Is anyone else a Seer?

cc: @civic I see you are following our dialog so I'll include you. You've heard this before I think.

I can, and I think you will accept it if you believe in context. It starts with what we must be to insure a home in heaven, Rev. 22:11 - whatever state you die in is your eternal state. A born again Christian is either righteous or holy.

1 John 3:9 ("Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.") rides on the subject of 1 John 3:4-5 Lawlessness as its context. This chapter is on righteousness, not holiness (perfection). 1 John 3:7. (" Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.")

What is amazing about the New Covenant is we can be cleansed of all desire to commit mortal sins unto death, and still be called CLEAN while at the same time still commit trespasses such as exhibiting immature fruit of the Spirit which can hurt someone's feelings. Those are sins, but not unto death. 1 John 5:16-17. John 15 says we are CLEAN as long as we keep abiding in Jesus. 1 John 1:7 shows this. "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." Just remember Matthew 6:14-15 " “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

John 15:1-3-4
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.


Now about holiness. That is perfection, and years away from first becoming righteousness at the time we were first born again of the Spirit. Peter provides the steps to take to insure our election. Don't ever forget verse 9.

2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble (perfection); 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Don't forget to abide in Jesus. We do that by obedience to our newly sensitized conscience where the Holy Spirit wrote God's laws.

1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."
I see "hedging" in your comments. I know the argument well. It is a doctrinal position associated with the Holiness Church. I have assumed you are part of that "movement".

Why did you say "can be" relative to what you consider to be an act of God? God never fails.
 
Jesus dealt with "trolls" rather easily.
Yes, He just spoke the Old Covenant to them that they were living under but breaking. But to the disciples He spoke the New Covenant. Some miss that. I've even heard some say Jesus lived under the Old Covenant so we should just read from Acts to Revelation. :eek:
I see "hedging" in your comments. I know the argument well. It is a doctrinal position associated with the Holiness Church. I have assumed you are part of that "movement".

Why did you say "can be" relative to what you consider to be an act of God? God never fails.

I don't know where to look. Hedging?

Look at what Jesus said about the 400 years of the Reformation. Jesus seems to like holiness. Are you not? But I am not taught by man. I left all denominations 10 years ago and prayed for God to wipe my mind of all man-made doctrines, and teach me Himself. And He did.

1 John 2:27 "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

Feel free to copy my prayers. God answers them immediately.

Revelation 3:
“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
 
Yes, He just spoke the Old Covenant to them that they were living under but breaking. But to the disciples He spoke the New Covenant. Some miss that. I've even heard some say Jesus lived under the Old Covenant so we should just read from Acts to Revelation. :eek:


I don't know where to look. Hedging?

Look at what Jesus said about the 400 years of the Reformation. Jesus seems to like holiness. Are you not? But I am not taught by man. I left all denominations 10 years ago and prayed for God to wipe my mind of all man-made doctrines, and teach me Himself. And He did.

1 John 2:27 "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."

Feel free to copy my prayers. God answers them immediately.

Revelation 3:
“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Sister, you're preaching doctrine associated with the "Holiness Movement". It is not unique.

I'm not into ritual prayer. I have a rather simple prayer life. Not that I consider myself a master of anything. I simple ask God to help me. Help those I love. I ask Him to help others. I try to personally connect with God when I pray. I don't get this from ritual prayer from others. I know you mean well. Not criticizing. To each their own. Lord knows I could pray more.

Do you believe God has abandoned me since I've not meet your level of sinlessness?
 
I know the subject better than you do.

Erasmus edited manuscripts. He was a Catholic. He has no superiority to Westcott and Hort. Zero. They did the same. All the manuscripts are evidence. Not just the ones you prefer from your Catholic source. BTW, what Israelite was involved in editing of the KJV??
Proof is in the pudding, or in this case, translation.

Erasmus did a great job, so well it's endured over 422 years.
 
Proof is in the pudding, or in this case, translation.

Erasmus did a great job, so well it's endured over 422 years.

The Vulgate "endured" for over a century. In fact, the Vulgate out sold the KJV for years in English speaking countries until the 1900s. See. I know more than you do about the subject.

Where is that Israelite involved in the translation of the KJV? Erasmus was an enemy of Israel.
 
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I recall a passage in scripture satan rules over the children of pride. Anyone who states that they are sinless is obviously afflicted with the sin of pride. Therefore, it is important to note that any claims of being told anything from God are false because pride is blinding like that. The act of pride opposes God as the scripture says. So all such claims are false, by examining the root.

Even satan quoted scripture, so listen to no such counsel and so on and so forth.

Even if someone makes a good point, if the root is sinful, the whole tree is as well.

