Jesus denied being God

I can't read past your first sentence because you're still doing it. You're using words that are not in the Bible. There are no words that say Jewish Christian. Now like I said before you can write your own book and use your own words. But we are trying to understand God's book and not your book and God does not use the words Jewish Christian. Nowhere.
There doesn't have to be "Jewish Christian" when all of Messiahship was of Jewish origin found in Scripture. The Scripture records everything having to do with redemption and salvation is of the Jews:

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

None of these things concerning salvation which Jesus says is "of the Jews" is ever said of Gentiles. Messiah was promised to Israel and to Israel Messiah came.
Israel possesses
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;

And this is salvation of the Jews as Jesus said.
 
Stop digging. You compound your first lie by adding a second lie.
I prefer you just not to say a thing rather than trying to walk your error back and try to camouflage your first error with a second error. Adam and the woman did that in the Garden and were found to be liars.
so, we can take this as you have no scripture to rebut 101G. thought so. simple SEED as in ONE is by FAITH, and not by blood..... :cry: try again..... NO, just learn in silents.

101G.
 
There doesn't have to be "Jewish Christian" when all of Messiahship was of Jewish origin found in Scripture. The Scripture records everything having to do with redemption and salvation is of the Jews:

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

None of these things concerning salvation which Jesus says is "of the Jews" is ever said of Gentiles. Messiah was promised to Israel and to Israel Messiah came.
Israel possesses
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;

And this is salvation of the Jews as Jesus said.
Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
 
There doesn't have to be "Jewish Christian" when all of Messiahship was of Jewish origin found in Scripture. The Scripture records everything having to do with redemption and salvation is of the Jews:

4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Rom. 9:4–5.

None of these things concerning salvation which Jesus says is "of the Jews" is ever said of Gentiles. Messiah was promised to Israel and to Israel Messiah came.
Israel possesses
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;

And this is salvation of the Jews as Jesus said.
the Messiah was not only for the Jews. my God how hard is it? LISTEN, the Messiah was promised to the world. 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." and the promise was to the NATIONS... including Israel. Genesis 17:5 "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee."

Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." this seed here means CHRIST. and it is by Christ, the Holy Spirit that we have the LAW, not the Mosaic law, but God LAW written in our HEARTS. do you know what it means by writing God's LAW in our Hearts/Spirit? well Listen, Zechariah 4:6 "Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." it is the HOLY SPIRIT what is within us that is the LAW of God is obeyed. God himself in us. and the LAW that is written on our HEARTS/spirts is found in Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" THAT'S ALL GOD REQUIRE. in the NT, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (THERE IS THE LAW OF GOD, WRITTEN ON OUR HEARTS, the Holy Spirit). John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." and he did on Pentecost. and this was prophesied in the OT Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." and this was fulfilled on PENTECOST. yes, for the world, for Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." not just jews only, but "devout men.... from where? EVERY NATION.

see, you JEWS must look pass your Jewish eyes. and put on God eyes. fleshly eyes don't count.

101G.
 
Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
Two things of relevant importance that cannot be missed.

God never made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel and not Gentiles.
One needs the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel in order to be saved.
The whole of Scripture from Genesis to Malachi is a history of God and the children that eventually would be called the children of Israel.
Matthew to Revelation (along with other texts not included in what will be called the New Testament) was written by Jewish Christians to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians. The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation was written by Jews who became born-again by the Spirit of Promise promised to Israel and is a record through gospel and epistle of Jews discussing the New Covenant era Israel found herself in with the advent of both Jesus the Messiah/Christ and the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel.
God never ordained any "New Testament" to be gathered in order to make a "New Testament" bible. This "bible" was put together by non-Hebrew Gentiles and was not necessary nor ordained by God. The Hebrew Scripture was enough for the Jew to come to the knowledge of the truth concerning the New Covenant era that began with Jesus of Nazareth and continued with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel. It was their covenant and in time and with the Holy Spirit's arrival (the Comforter like unto Jesus) the children of Israel understood the "new thing" God was doing in the earth (land of Israel - eretz.)
It is important to make distinction in order to understand the New Covenant God made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as prophesied by Jeremiah.
 
the Messiah was not only for the Jews. my God how hard is it? LISTEN, the Messiah was promised to the world. 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." and the promise was to the NATIONS... including Israel. Genesis 17:5 "Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee."

Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." this seed here means CHRIST. and it is by Christ, the Holy Spirit that we have the LAW, not the Mosaic law, but God LAW written in our HEARTS. do you know what it means by writing God's LAW in our Hearts/Spirit? well Listen, Zechariah 4:6 "Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts." it is the HOLY SPIRIT what is within us that is the LAW of God is obeyed. God himself in us. and the LAW that is written on our HEARTS/spirts is found in Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" THAT'S ALL GOD REQUIRE. in the NT, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (THERE IS THE LAW OF GOD, WRITTEN ON OUR HEARTS, the Holy Spirit). John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." and he did on Pentecost. and this was prophesied in the OT Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:" Joel 2:29 "And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." and this was fulfilled on PENTECOST. yes, for the world, for Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." not just jews only, but "devout men.... from where? EVERY NATION.

see, you JEWS must look pass your Jewish eyes. and put on God eyes. fleshly eyes don't count.

101G.
Thanks. But you are reading the Hebrew Scripture written by Jews to and for Jewish Christians and other Jews like a Gentile with a Gentile mindset. The central figure in Israel's history is Jesus Christ and the children of Israel. God never made any covenant with Gentiles and thus Gentiles are outside the covenants of God. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel NOT Gentiles.
Scripture cannot be broken, and your interpretation breaks Scripture.
 
Thanks. But you are reading the Hebrew Scripture written by Jews to and for Jewish Christians and other Jews like a Gentile with a Gentile mindset. The central figure in Israel's history is Jesus Christ and the children of Israel. God never made any covenant with Gentiles and thus Gentiles are outside the covenants of God. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel NOT Gentiles.
Scripture cannot be broken, and your interpretation breaks Scripture.
first off there is no such thing as a Jewish Christian, nor a Gentile Christian. second, "The central figure in Israel's history is Jesus Christ and the children of Israel. God never made any covenant with Gentiles and thus Gentiles are outside the covenants of God. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel NOT Gentiles." a big ERROR. Gentiles was keeping God Law before Israel as a Nation was even born. Job and Moses father-in-Law are clear examples of this. and especially Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God. in whom the Lord Jesus is the NOW high priest of that priesthood, and not the Levitical priesthood. now, was Melchisedec Jewish? no. nor Job, who was RIGHTIOUS before God without the WRITTEN Law in stone.... (smile).... Oh my. and on top of that Job was a son of God without the written Law on Stone.... as 101G said before Israel is a Johnny come lately. Israel was just a nation as anyone else. nothing special.

now LET 101G in on a mystery that need to be taught. the LAW that was written on stone, GENTILE men like Job was already keep the Law of God in their hearts..... meaning been LEAD BY THE SPIRIT. now do 101G have scripture to back this up? yes, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" that's all God requires. from these three things, came the 10 written on stone. because Israel was slow and stiff-necked, and hardhearted in understanding the concept of the three. other words Israel was gross IGNORANT to the things of God.

101G.
 
Two things of relevant importance that cannot be missed.

God never made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel and not Gentiles.
One needs the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel in order to be saved.
The whole of Scripture from Genesis to Malachi is a history of God and the children that eventually would be called the children of Israel.
Matthew to Revelation (along with other texts not included in what will be called the New Testament) was written by Jewish Christians to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians. The New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation was written by Jews who became born-again by the Spirit of Promise promised to Israel and is a record through gospel and epistle of Jews discussing the New Covenant era Israel found herself in with the advent of both Jesus the Messiah/Christ and the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel.
God never ordained any "New Testament" to be gathered in order to make a "New Testament" bible. This "bible" was put together by non-Hebrew Gentiles and was not necessary nor ordained by God. The Hebrew Scripture was enough for the Jew to come to the knowledge of the truth concerning the New Covenant era that began with Jesus of Nazareth and continued with the advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise promised to Israel. It was their covenant and in time and with the Holy Spirit's arrival (the Comforter like unto Jesus) the children of Israel understood the "new thing" God was doing in the earth (land of Israel - eretz.)
It is important to make distinction in order to understand the New Covenant God made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah as prophesied by Jeremiah.
Romans 11:13-19
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
 
first off there is no such thing as a Jewish Christian, nor a Gentile Christian. second, "The central figure in Israel's history is Jesus Christ and the children of Israel. God never made any covenant with Gentiles and thus Gentiles are outside the covenants of God. The Holy Spirit of Promise was promised to Israel NOT Gentiles." a big ERROR. Gentiles was keeping God Law before Israel as a Nation was even born. Job and Moses father-in-Law are clear examples of this. and especially Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God. in whom the Lord Jesus is the NOW high priest of that priesthood, and not the Levitical priesthood. now, was Melchisedec Jewish? no. nor Job, who was RIGHTIOUS before God without the WRITTEN Law in stone.... (smile).... Oh my. and on top of that Job was a son of God without the written Law on Stone.... as 101G said before Israel is a Johnny come lately. Israel was just a nation as anyone else. nothing special.

