Justification by Faith

[Doug Brents]

Your faith is either by Grace Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Or by the flesh and law keeping Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Cant mix law and Grace friend Gal 5:4

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You continue to make mistakes because of your preconceptions. Faith being exhibited by man is not "Law keeping".
Look at the whole context of Rom 4:16
"Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “Faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist. 18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. 22 Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification."

You see, it is our faith in response to our trust in Christ's promise that leads to our reception of salvation, just as it was through Abraham's obedience that he was counted righteous (James 2:22).

 

[brightfame52]

You continue to make mistakes because of your preconceptions. Faith being exhibited by man is not "Law keeping".
Look at the whole context of Rom 4:16
"Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “Faith was credited to Abraham as righteousness.” 10 How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, that is, God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that do not exist. 18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. 22 Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 He who was delivered over because of our wrongdoings, and was raised because of our justification."

You see, it is our faith in response to our trust in Christ's promise that leads to our reception of salvation, just as it was through Abraham's obedience that he was counted righteous (James 2:22).

There's no mistake, your faith is either by Grace which is by the Spirit or its by the flesh, which is your work of the law, and Im going to tell you right now Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

 

[Doug Brents]

There's no mistake, your faith is either by Grace which is by the Spirit or its by the flesh, which is your work of the law, and Im going to tell you right now Gal 3:10

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Again, you use passages out of context and do not understand what you are saying.
Again, look at the context of Gal 3:10:
"Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness [connected with James 2:22 showing that his actions made his faith complete and contributed to his being called righteous]. 7 Therefore, recognize that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer [and doer of God's commands].

10 For all who are of works of the Law [Works of the Law, not any works whatsoever] are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Notice the last phrase, we receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. We do not receive faith WITH the promise.

 

[brightfame52]

Again, you use passages out of context and do not understand what you are saying.
Again, look at the context of Gal 3:10:
"Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness [connected with James 2:22 showing that his actions made his faith complete and contributed to his being called righteous]. 7 Therefore, recognize that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8 The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer [and doer of God's commands].

10 For all who are of works of the Law [Works of the Law, not any works whatsoever] are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all the things written in the book of the Law, to do them.” 11 Now, that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “the righteous one will live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “The person who performs them will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."

Notice the last phrase, we receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. We do not receive faith WITH the promise.

Again, your faith is either of Grace or a work of the law, your flesh

 

[Doug Brents]

Again, your faith is either of Grace or a work of the law, your flesh

You keep saying that, even after you have been shown that Scripture says differently. I know you can't find a Scripture that really says that, because it does not exist; it is a fabrication of your imagination to make Calvin's teaching make sense. Calvin was wrong. His doctrine does not fit with Scripture, and the only way to make it do so is to twist, misread, and/or ignore many Scriptures.

 

[brightfame52]

For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

 

[Doug Brents]

For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

This is true, but it is only part of the picture. This is like looking at the Mona Lisa and saying it is a great picture of a nose. There is much more to be seen if you zoom out and see the whole picture.

Yes, the path to salvation was created because of Jesus' faithfulness in fulfilling the commandments of the Law on our behalf. Because of that we can be given His righteousness, because He took on our sin and died the death we deserved. But we do not receive the benefit of that sacrifice without exhibiting our own faith in Him. We must show our love for Him in our obedience to Him to receive His righteousness. If we do not exhibit our faith, then we remain in our sin.

 

[brightfame52]

For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

This is true, but it is only part of the picture. This is like looking at the Mona Lisa and saying it is a great picture of a nose. There is much more to be seen if you zoom out and see the whole picture.

Yes, the path to salvation was created because of Jesus' faithfulness in fulfilling the commandments of the Law on our behalf. Because of that we can be given His righteousness, because He took on our sin and died the death we deserved. But we do not receive the benefit of that sacrifice without exhibiting our own faith in Him. We must show our love for Him in our obedience to Him to receive His righteousness. If we do not exhibit our faith, then we remain in our sin.