In the previous post addressed to me, some pride was injected into it, so that's my response to the pride.
 
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The Vulgate "endured" for over a century. In fact, the Vulgate out sold the KJV for years in English speaking countries until the 1900s. See. I know more than you do about the subject.

Where is that Israelite involved in the translation of the KJV? Erasmus was an enemy of Israel.
There were more blind people following Catholicism.
But popularity is not a true measure of truth.
I recall the Reformation was only one man at one time. But his possession of truth outweighed countless tons of error.

Jews need not be involved in the KJV since it is a Gentile compilation.
The Jews have their Scripture. They were the possessors of the oracles of God and that was enough.
 
There were more blind people following Catholicism.
But popularity is not a true measure of truth.
I recall the Reformation was only one man at one time. But his possession of truth outweighed countless tons of error.

Jews need not be involved in the KJV since it is a Gentile compilation.
The Jews have their Scripture. They were the possessors of the oracles of God and that was enough.
You're the one rejecting anything non KJV with a guilt by association argument. Erasmus was guilty. Even more so than Westcott or Hort. Your version of choice was a tribute to a murderous tyrant king named James. The work still has his name and is owned by the corrupt crown of England. You don't need to be making guilt by association arguments. The KJV has plenty of sinful blood on its hands.

You're promoting Israel and yet not using what Israel uses. What does that say about being double minded?
 
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
What do you suppose this means in the context of the conversation I was having about ALL flesh being the recipient of God's Spirit?

I take it to mean, in light that universalism is NOT correct doctrine, that at least one person from every race, ethnic group and human collective will receive God's Spirit. And this includes Israelites. In other words, neither Galatians or Romans ought to be interpretted that everyone will be saved, will receive God's Spirit. Thoughts?
 
I'm definitely not a Seer but I have received a lot of sneers as in “You obviously don't know what you're talking about.”

On top of that I've had a few Jeers tossed my way. But the worst was that one time I was on the receiving end of a saucy jackanapes fleered at my credulity. Accompanied by a insulting by contemptuous facial expression, phrasing, and tone of voice.
Many have. Arguably such self-righteousness has done more to undermine the Great Commission than anything.

As my Pastor said, if you are going to be a witness for Christ, be a good one. There is such a thing as an adverse wtiness. Contempt toward others is not the way of our great God! Pride over knowledge of doctrine is a common sin in Christendom. We are not saved by knowledge of doctrine.
 
Sometimes you are dealing with a Troll.
I can understand unbeleiving trolls. On another site, there are militant atheists who troll.

The admin wisely, in my opinion, allows them to persue their motivations for somewhere in their messed up thinking, they are still drawn to the grace of God.

Trolls who are believers baffle me. They do not realize they mirror the Pharisee's of old, those who despised God's prophets. There is no humility in the self-rightousness they put into their manmade doctrines. Humility is the first divine attribute of Jesus. If we lack humility, we are spiritually immature. Read here for more.
 
What do you suppose this means in the context of the conversation I was having about ALL flesh being the recipient of God's Spirit?

I take it to mean, in light that universalism is NOT correct doctrine, that at least one person from every race, ethnic group and human collective will receive God's Spirit. And this includes Israelites. In other words, neither Galatians or Romans ought to be interpretted that everyone will be saved, will receive God's Spirit. Thoughts?

If you study the book of Romans from beginning to end, you will find that Paul is building a case from the OT narrative to establish "his gospel" message. He begins in Chapter 1 dealing with the time before the flood. A time when this world knew God but refused to Glorify Him as God. Thusly, their foolish hearts were "darkened". He expands that narrative through to the time of Abraham where he details how Abraham was a sinner who was uncircumcised wherein God "circumcised" his heart in according to Abraham's belief in Him via the Gospel that had survived through Noah. Yet, this world had already (by the time of Abraham) largely become identical to the time before the flood. There were a few faithful left. Only a few that were seperated culturally and by distance. (Think, Job and Abraham). The faith of Job did not survive intact to the level of the faith of Abraham in his descendants. Paul works his way through the life of Abraham and into chapter 9. Paul begins to deal with the lack of faith among the children of Abraham by detailing how the faithful were separated from the unfaithful even in the descendents of Abraham. Not all the children of Israel are descendants of the faith of Abraham. Paul begins to by detailing the allegory of Esau and Jacob. An allegory set in the Gospel of Jesus Christ that is "played out" in the very lives of Esau and Jacob. The first and second Adam. It is the same narrative that Paul has used through his ministry. You find in the epistles to Galatia and Ephesus. The narrative that the faithful line of Adam find their way to the very Person of Jesus Christ. The sole heir of Abraham. The end of the Gospel of Righteousness for all that believe.

