God (Father), and Jesus Christ, (Son) whom thou (Father) hast sent.

4 "I have glorified thee" on the earth: I have finished the work which "thou gavest me to do".

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory "which I had with thee" before the world was.

But you and Civics god never laid down His Immortal Life which He had with the Father before the world was, for anyone. Your god risked nothing for others. Your god came to earth as "Fully God", who couldn't be tempted, and couldn't die, as he still possessed the Glory HE had "with God" before the world was.

The Christ "of the Bible", was an immortal God who existed with His Father before the World was, (and the Word was with God, and the Word was God) who laid down His Immortal Life at the Will of His Father and became a mortal man in the person of Jesus. HIS Faith was tried just as the Faith of all men is tried. And HE overcame by Faith in His Father. Proven by the "Works" HE walked in that His Father "before ordained" that mortal men should walk in them.

So the "Word" "of the Bible", was God and was with God, then this "Word" who was with God, became a mortal man in the person of Jesus, at the behest of His Father, and this world's religious men hated HIM because of the Fathers Words HE spoke, just as they hate the Father and His instruction in righteousness. So men, who professed to know God, murdered Him. But His Father raised Him from the dead, and because of His undying Faithfulness, gave Him a Name above all other mortal humans born of a woman. And this Same Christ is my Lord and Savior and is standing at the Right Hand of His Father even today, advocating between me and His Father.

As it is written in the Law and Prophets;

Ps. 45: 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: "therefore God", thy God, "hath anointed thee" with the oil of gladness "above thy fellows".

I would post more of His Words, but you already have Moses and the Prophets and if you can't hear them, you won't be persuaded to listen to the Jesus "of the Bible". As HE said;

Luke 16: 1 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

You have been snared by the image of the God of the Catholic religion. You have rejected God's Judgments and Statutes and have adopted hers. You are worshipping their image of God in the Likness of some random, handsome men's hair shampoo model, and have adopted her high days in worship of this image. All of which are in direct violation of the Jesus of the Bible's very Own Words that HE said to be "doers" of and not hearers only.


Come out of her Tom, before it's too late. Not because I said so, but because the Holy Scriptures, and the Words of the Father and His Son who HE sent, tells you to.

Give it up

Kenneth Copeland has nothing to do with us

And your weird was God, then was not God, then was God again theology is not the word of God

 

[civic]

Give it up

Kenneth Copeland has nothing to do with us

And your weird was God, then was not God, then was God again theology is not the word of God

that's desperate. maybe would should compare his ideas with David koresh or Jim jones.

 

[Studyman]

One must believe in Christ to be saved. Jesus and the Apostles made that mandatory. @Runningman @Studyman

The image of God you have adopted and are promoting to others, is not the "Christ" of the Bible. If you were to actually consider the Scriptures posted, instead of ignoring them, and trying to find other verses to use as a club to make them void, you would see this.

Notice that you never actually address the Scriptures I post, rather, you search for scriptures you think you can use, to make them void, and irrelevant.

If you believed everything the Jesus "of the bible" said, you wouldn't promote this popular image of God in the likeness of man.

One doesn't have to believe in the Father to be saved and to receive Eternal Life.

In your religion, one doesn't have to believe in the Jesus "of the bible" either. They simply must adopt your religion, and the image of God in the likeness of men you worship and promote to others.

I advocate that men "come out of this world's seductive religions that you are promoting and strive to enter the narrow path the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs men to strive for.

Jesus is the source of Eternal Life

John 1:1-10
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "with God", and the Word "was God".

Psalms 110: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

He was in the beginning "with God". 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life,and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, (Let there be Light) enlightens every man.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten "of the Father", full of grace and truth.

John 3:14-15
"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 6: 44 "No man can come to me", except the "Father which hath sent me" draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught "of God". Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", cometh unto me.

37 All that "the Father giveth me" shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will "of him that sent me".

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life,

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Clearly you don't believe in this Jesus, and have instead, adopted the image of God in the likeness of man, that the religions of this world God placed us in, created and call Jesus.

John 4:14 -but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

John 3: 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34 For he "whom God hath sent" speaketh "the words of God": for "God giveth" not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath "given all things" into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth "not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

You profess to know Him, but by your works, you deny Him.

John 5:39-40- You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Cherry picking Scriptures works well to promote Calvinism, and also the false gospel you have adopted and are promoting. But it doesn't bring a person to God's Truth. Consider all the Words of the Jesus "of the Bible" in John 5.

