Jesus denied being God

To Moses and the Hebrew people, they knew their Messiah would be both God and man. And when you get into Exodus and the rest of the Hebrew Scripture God provided more and more information about this Person. Isaiah said He would be a Suffering Servant, a sheep led to the slaughter, and a Conquering King who would rule His people with a Shepherds staff, and rule the (non-Hebrew) nations with a rod of iron. God's revelation of the Son of God also being a man is progressive. We don't just take one passage about Him; we have to take all the passages about Him as time went on. But it began with Genesis 3:15. And the Hebrew people built on that. Who else can raise themself from the dead but God. Genesis 3:15 is better understood in hindsight.
It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity, but rather just the opposite as all throughout their history they fiercely defended the fact that there was only one God.
 
It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity, but rather just the opposite as all throughout their history they fiercely defended the fact that there was only one God.
As I said before the fullest expression of the Son of God did not come about until the advent of the Son. The religious leaders were well aware they were about to murder the Son of God. There were a great many evidences which Jesus fulfilled that pointed to His Deity. If you don't want to believe in His Deity as well as the fact that Jesus Himself declared He was Deity by one major fact. He rose from the dead, then that's your choice, and this by itself leads me to know without a doubt that you are not truly saved. So, begone. I'm not replying anymore. I prefer to share with brethren because they are the only ones that can sharpen me. You don't sharpen me. Your only reason on this post is to express your unbelief and that alone is enough for me.
 
As I said before the fullest expression of the Son of God did not come about until the advent of the Son. The religious leaders were well aware they were about to murder the Son of God. There were a great many evidences which Jesus fulfilled that pointed to His Deity. If you don't want to believe in His Deity as well as the fact that Jesus Himself declared He was Deity by one major fact. He rose from the dead, then that's your choice, and this by itself leads me to know without a doubt that you are not truly saved. So, begone. I'm not replying anymore. I prefer to share with brethren because they are the only ones that can sharpen me. You don't sharpen me. Your only reason on this post is to express your unbelief and that alone is enough for me.
You say the religious leaders were about to murder God. The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God.
 
You say the religious leaders were about to murder God. The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God.
The issue is belief.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 10:25–38.

You are in the same category as the priests and religious leaders.

If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

As I said, it comes down to belief and you neither believe Jesus nor His works. This leaves you outside the covenants of God.
 
The issue is belief.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. John 10:25–38.

You are in the same category as the priests and religious leaders.

If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

As I said, it comes down to belief and you neither believe Jesus nor His works. This leaves you outside the covenants of God.
What you will not be able to say to Jesus if you make it to heaven is why could you not send someone to show me the truth? Because Jesus could say I sent you my messenger and you refused to believe.
 
What you will not be able to say to Jesus if you make it to heaven is why could you not send someone to show me the truth? Because Jesus could say I sent you my messenger and you refused to believe.
The next message to come from God upon the Jews directly and to the planet indirectly will be the prophecies of the two Revelation witnesses of chapter 11. But God has already sent many messengers to herald certain truths in preparation of Jesus' return. And I'm not talking about "Gentile" or present mainline Protestant "Christianity" or its various denominations. The Times of the Gentiles is not about Gentile Christianity or a Gentile Church. It only refers to the rise in non-Hebrew Gentile rulership of Israel and Jerusalem on the world's stage post-Second Temple destruction occurring in AD 70 by the Romans to today. Some believe this period ended in 1948 when Jews occupied Israel territory and Jerusalem. There is nothing in Scripture that discusses a Gentile Church or world domination of Gentile Christianity. A future message from God to the world at large will present the truth that God made no covenant with Gentiles and that the New Covenant mentioned by Jeremiah includes the House of Israel and the House of Judah and that the New Testament as we know it today is written by Jews and Jewish Christians discussing and trying to make sense and understand the New Covenant era Israel found itself in with the advent of both Jesus and God's Spirit upon the world, or should I say, upon Israel.
 
