Thomas... My Lord and my God

[mikesw]

If I saw a tree falling that was a surprised to me. I might say something like oh my Lord and my God. That does not mean I would be calling a tree God.

It would show your disrespect even further as well as disregard of Jewish context. You'll say anything you feel like saying just to deny who Christ Jesus is.

 

[FreeInChrist]

@Peterlag

Enter now the enigma that may prove another false in the bible.

You say that God only is deity, and the verses I posted say He Himself says only he
can save.....

But enter into this mix of the thief on the cross.

God , the Father was not there for the thief to talk to.... the thief
only talked to the man Jesus.

And just look what this man said.

Luke 23:42–43

“And he was saying, ‘Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!’


And He (Jesus) said to him, ‘Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.’”

And more importantly...

The thief does not pray to the Father and

No sacrifice is offered and

No intermediary is invoked and

Jesus does not ask God to save him However

Jesus issues a sovereign decree

“You shall be with Me in Paradise”

That is not intercession.

That is authoritative salvation.

Jesus did what only God claims the right to do​

The thief is saved at death

without works and

by Christ’s word alone

into God’s presence
This matches God’s exclusive saving role in Isaiah.

If only God saves
and Jesus saves
then Jesus must be God



“Scripture says only God saves (Isaiah 43:11).

Jesus saved the thief by His own authority (Luke 23:43).

Therefore Jesus does what only God does — because He is God.”

The word “savior” is one of the many words that is used of both God and His Son, Jesus, and others as well. For example, Othniel, who judged Israel, is called a “savior” (Judg. 3:9), and so is Ehud (Judg. 3:15). But God is the ultimate savior, and all the others who are called “savior” derive their calling and ability from Him.

There are Trinitarians who believe that because this verse calls God “Savior,” and Jesus is also called “Savior,” Jesus must be God in the flesh. However, that belief is not correct. There are many references to God the Father being called “Savior.” That makes perfect sense because He is the author of the plan of salvation and is also very active in our salvation. For example, God, the Father, is called “Savior” in Isaiah 43:11; 1 Timothy 1:1; 2:3; 4:10; Titus 3:4; Jude 25. In contrast, Jesus Christ is called “Savior” because he is the agent who carried out God’s plan, and without whom it could not have come to pass.

The term “savior” is used of many people in the Bible. This is hard to see in the English versions because when the word “savior” is used of people, the translators almost always translated it as “deliverer.” This in and of itself shows that modern translators have a Trinitarian bias. The only reason to translate a word as “Savior” when it applies to God or Christ, but as “deliverer” when it applies to men, is to make the term seem unique to God and Jesus when in fact it is not.

@Peterlag

Enter now the enigma that may prove another false in the bible.... but only if you can argue away from the following.

You say that God only is deity, and the verses I posted say He Himself says only he
can save..... (refer to my post above)

But enter into this mix of the thief on the cross.

God , the Father was not there for the thief to talk to.... the thief
only talked to the man Jesus.

And just look what this man said.

Luke 23:42–43

“And he was saying, ‘Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!’


And He (Jesus) said to him, ‘Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.’”

And more importantly...

...The thief does not pray to the Father and

...No sacrifice is offered and

...No intermediary is invoked and

...Jesus does not ask God to save him However

....Jesus issues a sovereign decree

“You shall be with Me in Paradise”

That is not intercession.

That is authoritative salvation.

Jesus did what only God claims the right to do​

The thief is saved at death without works and

by Christ’s word alone into God’s presence

This matches God’s exclusive saving role in Isaiah.

If only God saves
and Jesus saves
then Jesus must be God



“Scripture says only God saves (Isaiah 43:11).

Jesus saved the thief by His own authority (Luke 23:43).

Therefore Jesus does what only God does — because He is God.”

There can be no other explanation.... period.

 

[FreeInChrist]

If I saw a tree falling that was a surprised to me. I might say something like oh my Lord and my God. That does not mean I would be calling a tree God.

Well if that tree told you to stick your finger in a hole it had you better.

 

[synergy]

It would show your disrespect even further as well as disregard of Jewish context. You'll say anything you feel like saying just to deny who Christ Jesus is.

Yes. Unitarians' seething contempt for the Uncreated Word of God is truly unbelievable.