John 5: 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth "the Father do": for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment "unto the Son":

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son "honoureth not the Father" which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth "my word", (Given to Him by His Father) and believeth "on him that sent me", hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you,

"Given to the Son, by the Father." You omit this truth from your religion to your own destruction.

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

The Jesus "of the Bible" says; "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

You clearly don't believe in this Jesus.

John 6:51 " I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

Who sent Him to earth from heaven? Who gave Him this Bread? Who gave Him men for Jesus to feed this Bread too?

Of course, your master's will not allow you to answer these questions.

John 6:54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 6: 44 "No man can come to me", except the "Father which hath sent me" draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught "of God". Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", cometh unto me.

John 6:68 Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

Given to Him by His father and my Father, to give to me.

John 10:28 - I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Your cherry picking will catch up with you someday, and in that day, you will remember these interactions.

29 My Father, which gave them me, "is greater than all"; and no man is able to pluck them "out of my Father's hand".

30 I and my Father are one.

1 John 2:25 This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.

1 John 2: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate "with the Father", "Jesus Christ the righteous":

1 John 5:13-14 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

More Cherry Picking to justify the image of God you have adopted and are worshipping.

1 John 5: 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth "not God" hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record "that God" gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that "God hath given to us eternal life", and this life "is in his Son".

1 John 5:20 -we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

WOW, you can't even post the whole sentence. Why would you do that, other than to deceive others. Here, let me post what is actually written.

18 We know that whosoever is "born of God" sinneth not; but he that is begotten "of God" keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19 And we know that "we are of God", and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son "of God" is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know "him that is true", and we are "in him" that is true, even in "his Son" Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

hope this helps !!!

Cherry picking Scriptures to justify your rejection of God, and the Words of HIS Son, the Jesus "of the bible", helps no one Civic.

 

[TomL]

The image of God you have adopted and are promoting to others, is not the "Christ" of the Bible. If you were to actually consider the Scriptures posted, instead of ignoring them, and trying to find other verses to use as a club to make them void, you would see this.

Um Christ is the image of God

Hebrews 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Notice that you never actually address the Scriptures I post, rather, you search for scriptures you think you can use, to make them void, and irrelevant.

If you believed everything the Jesus "of the bible" said, you wouldn't promote this popular image of God in the likeness of man.

Christ is also the son of man

Matthew 8:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Matthew 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Psalms 110: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Yes repeated in the New testament

Matt 22:44The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Is Jesus Christ your lord?

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten "of the Father", full of grace and truth.

Yep the word who was God was made flesh

yet remained God

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

John 6: 44 "No man can come to me", except the "Father which hath sent me" draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught "of God". Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned "of the Father", cometh unto me.

Yes and?

Revelation is needed given revelation however

All these are sufficient for faith

John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Believing Moses is sufficient for faith in Jesus

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

The testimony of the woman was sufficient for faith.

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

As is the testimony of the apostles


Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.
As is the persasion offered by Paul

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

As is John's gospel

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

As is the reading of scripture

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-6-45/

37 All that "the Father giveth me" shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

yep the Father was giving to Jesus those that were his

John 17:6–10 (KJV 1900) — 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will "of him that sent me".

Yep the word who was God came down from heaven

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yep Jesus Christ is Lord and has the power of judgment

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-7-23/

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth them not", shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

All say amen

John 3: 33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34 For he "whom God hath sent" speaketh "the words of God": for "God giveth" not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath "given all things" into his hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth "not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Don't know anyone who holds to the deity of Christ and his hypostatic union who would deny that

So who are you talking about

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-3-36/

John 5: 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth "the Father do": for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

Of course, he was not opposing the Father and came to do his will



https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-5-20/

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Amen

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment "unto the Son":

Amen
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-5-22/

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son "honoureth not the Father" which hath sent him.

Amen again

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth "my word", (Given to Him by His Father) and believeth "on him that sent me", hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Amen again


"Given to the Son, by the Father." You omit this truth from your religion to your own destruction.

Um this was cited above. Who do you imagine denies it

The Jesus "of the Bible" says; "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Yes

Salvation depends on knowing God and Jesus Christ

You clearly don't believe in this Jesus.

I think you do not know what you are talking about

As with other scripture I do not know anyone who holds to the orthodox position and denies any posted here

Who sent Him to earth from heaven? Who gave Him this Bread? Who gave Him men for Jesus to feed this Bread too?