The next message to come from God upon the Jews directly and to the planet indirectly will be the prophecies of the two Revelation witnesses of chapter 11. But God has already sent many messengers to herald certain truths in preparation of Jesus' return. And I'm not talking about "Gentile" or present mainline Protestant "Christianity" or its various denominations. The Times of the Gentiles is not about Gentile Christianity or a Gentile Church. It only refers to the rise in non-Hebrew Gentile rulership of Israel and Jerusalem on the world's stage post-Second Temple destruction occurring in AD 70 by the Romans to today. Some believe this period ended in 1948 when Jews occupied Israel territory and Jerusalem. There is nothing in Scripture that discusses a Gentile Church or world domination of Gentile Christianity. A future message from God to the world at large will present the truth that God made no covenant with Gentiles and that the New Covenant mentioned by Jeremiah includes the House of Israel and the House of Judah and that the New Testament as we know it today is written by Jews and Jewish Christians discussing and trying to make sense and understand the New Covenant era Israel found itself in with the advent of both Jesus and God's Spirit upon the world, or should I say, upon Israel.
I stopped reading this last post from you when you used the word "Gentile Christianity" because there's no such word used in the New Testament. So you are describing someone who does not exist. You can write your own book and then use your own words. But in the Bible God does not use the words "Gentile Christianity" because such a group of people do not exist.
 
I stopped reading this last post from you when you used the word "Gentile Christianity" because there's no such word used in the New Testament. So you are describing someone who does not exist. You can write your own book and then use your own words. But in the Bible God does not use the words "Gentile Christianity" because such a group of people do not exist.
That's correct. They do not exist. There is only Jewish Christianity since Jesus is their Messiah.

The Church Jesus promised to build is populated with Jews. The Spirit of God Joel promised is promised to Israel and only Israel since there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrews. ALL three Hebrew covenants is between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), and his Hebrew seed. This is the Abraham Covenant.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Jacob/Israel.
The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah (31:31-34) is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
 
That's correct. They do not exist. There is only Jewish Christianity since Jesus is their Messiah.

The Church Jesus promised to build is populated with Jews. The Spirit of God Joel promised is promised to Israel and only Israel since there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrews. ALL three Hebrew covenants is between God, Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13), and his Hebrew seed. This is the Abraham Covenant.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Jacob/Israel.
The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah (31:31-34) is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
There's no word in the Bible for Jewish Christian either. God does not use that language. Again, you can write your own book and use Jewish Christian because God does not use Jewish Christian in His book.
 
There's no word in the Bible for Jewish Christian either. God does not use that language. Again, you can write your own book and use Jewish Christian because God does not use Jewish Christian in His book.
It wasn't necessary since the Jews who became Christian and born-again were the target audience of the New Covenant writings.
It was their covenant and Messiah is their Lord. The New Covenant is the outworkings of the Mosaic Covenant which is between the God of Abraham and the children of Israel. The last Passover of the Lord is when Jesus instituted the New Covenant in His blood in keeping with the Law of Moses and was initiated by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel) and on the day it was initiated (Feast of Harvest) three thousand Jews were born-again and baptized into the Lord's body which is the Church of "called out [ones]" as per Scripture and prophecy. Jesus Himself declared that He was sent "to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" NOT Gentiles. But false belief and interpretation of the Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelation wrongly interprets Scripture to include non-Hebrew Gentiles when God made no covenant for the redemption and salvation of Gentiles. Scripture says that the "Lord added to His Church daily such as should be saved" and those to whom redemption was given in the first Passover in Egypt Israel are the covenant people of God - NOT Gentiles.
So, it's a matter of interpretation but the fact remains God made no covenant with Gentiles.

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John 1:31.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:24.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Ro 9:3–5.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

You are holding to false Constantinian beliefs. God made no covenant with non-Hebrews (Gentiles.)
 
I stopped reading this last post from you when you used the word "Gentile Christianity" because there's no such word used in the New Testament. So you are describing someone who does not exist. You can write your own book and then use your own words. But in the Bible God does not use the words "Gentile Christianity" because such a group of people do not exist.
You are right. There is no such distinction in regards to sex, gender, race and/or ethnicity in the church. I don't know where they come up with these things, but Trinitarianism is a very diverse group with many sects that believe different things.