Romans 9:6 is part of that narrative. It is part of the proof from the Scriptures that the heir of faith is Jesus Christ. There is always someone wanting to rob Christ of His due glory. Always someone seeking to make themselves equal to Christ. Whether it be some long divorced group of people that have endlessly married among Gentiles their entire existence... yet senselessly claim they are "special" relative to their fellowmen. I love Israel but they must HEAR the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Those that listen will find themselves humbled and receptive that there is no longer a "special ethic people".... There only remains a single heir. Jesus Christ. ALL those of every nation upon the earth that reject Him, shall received the damnation that unbelief brings. Those that accept it are all of the same family that only finds it identify and NAME in Jesus Christ.
 
Sister, you're preaching doctrine associated with the "Holiness Movement". It is not unique.

I'm not into ritual prayer. I have a rather simple prayer life. Not that I consider myself a master of anything. I simple ask God to help me. Help those I love. I ask Him to help others. I try to personally connect with God when I pray. I don't get this from ritual prayer from others. I know you mean well. Not criticizing. To each their own. Lord knows I could pray more.

Do you believe God has abandoned me since I've not meet your level of sinlessness?
What I meant was to ask God to ONLY give you this gift of seeing during sermons is from God and not another spirit. It was not meant to provoke you to anger. Sorry.

As far as the Holiness Movement that is splendid. I'll take that. What I know about the modern holiness movement is that it is based on works. What I am personally in is no works but a natural way of living from a supernatural nature that doesn't have to think about it. Works is doing something against your nature.
 
What I meant was to ask God to ONLY give you this gift of seeing during sermons is from God and not another spirit. It was not meant to provoke you to anger. Sorry.

You didn't make me angry at all. I didn't intend to give you that impression. I just speak "my mind" at times without any sense of how it might be taken. No need to apologize. No problem at all.

As far as the Holiness Movement that is splendid. I'll take that. What I know about the modern holiness movement is that it is based on works. What I am personally in is no works but a natural way of living from a supernatural nature that doesn't have to think about it. Works is doing something against your nature.

Got it. Thank you for sharing. I would agree with your assessment of the Holiness Movement.
 
You didn't make me angry at all. I didn't intend to give you that impression. I just speak "my mind" at times without any sense of how it might be taken. No need to apologize. No problem at all.



Got it. Thank you for sharing. I would agree with your assessment of the Holiness Movement.
What type of denomination do you like?
 
You're the one rejecting anything non KJV with a guilt by association argument. Erasmus was guilty. Even more so than Westcott or Hort. Your version of choice was a tribute to a murderous tyrant king named James. The work still has his name and is owned by the corrupt crown of England. You don't need to be making guilt by association arguments. The KJV has plenty of sinful blood on its hands.

You're promoting Israel and yet not using what Israel uses. What does that say about being double minded?
Like a good Gentile I WAS who's been infected by the heresy of the Gentile teachings of 1900 years I stopped playing "Steal-their-Inheritance-from-Israel" long time ago and now more-so trust the Holy Spirit and the Authorized Version, a version Authorized for the English-speaking people. I see God's hand in history and I'm secure.
Erasmus didn't use texts that were rejected by the prevailing churches of their day.
And you want to talk murderous?
Who gets to send billions to their eternal separation from God? The same Person who does the separating of goats and sheep.
Not King James. Not Erasmus. So, open your eyes and mind and smell the reality of the truth.
 
I don't get it. Who is your master, the one you follow onto death: Saul or Jesus and his God?
If there's no Old Testament precedence, then there is no New Testament reality.
IF it is not found in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets in type and shadow then there is no body of truth to take hold of.
The New Covenant writings are only Jewish Christians of the first century discussing their understanding of the Law, Psalms, and Prophets. There are no new covenants in their writings which include Gentiles into the Jewish Covenants AFTER-THE-FACT so let's not try to make a covenant where one does not exist. Peter wrote a third letter to Jewish Christians, why isn't that in the canon? Was he in some sin at the time? I thought he was an apostle. There is something suspect in that fact. How about the Gospel According to Peter? Wasn't he inspired? Who got to choose for me what was Bible and what wasn't? Why isn't the Didache in our cannon, or the Bishop of Hermas? I have every right as a born-again believer to challenge what is in our canon and why and to take a subjective view of it. Was Martin Luther really bias against the Jews the way Christians are today and didn't like the fact that God made no covenant with Gentiles which is the basis of his rejecting "Hebrews" as inspired or authorized? Why should I blindly uphold the pristine writings of Saul when he contradicts himself in two places where "righteousness" is concerned and changes a word in an OT prophecy to suit his ends in the new.
Test all things is my command.
 
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