Praying to Jesus

Runningman said:
The verses are correct but you're conflating one person with the other. That's a serious error. God is not named Jesus, Yeshua, Immanuel, etc in the Bible. Your argument seems to hinge on the word "Lord" which is a title. So you're conflating names of two different persons and titles when there is no relation one to the other.

I still have no idea how you can't understand that. It's a genuine marvel. Let's see if we can get to the root of it.

Why do you think Jesus is YHWH when Jesus is the cornerstone that YHWH laid? How did you get to that conclusion when Jesus' name isn't YHWH and miscellaneous other passages clearly place YHWH and Jesus beside each other and demonstrate they aren't the same person? Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1 for example.
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Read the text not your theology

Romans 10:9–13 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
It's the lord Jesus you must call on
Acts 4:10–12 (NIV) — 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is “ ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

The text is inspired scripture. Your theology is not.
 
TomL said:
Read the text not your theology

Romans 10:9–13 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
It's the lord Jesus you must call on
Acts 4:10–12 (NIV) — 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is “ ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ 12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

The text is inspired scripture. Your theology is not.
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I've already addressed these and don't agree with your interpretation. I have presented a counter in the form of some questions that should help clarify why you think what you do in a way that addresses the contradictions in your statements.

Here it is again:

Why do you think Jesus is YHWH when Jesus is the cornerstone that YHWH laid? How did you get to that conclusion when Jesus' name isn't YHWH and miscellaneous other passages clearly place YHWH and Jesus beside each other and demonstrate they aren't the same person? Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1 for example.
 
Runningman said:
I've already addressed these and don't agree with your interpretation. I have presented a counter in the form of some questions that should help clarify why you think what you do in a way that addresses the contradictions in your statements.

Here it is again:

Why do you think Jesus is YHWH when Jesus is the cornerstone that YHWH laid? How did you get to that conclusion when Jesus' name isn't YHWH and miscellaneous other passages clearly place YHWH and Jesus beside each other and demonstrate they aren't the same person? Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1 for example.
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You ignored the text

the issue is who do you call on for salvation under the new covenant

For that you must go to the New covenant

You do not do that and ignore the obvious

what name is given for salvation in the new covenant

Acts 4:10–12 (KJV 1900) — 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 10:4–13 (KJV 1900) — 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Who are men to confess with their mouth?

Who is the only lord mentioned in the passage?
 
TomL said:
You ignored the text

the issue is who do you call on for salvation under the new covenant

For that you must go to the New covenant

You do not do that and ignore the obvious

what name is given for salvation in the new covenant

Acts 4:10–12 (KJV 1900) — 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 10:4–13 (KJV 1900) — 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Who are men to confess with their mouth?

Who is the only lord mentioned in the passage?
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I got it. I hear you. Lord Jesus isn't the LORD in Scripture. Where are you seeing that at? That's what we need you to explain. Bolding and highlight words isn't explaining why you think that?

You keep quoting Jesus being the cornerstone. Great! Amen! Hallelujah!

That isn't God though. Look at the verse again.

This is about Jesus:
Acts 4
11This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’
12Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

This is not about Jesus:
Romans 10
13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Why are you conflating Jesus with YHWH when they are not the same person? You are nuking this, possibly getting thrown off by the word "Lord" when in the context of Scripture they aren't the same person. I need you to show me how you are equating Jesus to YHWH, somehow.
 
Runningman said:
I got it. I hear you. Lord Jesus isn't the LORD in Scripture. Where are you seeing that at? That's what we need you to explain. Bolding and highlight words isn't explaining why you think that?
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Are you able to see?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
Hello the lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (ESV) — 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

here lord is the same word we see here

Romans 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Kurios

Confessing Christ as lord is a matter of salvation

You deny it

Do the math

Once again you are found denying scripture
 
TomL said:
Are you able to see?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
Hello the lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (ESV) — 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

here lord is the same word we see here

Romans 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Kurios

Confessing Christ as lord is a matter of salvation

You deny it

Do the math

Once again you are found denying scripture
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Lord of the church, yes, not the Lord of heaven and earth. According to Scripture, God the Father is Lord of heaven and earth in Matthew 11:25 and Acts 17:24,25. You're mixing and matching Lords when the Lords you're referring to don't even share the same names, titles, authority, etc.

I also may be wrongly assuming that you knew that where the OT says LORD that it actually translates to YHWH, which is God's personal name. Since you don't seem to be grasping this in Acts 4 or Romans 10, where YHWH is not the cornerstone, but Jesus is, then we need to look at more examples. Something as important as your salvation cannot be misunderstood.