I love this beautiful passage by Paul.

Galatians 3
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
It wasn't necessary since the Jews who became Christian and born-again were the target audience of the New Covenant writings.
It was their covenant and Messiah is their Lord. The New Covenant is the outworkings of the Mosaic Covenant which is between the God of Abraham and the children of Israel. The last Passover of the Lord is when Jesus instituted the New Covenant in His blood in keeping with the Law of Moses and was initiated by the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel) and on the day it was initiated (Feast of Harvest) three thousand Jews were born-again and baptized into the Lord's body which is the Church of "called out [ones]" as per Scripture and prophecy. Jesus Himself declared that He was sent "to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" NOT Gentiles. But false belief and interpretation of the Hebrew Scripture from Genesis to Revelation wrongly interprets Scripture to include non-Hebrew Gentiles when God made no covenant for the redemption and salvation of Gentiles. Scripture says that the "Lord added to His Church daily such as should be saved" and those to whom redemption was given in the first Passover in Egypt Israel are the covenant people of God - NOT Gentiles.
So, it's a matter of interpretation but the fact remains God made no covenant with Gentiles.

31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
John 1:31.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:24.

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Ro 9:3–5.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

You are holding to false Constantinian beliefs. God made no covenant with non-Hebrews (Gentiles.)
Ephesians 3:1-6
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
 
Ephesians 3:1-6
For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
We have mixed heritage Hebrews and Assyrians called Samaritan, but what are the offspring of Babylon and conquered Jews called let alone mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? Why are these mixed heritage Hebrews not mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? They were the majority of all Hebrews alive that were not part of the "remnant" that returned to the land of Palestine with Nehemiah. Why are they not mentioned in the bible?
Or are they?
 
We have mixed heritage Hebrews and Assyrians called Samaritan, but what are the offspring of Babylon and conquered Jews called let alone mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? Why are these mixed heritage Hebrews not mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? They were the majority of all Hebrews alive that were not part of the "remnant" that returned to the land of Palestine with Nehemiah. Why are they not mentioned in the bible?
Or are they?
was not the apostle Paul a Hebrews of Hebrews? 2 Corinthians 11:22 "Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I."

try again,

101G.
 
We have mixed heritage Hebrews and Assyrians called Samaritan, but what are the offspring of Babylon and conquered Jews called let alone mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? Why are these mixed heritage Hebrews not mentioned in the gospels and the epistles? They were the majority of all Hebrews alive that were not part of the "remnant" that returned to the land of Palestine with Nehemiah. Why are they not mentioned in the bible?
Or are they?
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
was not the apostle Paul a Hebrews of Hebrews? 2 Corinthians 11:22 "Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I."

try again,

101G.
Don't guess. If you don't know say nothing and move on but your answer shows ignorance to the question.
Samaritans are the offspring of the ten northern kingdom tribes and the Assyrian conquerors since Samaria was the capital of Israel in the north.
Judah is the name of the two tribes that made up the southern kingdom.
The Bible mentions Samaritans and Jesus' acceptance of the woman at the well as still being the seed of Abraham and heir of the promises (Gal. 3:28-29.)
But where in Scripture, specifically the gospels and the epistle are the offspring of mixed heritage Hebrews of the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin)? Where are they mentioned?
And please, don't guess.
 
Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
First, the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are written by Jewish Christians (Luke, Matthew, Saul, Peter, James, etc.), to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians and your quote of Galatians 3:28-29 is referring to those under the Law or "schoolmaster", and those under the Law/schoolmaster are the children of Israel, not Gentiles. God made no covenant with Gentiles. None.

Notice Saul says "Greek" and not "Gentile."
The "Greek" he is referring to are Hellenized Jews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. Even to the point of Jews not ever been circumcised because these Jews grew up as Gentiles in Gentile lands. They lost their Hebrew heritage and for 15-20 generations from 522 BC to when Jesus arrived knew nothing about Him. Jesus never left Israel/Palestine. He may have gone into Galilee and Decapolis but that's the extent of His travels. When Jesus was crucified the only people who knew live in Jerusalem or they were Jews who traveled from Gentile locations for the Jewish Feast of Harvest. One of three Feasts God mandated males attend and observe.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Acts 2:7–11.

