DavidTree
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Runningman
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The Bible says call on the name of the LORD to be saved. You have never called on YHWH to be saved? The Bible says to call on YHWH to be saved, not Jesus. Which verse says call on Jesus to be saved?
DavidTree
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the other jesus just showed up = Post 543
Have a good time with that jesus.
May the God of Truth guard your hearts in YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach
Selah
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Thank you, David. What a nice thing to say.
civic
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Iguanas get pretty big.
DavidTree
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i meant what i said
DavidTree
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But do they taste like chicken?Iguanas get pretty big.
Some restaurants in Florida think they do!
And in some restaurants in New Jersey, road kill is either chicken or beef - depending............
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I don't let her chase the iguanas. I am talking about the little ones. I saw an iguana once that was so big I thought it was an alligatorIguanas get pretty big.
Acts 4:10–12 (KJV 1900) — 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Romans 10:9–13 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Runningman
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So you don't have anything in the Bible that says to call on Jesus to be saved. Stop making claims about things that aren't there.
For starters, Jesus isn't YHWH. In The Bible God and Jesus aren't the same person.
Yhe verses you quoted refer to Jesus as the cornerstone who was laid by YHWH. Therefore Jesus isn't YHWH or the Lord to call or to be saved.
Isaiah 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.
Joel 2
32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.
Seriously? How long will you continue to deny the biblical evidence.
Acts 4:10–12 (KJV 1900) — 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Note Jesus Christ is the only name whereby we must be saved
Romans 10:9–13 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
in Context lord here is the lord Jesus who we call on for salvation. This is no other name by which we can be saved
Runningman
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Yes, but the name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved isn't the same thing as calling on the name of the Lord. When are you going to stop denying the Biblical evidence that Jesus and YHWH aren't the same person in the Bible? It plainly says in Isaiah 28:16 that the cornerstone YHWH laid isn't Himself. The cornerstone is someone else.
Isaiah 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.
Sure it is
Did you just ignore
Romans 10:9–13 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
in Context lord here is the lord Jesus who we call on for salvation. There is no other name by which we can be saved Acts 4:10-12
BTW the New Testament is clear Christ is the cornerstone
Ephesians 2:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Acts 4:11–12 (NASB 2020) — 11 He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. 12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among mankind by which we must be saved.”
your theology is easily refuted by an appeal to the New Testament which you must continually fail to account for
BTW this is an excellant example of what I noted previously. Titles, functions attributed to YHWH in the Old Testament are attributed to Jesus Christ in the New Testament
Runningman
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Did you ignore that the Lord Jesus isn't God in the passage? That the only God mentioned is the LORD YHWH? The cornerstone isn't YHWH. The cornerstone is Jesus, the human messiah. I already showed you the Scripture. You don't believe it. I doubt you have called on the LORD YHWH to be saved. You also seem to me misunderstanding that where the word for Lord is used it's not always referring to the same person.
Are you serious?
Did you just ignore
Romans 10:9–13 (KJV 1900) — 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
in Context lord here is the lord Jesus who we call on for salvation. There is no other name by which we can be saved Acts 4:10-12
BTW the New Testament is clear Christ is the cornerstone
Ephesians 2:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Acts 4:11–12 (NASB 2020) — 11 He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. 12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among mankind by which we must be saved.”
Runningman
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Are you serious man? Paul quoted several Old Testament verses here. Look at who the name of the Lord is to call on to be saved.
Step 1:
The cornerstone is not YHWH.
Isaiah 28
16So this is what the Lord GOD says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a tested stone,
a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
the one who believes will never be shaken.
Step 2:
YHWH is the one to call on to be be saved.
Joel 2
32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.
YHWH is God in Scripture. Jesus isn't. You can't see this yet. Read it several times and look up the verses from the OT.
civic
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Joel 2:32 is 100% speaking of the Son as Paul declares He is the One Lord ( YHWH) one must confess to be saved. Roman’s 10:9-13.
To Confess
NT:3670 o(mologe/w homologeo (hom-ol-og-eh'-o);
Strong's Concordance
homologeó: to speak the same, to agree
Original Word: ὁμολογέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: homologeó
Phonetic Spelling: (hom-ol-og-eh'-o)
Definition: to speak the same, to agree
Usage: (a) I promise, agree, (b) I confess, (c) I publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, I praise, celebrate.
3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse)
Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.
Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T
Rom 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.
hope this helps!!!
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