We'll look at Hebrews and Psalms to show you Jesus and God side by side to prove that one isn't the other.

In Hebrews 1:5, Jesus is the Son of God who identifies Himself as Father:

Hebrews 1​
5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”?​

In Psalm 2:7, Jesus is the Son of YHWH, who is once again identified as Father.

Psalm 2​
7I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father.​

In Hebrews 1:13, God tells Jesus to sit at His right hand:

Hebrews 1​
13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”​

In Psalm 110:1, Jesus is told to sit at YHWH's right hand:

Psalm 110​
1The LORD said to my Lord:“ Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”​

See it more clearly now?
 
Runningman said:
Lord of the church, yes, not the Lord of heaven and earth. According to Scripture, God the Father is Lord of heaven and earth in Matthew 11:25 and Acts 17:24,25. You're mixing and matching Lords when the Lords you're referring to don't even share the same names, titles, authority, etc.

I also may be wrongly assuming that you knew that where the OT says LORD that it actually translates to YHWH, which is God's personal name. Since you don't seem to be grasping this in Acts 4 or Romans 10, where YHWH is not the cornerstone, but Jesus is, then we need to look at more examples. Something as important as your salvation cannot be misunderstood.

We'll look at Hebrews and Psalms to show you Jesus and God side by side to prove that one isn't the other.

In Hebrews 1:5, Jesus is the Son of God who identifies Himself as Father:

Hebrews 1​
5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”?​

In Psalm 2:7, Jesus is the Son of YHWH, who is once again identified as Father.

Psalm 2​
7I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father.​

In Hebrews 1:13, God tells Jesus to sit at His right hand:

Hebrews 1​
13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”​

In Psalm 110:1, Jesus is told to sit at YHWH's right hand:

Psalm 110​
1The LORD said to my Lord:“ Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”​

See it more clearly now?
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This is not dodge ball

Jesus Christ is the lord you need to call on for salvation

Are you able to see?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
Hello the lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (ESV) — 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

here lord is the same word we see here

Romans 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Kurios

Confessing Christ as lord is a matter of salvation

You deny it

Do the math

Once again you are found denying scripture

BTW you are not telling me anything about LORD I do not know

In Rom 10 the Lord one calls on for salvation is kurios and context shows it to be Jesus
 
TomL said:
This is not dodge ball

Jesus Christ is the lord you need to call on for salvation

Are you able to see?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
Hello the lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (ESV) — 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

here lord is the same word we see here

Romans 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Kurios

Confessing Christ as lord is a matter of salvation

You deny it

Do the math

Once again you are found denying scripture

BTW you are not telling me anything about LORD I do not know

In Rom 10 the Lord one calls on for salvation is kurios and context shows it to be Jesus
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You're going to need do to a lot more explaining that just pasting the same old worn out arguments. How is Jesus the LORD that people call on to be saved when in Scripture he isn't the LORD YHWH?
 
Runningman said:
You're going to need do to a lot more explaining that just pasting the same old worn out arguments. How is Jesus the LORD that people call on to be saved when in Scripture he isn't the LORD YHWH?
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Who is called lord in the passage

Jesus or God?

This is not dodge ball

Jesus Christ is the lord you need to call on for salvation

Are you able to see?

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
Hello the lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:9 (ESV) — 9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NIV) — 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (UASV) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 10:9 (NASB 2020) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

here lord is the same word we see here

Romans 10:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Kurios

Confessing Christ as lord is a matter of salvation

You deny it

Do the math

Once again you are found denying scripture

BTW you are not telling me anything about LORD I do not know

LORD does not appear in Rom 10:9-13

In Rom 10 the Lord one calls on for salvation is kurios and context shows it to be Jesus

The passage is clear

Jesus is the lord spoken of here and all you can do is deny what the passage states
 
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY said:
In the days of nimrod the peoples built as physcial tower they beleived would reach to GOD .
THEY were one , they had common ground . and that common ground was to try and build a tower to reach to heaven .
Rather odd i seem to see the same pattern today .
TODAY the peoples holler we are one , and they find common ground with all religoins
beliving this path , THIS SO CALLED TOWER reaches to heaven .
This we are one and everone serves the same god stuff , YEAH , that lie , that tower
ITS COMING DOWN on theday of the LORD .
TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT and believe a lie , and there is no escape from the wrath of GOD .
Rather it provokes HIS WRATH . JESUS is getting denied and most folks just see it as love and GOD has made the path BROAD .
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Studyman said:
The God portrayed in the Holy Scriptures is a Spirit, according to Scriptures. The Christ, before becoming a man, was a Spirit as well, that existed in the Minds of the Prophets who prophesied of Him becoming a man and dwelling among humans in human form.