now LET 101G in on a mystery that need to be taught. the LAW that was written on stone, GENTILE men like Job was already keep the Law of God in their hearts..... meaning been LEAD BY THE SPIRIT. now do 101G have scripture to back this up? yes, Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" that's all God requires. from these three things, came the 10 written on stone. because Israel was slow and stiff-necked, and hardhearted in understanding the concept of the three. other words Israel was gross IGNORANT to the things of God.

101G.
You've been infected with false Constantinian Gentile theology of the past 2000 years.

In the NT the Jews called mixed heritage Hebrews from the northern kingdom tribes that had offspring with Assyrians, the Jews called them "Samaritans."
But where in the NT do the Jews call mixed heritage Hebrews and Babylonians? The two southern kingdom tribes were carried away by Babylon and there was many mixed heritage offspring in the intervening years. About 15-20 generations of these mixed heritage births took place. What did the Jews call these mixed heritage Hebrews with Babylonians? I asked you about three pages ago and you never answered.
 
You've been infected with false Constantinian Gentile theology of the past 2000 years.
personal opinion, thought so.
In the NT the Jews called mixed heritage Hebrews from the northern kingdom tribes that had offspring with Assyrians, the Jews called them "Samaritans."
But where in the NT do the Jews call mixed heritage Hebrews and Babylonians? The two southern kingdom tribes were carried away by Babylon and there was many mixed heritage offspring in the intervening years. About 15-20 generations of these mixed heritage births took place. What did the Jews call these mixed heritage Hebrews with Babylonians? I asked you about three pages ago and you never answered.
listen, Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

101G.
 
Romans 11:13-19
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Saul was a rabbi and a Pharisee above many his equals. He was discipled by Gamaliel. And as a rabbi and a Pharisee - he remained a rabbi and Pharisee after being born-again - and was seen by the Judaizers (Jews) as being held in high regard STILL after his conversion. He also remained obedient to the Law of Moses. Here is proof.

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:17–20.

Acts 21 is about 20 years after the ascension of Jesus. Do the math. Saul was born again on the road about two-four years after Jesus ascended. Then, after Saul met Jesus on the road he says he went into Arabia for about three years and add another 11-14 years of being absent from everybody (depending on when you date his Galatian letter) this means when Acts 13 came around he and Barnabas went on their first journey. A couple of years. In the meantime Acts 2-13 the disciples of Jesus remained obedient to Moses and were Judaizers. All they had was the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures. So, early Christianity (Christ-followers/the Way) was strictly Mosaic. When a Jew became born-again they continued their obedience to the Law (see verse 20 above.) And Saul was in good with the Judaizers in Jerusalem and the elders were actual elders of the Sanhedrin (Acts. 6:7)

7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7.

Let me cut to the chase. If Saul who was rabbi and Pharisee actually taught non-Hebrew Gentiles anything in the Law he would have been cast out and stoned. He would be guilty of "breaking Scripture" and violate the Word of God (OT.) He would not have such a high regard by these priests/elders who became born-again nor would the everyday Jew think highly of him.

24 Them take, and purify thyself (Nazarene vows) with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads (Nazarene vows): and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

The Jews and Judaizers held Saul in high regard but if these "Gentiles" in the verse you quote are really uncircumcised, non-covenant, non-Hebrew Gentiles and he's teaching them anything about the Mosaic Law he would be stoned and wouldn't be held in high regard. So, these "Gentiles" are not uncircumcised, non-covenant, non-Hebrew Gentiles at all. They are mixed heritage Hebrews who are the offspring of Hebrews and Babylonians just as the ten northern kingdom tribes who were carried away by Assyria were mixed heritage and called "Samaritan" and not "Jew" by the Jews. In other words, they are STILL the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Scripture cannot be broken.
There is nothing in the OT where God calls Gentiles "Olive tree."
Those "broken off" are disobedient Hebrews/Jews, not Gentiles.
Your interpretation is unbiblical.
 