Take note that the prophet Joel prophesied and said God promised His Spirit TO ISRAEL, not to Gentiles. So this means that three thousand Jews were given the Holy Spirit as promised by God and they and ONLY they were the first recipients of this promise from God. And when the Feast was over these Spirit-filled Jews left Jerusalem and traveled back to their homes in and around Israel and also Asia Minor or Gentile land (Roman provinces), taking with them a summary of Peter's sermon, the Holy Spirit and a testimony of Jesus and what they experienced. It was a powerful witness of God these born-again Jews gave along in their travels.

There is nowhere in the Bible that says God ever promised His Spirit to Gentiles. Nowhere.
 
Don't guess. If you don't know say nothing and move on but your answer shows ignorance to the question.
Samaritans are the offspring of the ten northern kingdom tribes and the Assyrian conquerors since Samaria was the capital of Israel in the north.
Judah is the name of the two tribes that made up the southern kingdom.
The Bible mentions Samaritans and Jesus' acceptance of the woman at the well as still being the seed of Abraham and heir of the promises (Gal. 3:28-29.)
But where in Scripture, specifically the gospels and the epistle are the offspring of mixed heritage Hebrews of the two southern kingdom tribes (Judah and Benjamin)? Where are they mentioned?
And please, don't guess.
LOL, LOL, LOL, 101G did not guess, read......:cool:

and two, you, who is IGNORANT to question. for the seed here is not biological , but spiritual. but you had no clue ..... did you, stay in IGNORANCE.

good day,

101G.
 
First, the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are written by Jewish Christians (Luke, Matthew, Saul, Peter, James, etc.), to and for Jews and other Jewish Christians and your quote of Galatians 3:28-29 is referring to those under the Law or "schoolmaster", and those under the Law/schoolmaster are the children of Israel, not Gentiles. God made no covenant with Gentiles. None.

Notice Saul says "Greek" and not "Gentile."
The "Greek" he is referring to are Hellenized Jews who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture. Even to the point of Jews not ever been circumcised because these Jews grew up as Gentiles in Gentile lands. They lost their Hebrew heritage and for 15-20 generations from 522 BC to when Jesus arrived knew nothing about Him. Jesus never left Israel/Palestine. He may have gone into Galilee and Decapolis but that's the extent of His travels. When Jesus was crucified the only people who knew live in Jerusalem or they were Jews who traveled from Gentile locations for the Jewish Feast of Harvest. One of three Feasts God mandated males attend and observe.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Acts 2:5.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Acts 2:7–11.

Take note that the prophet Joel prophesied and said God promised His Spirit TO ISRAEL, not to Gentiles. So this means that three thousand Jews were given the Holy Spirit as promised by God and they and ONLY they were the first recipients of this promise from God. And when the Feast was over these Spirit-filled Jews left Jerusalem and traveled back to their homes in and around Israel and also Asia Minor or Gentile land (Roman provinces), taking with them a summary of Peter's sermon, the Holy Spirit and a testimony of Jesus and what they experienced. It was a powerful witness of God these born-again Jews gave along in their travels.

There is nowhere in the Bible that says God ever promised His Spirit to Gentiles. Nowhere.
I can't read past your first sentence because you're still doing it. You're using words that are not in the Bible. There are no words that say Jewish Christian. Now like I said before you can write your own book and use your own words. But we are trying to understand God's book and not your book and God does not use the words Jewish Christian. Nowhere.
 
LOL, LOL, LOL, 101G did not guess, read......:cool:

and two, you, who is IGNORANT to question. for the seed here is not biological , but spiritual. but you had no clue ..... did you, stay in IGNORANCE.

good day,

101G.
Stop digging. You compound your first lie by adding a second lie.
I prefer you just not to say a thing rather than trying to walk your error back and try to camouflage your first error with a second error. Adam and the woman did that in the Garden and were found to be liars.
 
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