Gen. 3: 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become "as one of us", to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

I just posted Paul's words, who in my opinion knows more than you about God and the Law and Prophets, which tell you the Spiritual Rock that fed and watered (instructed and guided) Israel, was the Spirit of Christ, "Before" HE became a man in the person of Jesus.

I understand how his teaching brings question to the Philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting to others, and therefore, as is the tradition of religious men, you have the fleshy urge to ignore or discount Paul as mistaken. Perhaps it is wise to consider allowing Scriptures to correct us, instead of us working to correct them.



Again, you are injecting your own personal bias into the Scripture to the point of actually making up stuff that doesn't exist.

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "with God", and the Word "was God". 2 The same was in the beginning "with God". 3 All things were made by him; (The Word of God) and without "him" was not anything made that was made. 4 "In him" (The Word of God) was life; and the life was the light of men.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld "his" glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So you see? The Word of God is a HE, according to John, not a thing as you are promoting to others.




Gen. 15: 1 After these things "the word of the LORD" came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: "I" (The Word of the Lord) am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.

Ex. 9: 20 He that feared the word of the LORD among the servants of Pharaoh made his servants and his cattle flee into the houses: 21 And he that "regarded not" the word of the LORD left his servants and his cattle in the field.

Num. 15: 31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken "his" (The Word of the Lord's) commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

So you see? In your attempt to justify your adopted religion, you have again promoted falsehoods about God and HIS Word, teaching that the "Word of God" was not an actual living being, but a thing.

The question is, can you be corrected, or are you just like many of the other preachers on this forum not capable of "yielding themselves" to the "Word of God" who became flesh.



It's about a religious philosophy you have adopted and are now promoting to others. The Scriptures teach that the Word of God "became Flesh" in the person of Jesus. You are preaching that the Word of God "created" the person Jesus. I know the Scriptures, but who are you?



Can you show me one place in my post where I said, suggested or even implied that Jesus was a thousands of years old mortal human? Come on sir, God is a Spirit, and the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, the "Rock" of David's Salvation, was also a Spirit. This Rock, this "Word of God" that was with God, "Became" a mortal human and dwelled among men. And what does it say about this Spirit who became a man?

Phil. 2: 6 Who, being in "the form of God", (A Spirit guiding Israel in the Wilderness) thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

No longer a Spirit, but a mortal human being, as He said, "He Laid down His Life".

8 And being found in fashion as a man, (When was this sir? when HE was 6 months old crapping His diaper, of when HE grew up and was old enough to understand who HE was?) he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore (Because of this) God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name "which is above every name":



But as the Scriptures clearly show, John didn't call the Word of God "A Thing". John called the Word of God, "HE". The same in Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, and throughout the entire Bible.

1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the "word of the LORD", "he" ( The Word of the Lord) hath also rejected thee from being king.

You, not John, not the Law and Prophets, not anyone in the entire Bible, are calling the "Word of the Lord" a "thing".

Shouldn't a man believe what is written?



What makes a man? Flesh? Bones? Or thoughts? Without thoughts, what is a man? A pile of blood cells and water. As the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches. Thoughts can exist in a Spirit, but without thoughts, the flesh is nothing.

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

"For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."



There is nothing in Scriptures which even remotely promotes what you are promoting here. The Spirit which "became a man" in the person of Jesus, existed even before Abraham. Jesus tries to tell you this, but some men cannot receive Him. If I were you, I would stop adopting the religious philosophies of whoever it is that is teaching you and place your trust in the God Inspired Holy Scriptures, " for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

It can be humiliating at first, but humiliation is the cure for pride.




The mortal man Jesus did pre-exist in the foreknowledge of God. But the Spirit of Christ which became the mortal man Jesus, existed with His Father before the world was. At least according to the Jesus "of the Bible".



To deny that the Spirit of Christ wasn't active in the OT, as the "Word of God" is foolishness at best, and evil at worse.
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@ Runningman

It seems I may owe you an apology concerning what the Scriptures actually reveal the "Word of God" as. I was arrogant and foolish. I didn't promote that the man Jesus, existed with God before the world was, but I did believe it was a separate Spirit of Christ which existed with Him before the world was. But someone showed me that the Spirit that was in the man Jesus, was God's Spirit, and this is true. Just as the Love that was in the man Jesus, was God's Love, and this too was true. Just as the Righteousness that existed in the man Jesus, was God's Righteousness, this also is true. And all these attributes of God which defined the man Jesus, existed with God even before the World was.

I am sorry I treated you badly.
 

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