Saul was a rabbi and a Pharisee above many his equals. He was discipled by Gamaliel. And as a rabbi and a Pharisee - he remained a rabbi and Pharisee after being born-again - and was seen by the Judaizers (Jews) as being held in high regard STILL after his conversion. He also remained obedient to the Law of Moses. Here is proof.

17 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly.
18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:17–20.

Acts 21 is about 20 years after the ascension of Jesus. Do the math. Saul was born again on the road about two-four years after Jesus ascended. Then, after Saul met Jesus on the road he says he went into Arabia for about three years and add another 11-14 years of being absent from everybody (depending on when you date his Galatian letter) this means when Acts 13 came around he and Barnabas went on their first journey. A couple of years. In the meantime Acts 2-13 the disciples of Jesus remained obedient to Moses and were Judaizers. All they had was the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures. So, early Christianity (Christ-followers/the Way) was strictly Mosaic. When a Jew became born-again they continued their obedience to the Law (see verse 20 above.) And Saul was in good with the Judaizers in Jerusalem and the elders were actual elders of the Sanhedrin (Acts. 6:7)

7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. Acts 6:7.

Let me cut to the chase. If Saul who was rabbi and Pharisee actually taught non-Hebrew Gentiles anything in the Law he would have been cast out and stoned. He would be guilty of "breaking Scripture" and violate the Word of God (OT.) He would not have such a high regard by these priests/elders who became born-again nor would the everyday Jew think highly of him.

24 Them take, and purify thyself (Nazarene vows) with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads (Nazarene vows): and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

The Jews and Judaizers held Saul in high regard but if these "Gentiles" in the verse you quote are really uncircumcised, non-covenant, non-Hebrew Gentiles and he's teaching them anything about the Mosaic Law he would be stoned and wouldn't be held in high regard. So, these "Gentiles" are not uncircumcised, non-covenant, non-Hebrew Gentiles at all. They are mixed heritage Hebrews who are the offspring of Hebrews and Babylonians just as the ten northern kingdom tribes who were carried away by Assyria were mixed heritage and called "Samaritan" and not "Jew" by the Jews. In other words, they are STILL the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

Scripture cannot be broken.
There is nothing in the OT where God calls Gentiles "Olive tree."
Those "broken off" are disobedient Hebrews/Jews, not Gentiles.
Your interpretation is unbiblical.
Paul was an Apostle for the Lord Jesus Christ and that job was to teach the Gentiles. The Apostle Peter who also worked for Jesus Christ saw what the Gentiles were about with that little rooftop experience concerning Cornelius. You see things that are not there.
 
Paul was an Apostle for the Lord Jesus Christ and that job was to teach the Gentiles. The Apostle Peter who also worked for Jesus Christ saw what the Gentiles were about with that little rooftop experience concerning Cornelius. You see things that are not there.
As I said but you fail to understand is that no rabbi or Pharisee would openly teach non-Hebrew Gentiles the Law of Moses nor want to "baptize" or circumcise a Gentile. It is unheard of and is contrary to the Word of God and any rabbi or Pharisee would have been stoned. There was a strong sense of separation between Jews and Gentiles and this separation was introduced between the two races by God. There is nothing in the Law of Moses where a rabbi or Pharisee would attempt to openly teach of circumcise a Gentile. There is nothing in the Law that God instructed for such a thing to happen.

But I "get" that it's easy to want to believe in such a thing today but teaching the Law of Moses to a Gentile or performing a circumcision on one could have been seen as blurring those boundaries and potentially undermining Jewish identity. Depending on the specific context and the individuals involved, the consequences for such actions could have ranged from social disapproval and ostracism to more serious repercussions, especially if it was perceived as a threat to Jewish religious or social order.

The woman at the well because of her mixed heritage was seen by Jews as being Gentile although she was of Hebrew ancestry and knew she was a worshiper of the God of her fathers:

9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. John 4:9.

Jews knew that there were mixed offspring among Hebrews and Assyrians due to Israel's conquest and subsequent exile to Assyria by the Assyrian armies. There was 752 years (seven centuries) from the time of Israel's exile until Jesus interacted with this Samaritan woman. Therefore, there could have been approximately 30 generations between Israel's exile and Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman. How did this woman identify herself to Jesus?

11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? John 4:11–12.

She identified herself as a descendant of Jacob, the second-born of Isaac and of the seed of Abraham. God changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32, so she was of the seed of Abraham but was of mixed heritage having been the offspring of a Jew and a Gentile, but Jews had a discriminatory attitude against mixed heritage Jews and were treated like an infidel or Gentile. What else did the woman say to Jesus?