You trust in your human faith, thats the arm of the flesh, or your own righteousness Jer 17:5

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

 

[Doug Brents]

For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

You trust in your human faith, thats the arm of the flesh, or your own righteousness Jer 17:5

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

No, I trust in God's promises. His promises have conditions. There is no blessing without action (faith).
Read all of the OT stories of God's promises and blessings. Every one has an action that is required of the recipient.
Jericho - march around the city for 7 days.
Widow with the oil - pour into all the jars you can get.
Etc. These are just a couple, but the list could go on all day.

God has promised that if we exhibit our faith in Him; if we trust in Him and do what He commands, we will receive the blessing of forgiveness and righteousness in Christ that He provided for those who obey Him. You don't have to believe in God's commands, and you also don't have to receive His blessing. But His blessing is only for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9).

 

[brightfame52]

No, I trust in God's promises. His promises have conditions. There is no blessing without action (faith).
Read all of the OT stories of God's promises and blessings. Every one has an action that is required of the recipient.
Jericho - march around the city for 7 days.
Widow with the oil - pour into all the jars you can get.
Etc. These are just a couple, but the list could go on all day.

God has promised that if we exhibit our faith in Him; if we trust in Him and do what He commands, we will receive the blessing of forgiveness and righteousness in Christ that He provided for those who obey Him. You don't have to believe in God's commands, and you also don't have to receive His blessing. But His blessing is only for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9).

Faith is either human faith that's under the Law, or Faith that's by Grace and is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit. You talk about your human faith, so you seek Justification by the works of the Law, the flesh.

 

[Doug Brents]

For the Elect of God, the Faith/Faithfulness of Christ perfectly fulfilled the Law on their behalf Rom 5:19, He achieved for them a Justifying Righteousness before Gods Law and Justice. He accomplished this by His perfect Faithfulness, Obedience which included suffering all the just penalty due to their sins. See Christ was Faithful to Him that appointed Him Heb 3:1-2

Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

You trust in your human faith, thats the arm of the flesh, or your own righteousness Jer 17:5

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

No, I trust in God's promises. His promises have conditions. There is no blessing without action (faith).
Read all of the OT stories of God's promises and blessings. Every one has an action that is required of the recipient.
Jericho - march around the city for 7 days.
Widow with the oil - pour into all the jars you can get.
Etc. These are just a couple, but the list could go on all day.

God has promised that if we exhibit our faith in Him; if we trust in Him and do what He commands, we will receive the blessing of forgiveness and righteousness in Christ that He provided for those who obey Him. You don't have to believe in God's commands, and you also don't have to receive His blessing. But His blessing is only for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9).

Faith is either human faith that's under the Law, or Faith that's by Grace and is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit. You talk about your human faith, so you seek Justification by the works of the Law, the flesh.

You keep saying that, but it has already been shown to be false, leading me to understand that you don't really care about truth, only about your preconceptions and promoting calvinism. Just repeating something over and over does not make it true.

 

[brightfame52]

No, I trust in God's promises. His promises have conditions. There is no blessing without action (faith).
Read all of the OT stories of God's promises and blessings. Every one has an action that is required of the recipient.
Jericho - march around the city for 7 days.
Widow with the oil - pour into all the jars you can get.
Etc. These are just a couple, but the list could go on all day.

God has promised that if we exhibit our faith in Him; if we trust in Him and do what He commands, we will receive the blessing of forgiveness and righteousness in Christ that He provided for those who obey Him. You don't have to believe in God's commands, and you also don't have to receive His blessing. But His blessing is only for those who obey Him (Heb 5:9).

You keep saying that, but it has already been shown to be false, leading me to understand that you don't really care about truth, only about your preconceptions and promoting calvinism. Just repeating something over and over does not make it true.