The Father Don't know any of the orthodox who would deny this

Of course, your master's will not allow you to answer these questions.

Hate to burst your bubble but every single one was addressed

Is there any need to go any further

Nothing you post here is contrary to or denied by those who hold to the orthodox position

 

[TomL]

Never heard it before

Jehovah witnesses teach

The word was a god, became only man and became a god again

 

[Runningman]

Give it up

Kenneth Copeland has nothing to do with us

And your weird was God, then was not God, then was God again theology is not the word of God

Don’t try to distance yourself for one of the most well known and popular trinitarians of the modern day. Kenneth Copeland gives your group a big black eye but you must not disown him.

 

[TomL]

Don’t try to distance yourself for one of the most well known and popular trinitarians of the modern day. Kenneth Copeland gives your group a big black eye but you must not disown him.

Get real

Kenneth Copeland is a fraud and no one you are talking to affirms him

Stick to the issues

 

[Studyman]

Um Christ is the image of God

Hebrews 1:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

The Jesus "of the Bible" says God is a Spirit, and invisible God, seeking "True Worshippers" to worship Him in Spirit and Truth.

John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Col. 1: 14 In whom we have redemption through "his blood", even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

This Jesus also said; "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: "the words that I speak unto you", they are spirit, and they are life.

He is the image of God, His Father, in Spirit. But in the flesh, "he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."

God placed me in a world filled with many different religions and commanded that I don't adopt their ways and idols they create and worship. You and Civic and Kenneth Copeland and "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, have adopted this world's religious system/business as your own, including the worship of one such idol, an image of God in the likeness of some random, very handsome long-haired man you claim is "fully God", that was born on Dec. 25th. God clearly commanded that His People do not engage in such a wicked behavior, but since you don't believe in this God, you refuse to "live by" His Words, as the Jesus "of the Bible" instructs.

This religious system and traditions are followed worldwide. Some of the religions of this world have created images of God in the likeness of a bald fat man with a big smile. But you have adopted the religion which created an image of God in the likeness of some random handsome longhaired man, and you placed the name of Jesus on it. Israel did the exact same thing but in the likeness of a golden calf, and said of it, "This is the God of our Salvation". They too, like you and civic, promote a religion in which you teach for doctrines the commandments of men, and you full well reject God's Judgments and Commandments of God that you might walk in your own religious traditions, which vary depending on which religious sect or business you adopt, from the hundreds of choices available in this world God placed us in.

Paul explains why men do these things even when God told you not to.

Rom. 1: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him "not as God", neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory "of the uncorruptible God" "into an image" made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

We are called out of this religious system, just as Abraham and Peter was called out of the same religious system. And are to "Seek the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness", which is revealed in the Gospel of Christ wherein it is written, "The Just Shall live by Faith".

You don't believe the immortal Son was with His Father, before the world was. And you don't believe This same God sent His Son, the Holy One of Israel, to became a mortal human in the person of Jesus, risking His Life for others according to the Will of His Father.

You preach to the world "another Jesus" an image of God in the likeness of a long haired, very handsome man, who was "fully God", and overcame temptations and death, not because of His Faith in God, but because HE was God, and therefore couldn't be tempted, and couldn't die, and therefore didn't lay down His Life for anyone.

This is not the Jesus "of the Bible", the humble servant of His God, and my God, as defined in Scriptures. You have adopted and are promoting "another Jesus", an image of God that man created.

I know there are others who see this as well and have come to know several of them. There are some on this forum that see the same hypocrisy of the rulers of modern-day synagogues as the Jesus "of the Bible" saw in Matt. 6.

I don't reply to your posts to convince you or persuade you of anything, Jesus Himself said you will not be persuaded, and I believe Him. I post these truths so that others who may have seen the same Babylon, and are wanting to "come out of her", can know they are not alone. And not to fear as their gods cannot do good, nor can they do evil.

 

[Studyman]

Get real

Kenneth Copeland is a fraud and no one you are talking to affirms him

Stick to the issues

His sermons and yours are identical in theology.

 

[civic]

Don’t try to distance yourself for one of the most well known and popular trinitarians of the modern day. Kenneth Copeland gives your group a big black eye but you must not disown him.

he is not a trinitarian, nice try.

he is kenosis, a heretic

 

[TomL]

His sermons and yours are identical in theology.

You have no idea at all what you are talking about

Copeland preaches a wealth, name it and claim it gospel

Holds God has the body parts of a man

Christ died spiritually and was dragged into hell by Satan