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. John 4:25.

This woman was a Christian. A woman of the seed of Abraham and a Gentile who said she awaited Messiah "which is called Christ." All Hebrews that looked forward awaiting Messiah/Christ can be called Christian. All Hebrews that looked forward to the sending/arrival of Christ can technically be called a Christian such as David, Solomon, etc., and Jews on the street. What you need to do is stop looking at Hebrew/Jewish history from a Gentile perspective and with a Gentile mindset. There was great discrimination from Jews who were of Jewish birth never having a Gentile parent in their family line against Jews who did. There was also great separation by the Jews against the mixed heritage Jews that had at least one Gentile parent in their family line. This Samaritan, mixed heritage woman at the well is proof of that and a study of this circumstance among Jewry against those offspring of Jew-Gentile birth should be considered because it was a real cultural situation in Hebrew history.

And I notice you ignored the passages I posted in my last comment that showed Jews who became born-again in the first century were aware that it was God's Spirit who was promised to Israel that intervened into their lives and they remained faithful to the Law of Moses and for a time unconverted Jews saw these things and these people as a sect in Judaism. They were full-blood Jews who were followers of "The Way" which in the beginning these Jews were called by Judaizers. Again, Saul continued as a rabbi and Pharisee and was obedient to the Law of Moses even after he met Jesus on the road to Damascus.

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

Saul was a Nazarite for he is said to have been asked to "purify thyself" and join in vows with these other persons who followed purification rituals and shaved their heads. Only Jews who were separated for God from the womb (as Saul said he was) are permitted to follow the Nazarene rites in Judaism and the Law of Moses. Shaving the head in Jewish history has been associated with a range of meanings, from mourning and ritual purity to social status and religious devotion and Saul did that. And the Jews saw him as being obedient to the Law of Moses. If he wasn't then he would have been ostracized in the least or excommunicated at worst. BUT he was well received and highly regarded by the Jews and Judaizers. Saul "walked orderly and kept the Law."
What's up with that? Why do you ignore this? Remember what Saul wrote Timothy in 2 Tim. 3:16-17. What "Scriptures" was Saul referring to?

And Cornelius was mixed heritage Hebrew, too.
 
personal opinion, thought so.

listen, Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

101G.
You still haven't answered my question. But thanks anyway.
 
personal opinion, thought so.

listen, Acts 17:26 "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;"

101G.

You still haven't answered my question. But thanks anyway.
been answered all of your questions. listen carefully... GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSON, no matter which nation one is from .... including Israel, because Israel is JUST ONE OF THE NATION, that Abraham is a Father of...... :whistle: YIKES! ....... (smile).

101G.
 
As I said but you fail to understand is that no rabbi or Pharisee would openly teach non-Hebrew Gentiles the Law of Moses nor want to "baptize" or circumcise a Gentile. It is unheard of and is contrary to the Word of God and any rabbi or Pharisee would have been stoned. There was a strong sense of separation between Jews and Gentiles and this separation was introduced between the two races by God. There is nothing in the Law of Moses where a rabbi or Pharisee would attempt to openly teach of circumcise a Gentile. There is nothing in the Law that God instructed for such a thing to happen.

But I "get" that it's easy to want to believe in such a thing today but teaching the Law of Moses to a Gentile or performing a circumcision on one could have been seen as blurring those boundaries and potentially undermining Jewish identity. Depending on the specific context and the individuals involved, the consequences for such actions could have ranged from social disapproval and ostracism to more serious repercussions, especially if it was perceived as a threat to Jewish religious or social order.

The woman at the well because of her mixed heritage was seen by Jews as being Gentile although she was of Hebrew ancestry and knew she was a worshiper of the God of her fathers:

9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. John 4:9.

Jews knew that there were mixed offspring among Hebrews and Assyrians due to Israel's conquest and subsequent exile to Assyria by the Assyrian armies. There was 752 years (seven centuries) from the time of Israel's exile until Jesus interacted with this Samaritan woman. Therefore, there could have been approximately 30 generations between Israel's exile and Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman. How did this woman identify herself to Jesus?

11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? John 4:11–12.

She identified herself as a descendant of Jacob, the second-born of Isaac and of the seed of Abraham. God changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32, so she was of the seed of Abraham but was of mixed heritage having been the offspring of a Jew and a Gentile, but Jews had a discriminatory attitude against mixed heritage Jews and were treated like an infidel or Gentile. What else did the woman say to Jesus?