Faith is either out of the flesh, or out of Grace. You are speaking of your own human faith, not the faith given by grace through the Spirit, so your faith is a law keeping faith, you are justified by keeping the law, good luck with that. Gal 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[civic]

What is the Faith of Jesus Christ ? For example:

Rom 3:22

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:22

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Contrary to what many believe and teach, the genitive phrase Faith of Jesus Christ is not speaking of the believers Faith, but of Christs Faith/Faithfulness. The word Faith in all three of these scriptures are genitive nouns meaning its Christs own Faith/Faithfulness in view. To be Justified by the Faith of Christ is simply being Justified by His Faithfulness or Obedience. Rom 5:19 points to that, its being made righteous by the obedience of one, that one being Christ.

Same thing in Phil 3:9

And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Gods Elect are made, declared legally righteous or Justified by Christs Faithful Obedience to fulfill all conditions needed before Gods Law and Justice in their behalf.

Did Jesus have Faith ?

My top 10 reasons why Jesus had no need for faith !

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

Since Jesus is God He has perfect knowledge of all things as He claimed and the disciples affirmed on numerous occasions when they said we know that you are the Son of God for you know all things. Jesus knew what was in mans heart. There is no reason for Jesus to have faith since He knows all things and all things were made by Him and through Him and in Him all things exist. He knows the beginning from the end as the Creator. He shares all the same Divine attributes as the Father and the Holy Spirit. There is no faith in heaven there is only sight. The 2 natures in Christ solve the question of faith and Jesus as a man has all the attributes of God. So Jesus had no need for faith since He sees the things unseen by man. He always said and did what He heard and saw the Father doing 24/7 read about it in John 5.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

The bible makes it clear that believers were at first before they believed, Justified by the Faith or Faithfulness of Jesus Christ Gal 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Understanding that the elects Justification was completely effected by Jesus Christ, that it was finished objectively by the Faithful Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ as our Surety representative.

Lets look at the times Paul uses the phrase or similar Faith of Jesus Christ Rom 3:22

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Gal 2:16,20

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 3:22

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Eph 3:12

12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Phil 3:9

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

And its interesting this phrase is used 7 times !

 

[Joe]

Yes so, your human faith is involved in your salvation which makes it by the flesh and works, or Faith that is by Grace, the fruit of the Spirit.

Human faith??? What is human faith? Where is this mentioned in the bible?

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith as: "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

Faith is faith. The determining factor is what one has faith in.

One may have faith in his moral performance for justification and disbelieves in Jesus Christ...this one's faith damned him.
Another may have faith in his unbelief of God entirely...this one's faith damned him.
And another may have faith that Jesus Christ is God's Son who died for their sins and rose to give them eternal life...This one's faith justified him.

"we have been justified by faith"...This you keep avoiding even though the light of it shines brightly in the darkness of your belief system.
Stop denying it and embrace it brother!

God Bless

 

[civic]

Human faith??? What is human faith? Where is this mentioned in the bible?

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith as: "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

Faith is faith. The determining factor is what one has faith in.

One may have faith in his moral performance for justification and disbelieves in Jesus Christ...this one's faith damned him.
Another may have faith in his unbelief of God entirely...this one's faith damned him.
And another may have faith that Jesus Christ is God's Son who died for their sins and rose to give them eternal life...This one's faith justified him.

"we have been justified by faith"...This you keep avoiding even though the light of it shines brightly in the darkness of your belief system.
Stop denying it and embrace it brother!

God Bless

And we know Jesus on many occasions told those who trusted in Him- YOUR FAITH has made you well, saved you. Not the faith Jesus gave them. He was astounded on a few occasions the great faith He saw in some to the shame of His own disciples( His elect,chosen ). Many unbelievers had greater faith than His disciples had. Jesus even made that very point to them.

 

[brightfame52]

Human faith??? What is human faith? Where is this mentioned in the bible?

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith as: "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

Faith is faith. The determining factor is what one has faith in.