25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. John 4:25.

This woman was a Christian. A woman of the seed of Abraham and a Gentile who said she awaited Messiah "which is called Christ." All Hebrews that looked forward awaiting Messiah/Christ can be called Christian. All Hebrews that looked forward to the sending/arrival of Christ can technically be called a Christian such as David, Solomon, etc., and Jews on the street. What you need to do is stop looking at Hebrew/Jewish history from a Gentile perspective and with a Gentile mindset. There was great discrimination from Jews who were of Jewish birth never having a Gentile parent in their family line against Jews who did. There was also great separation by the Jews against the mixed heritage Jews that had at least one Gentile parent in their family line. This Samaritan, mixed heritage woman at the well is proof of that and a study of this circumstance among Jewry against those offspring of Jew-Gentile birth should be considered because it was a real cultural situation in Hebrew history.

And I notice you ignored the passages I posted in my last comment that showed Jews who became born-again in the first century were aware that it was God's Spirit who was promised to Israel that intervened into their lives and they remained faithful to the Law of Moses and for a time unconverted Jews saw these things and these people as a sect in Judaism. They were full-blood Jews who were followers of "The Way" which in the beginning these Jews were called by Judaizers. Again, Saul continued as a rabbi and Pharisee and was obedient to the Law of Moses even after he met Jesus on the road to Damascus.

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

Saul was a Nazarite for he is said to have been asked to "purify thyself" and join in vows with these other persons who followed purification rituals and shaved their heads. Only Jews who were separated for God from the womb (as Saul said he was) are permitted to follow the Nazarene rites in Judaism and the Law of Moses. Shaving the head in Jewish history has been associated with a range of meanings, from mourning and ritual purity to social status and religious devotion and Saul did that. And the Jews saw him as being obedient to the Law of Moses. If he wasn't then he would have been ostracized in the least or excommunicated at worst. BUT he was well received and highly regarded by the Jews and Judaizers. Saul "walked orderly and kept the Law."
What's up with that? Why do you ignore this? Remember what Saul wrote Timothy in 2 Tim. 3:16-17. What "Scriptures" was Saul referring to?

And Cornelius was mixed heritage Hebrew, too.
You write from the Jews thinking. I speak about the Lord's thinking. What the Jews thought about Gentiles means nothing. What matters is what God thinks of them. And He invited them in. Peter understood this and so did Paul.
 
been answered all of your questions. listen carefully... GOD IS NO RESPECTOR OF PERSON, no matter which nation one is from .... including Israel, because Israel is JUST ONE OF THE NATION, that Abraham is a Father of...... :whistle: YIKES! ....... (smile).

101G.
And Jesus is a person. How does that work out in your belief system?
 
And Jesus is a person. How does that work out in your belief system?
my belief system, no God system of belief for us to believe. Listen carefully. JESUS is the ONLY Person who is God. God is a single PERSON, and as a single Person he is the H259 ECHAD of, of, of, himself shared in flesh/with blood in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state while in that flesh, as Son. this is why he is GIVEN ALL POWER in Revelation. because of his OVER-COMING of DEATH and redeeming us from death. and this was accomplished in his resurrection from the dead...... by his Amalgamation of Spirit/Father/LORD/First, and Flesh/Son/Lord/Last, (per John 17:5).

ONE PERSON in the H259 ECHAD of himself..... simply put the "EQUAL SHARE" of himself.... now the NEW MAN, or the First Fruit in the NEW CREATION,

if people just can understand the EQUAL SHARE, which as the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:" Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

there is no excuse, for the evidence ... as said is clear from the CREATION. what do 101G mean? ADAM and EVE show this concept. Before Eve was Brough Forth she was in, in, in, Adam. in her bring forth she is OF, OF, OF, Adam, meaning she is ADAM, just as the Lord JESUS is OF, OF, OF, God a plurality of ONE. just as God did not get any-more ... dust to make the woman, nor was there any other Spirit for the Lord Jesus to be brough forth. it's the same one person, before sin, the woman Name was ADAM. scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." called their name Adam? yes, both of their name was "ADAM" only until after they sin was "The Woman" given a separate and Distinct NAME. understand, separate and Distinct in sin? but before the fall they was "ONE" as the Greek say, G243 Allos. after the Fall GG2087 as ONE.

but in Christ, whom he has GATHER together are G1520 εἷς heis (heis') n. scripture, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." metaphorically, "union" and "concord". many in UNION as ONE

101G.
 
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