One may have faith in his moral performance for justification and disbelieves in Jesus Christ...this one's faith damned him.
Another may have faith in his unbelief of God entirely...this one's faith damned him.
And another may have faith that Jesus Christ is God's Son who died for their sins and rose to give them eternal life...This one's faith justified him.

"we have been justified by faith"...This you keep avoiding even though the light of it shines brightly in the darkness of your belief system.
Stop denying it and embrace it brother!

God Bless

Human faith is faith man has by nature.

 

[Joe]

Human faith is faith man has by nature.

Please use the bible to prove your assertion that there are different kinds of faith. I have not read anything comparable to your assertion one time in the bible. If I were going to classify anything as human faith, to use your term, I would think you are exhibiting human faith in a spurious belief about faith. Please, this is not intended as an insult against you. We all, especially me have wrong understandings that must be corrected.

We know "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen", and that "faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Faith comes by hearing the Gospel message of Jesus Christ preached. If one does not hear the message, they cannot believe. If one hears the message they can believe, or disbelieve for reasons; but in any case, faith in Jesus Christ comes by hearing the message. (ref: Rom 10:17, Matt 13:9-23)

There is a righteousness of our own that comes from the law, and a righteousness which comes through faith in Christ; the latter being the gift of righteousness from God that is received by faith. (ref: Php 3:9)

Being saved by faith instead of moral performance to the Law is by the grace of God, leaving no workings of good deeds that man can boast. (ref: Eph 2:8-9)

There are two different contrasts that we see in the bible; one depends on his own works to save him, and the other has faith in the blood of Jesus Christ to save him. The Apostle Paul explained quite well "we have been justified by faith" and "Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand".

This faith that we have came by hearing the Gospel message of Jesus Christ. I would even argue that by the convictions of the Holy Spirit we became convinced of Jesus Christ and believed.

There is no human faith. There is only faith.
Faith is faith no matter what you believe in.

God Bless

 

[brightfame52]

Please use the bible to prove your assertion that there are different kinds of faith. I have not read anything comparable to your assertion one time in the bible. If I were going to classify anything as human faith, to use your term, I would think you are exhibiting human faith in a spurious belief about faith. Please, this is not intended as an insult against you. We all, especially me have wrong understandings that must be corrected.

We know "faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen", and that "faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ."

Faith comes by hearing the Gospel message of Jesus Christ preached. If one does not hear the message, they cannot believe. If one hears the message they can believe, or disbelieve for reasons; but in any case, faith in Jesus Christ comes by hearing the message. (ref: Rom 10:17, Matt 13:9-23)

There is a righteousness of our own that comes from the law, and a righteousness which comes through faith in Christ; the latter being the gift of righteousness from God that is received by faith. (ref: Php 3:9)

Being saved by faith instead of moral performance to the Law is by the grace of God, leaving no workings of good deeds that man can boast. (ref: Eph 2:8-9)

There are two different contrasts that we see in the bible; one depends on his own works to save him, and the other has faith in the blood of Jesus Christ to save him. The Apostle Paul explained quite well "we have been justified by faith" and "Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand".

This faith that we have came by hearing the Gospel message of Jesus Christ. I would even argue that by the convictions of the Holy Spirit we became convinced of Jesus Christ and believed.

There is no human faith. There is only faith.
Faith is faith no matter what you believe in.

God Bless

What do you mean use the bible to prove my assertion, you dont believe human beings have faith ? The devils have faith James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Most humans believe in God or a god, thats faith !

So do you believe in devils faith now ? Yet their believing has nothing to do with Justification by faith. You need to do more research, you seem to be unlearned

 

[Doug Brents]

What do you mean use the bible to prove my assertion, you dont believe human beings have faith ? The devils have faith James 2:19

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Most humans believe in God or a god, thats faith !

So do you believe in devils faith now ? Yet their believing has nothing to do with Justification by faith. You need to do more research, you seem to be unlearned

The devils do not have faith. They have belief (intellectual assent), but they put no action behind that belief.
Human belief in a god is not faith in THE GOD, and so has no impact of salvation.