Is anyone else a Seer?
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Wrangler
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Really.
Why does it matter why two witnesses were sent to Israel?
Wrangler
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Why should he do that after saying there is no Jew or Gentile church but we are all one in Christ?
jeremiah1five
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You can think what you want but I am accountable to God, not you or any other man.
And I know who I am in Christ. I know my history and where I come from, but you don't know where I come from. And I also know what God has spoken to me through prophecy and voice.
14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
Jn 8:14.
jeremiah1five
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Context. Prophecy is to and for Israel. They were sent to Israel and to Israel they go.
So, read it in context first before you try to make it apply elsewhere.
jeremiah1five
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Historically, the NRSV is translated from the corrupt Greek text of Westcott and Hort 1881.
I think Aland-Nestle was involved in the translation of the NRSV. All the modern day, new-age translations serve to bring confusion to the Gentile Church, and it has worked. Confusion is not of God.
praise_yeshua
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Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
jeremiah1five
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Let me guess...because it's the Word of God and TRUE Christians concern themselves with the Word of God?
praise_yeshua
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Corrupt? Westcott and Hort did what Erasmus did.
praise_yeshua
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Adam was not of Israel. Get it right. Based upon your own logic, don't appeal to Adam at all.
jeremiah1five
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Saul said that to Jewish Christians who were concerned with their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant and the Mosaic Covenant having been born-again of the Holy Spirit.
The whole letter is written to Jewish Christians in the Galatian region. Those fellowships were founded by Jewish Christians who returned from Pentecost and returned to their synagogues with Jesus on their lips.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal. 3:1–2.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal. 3:5–7.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal. 3:9–10.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.
Gal. 3:15–16.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,
Gal. 3:19.
Speaking to Jewish Christians:
23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [Jews] are all [Jews] the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [Jews] are all [Jews] one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye [Jews] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:23–29.
The ONLY PEOPLE that are heirs to the Abrahamic Covenant are JEWS.
Gentiles were not part of the Covenant when God made it and it is IMPOSSIBLE to add Gentiles into a closed Covenant after God made it. It is everlasting in the form God deemed it with Abraham. All attempts to add hard-core, idol-worshiping, uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles to the Abrahamic Covenant violates the Word of God in Covenant and is a violation of the God who made the Covenant.
And all TRUE CHRISTIANS should not be a party to such attacks on God and His Word.
Those that do so are FAKES!
Anja
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I'm definitely not a Seer but I have received a lot of sneers as in “You obviously don't know what you're talking about.”
On top of that I've had a few Jeers tossed my way. But the worst was that one time I was on the receiving end of a saucy jackanapes fleered at my credulity. Accompanied by a insulting by contemptuous facial expression, phrasing, and tone of voice.
On top of that I've had a few Jeers tossed my way. But the worst was that one time I was on the receiving end of a saucy jackanapes fleered at my credulity. Accompanied by a insulting by contemptuous facial expression, phrasing, and tone of voice.
jeremiah1five
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You need to study the history. That's what they said, that they were making a revision to the KJV but in reality they worked on a whole new Greek texts using older, unused-by-the-Church texts, and according to Westcott's own letters to his wife and his son's testimony were closet Catholics who exalted Mary. Marian worship.
jeremiah1five
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According to the lineage of Jesus Christ he was of chosen stock. But don't tell me God had covenant with Adam because there is no such thing. You won't find it in Scripture because it's not there so let's not add to the Bible.
God has chosen a family out of all the families of the earth and had given that family a Covenant of salvation that God has given to no one else. Not even to Gentiles.
Salvation is OF THE JEWS.
Honor them. Honor God. For it is hypocrisy to say "I love Jesus" but hate the people He's born from.
It's disgusting. Despicable. And to do so serves the god of this world.
And there is a great deal of so-called "Christians" (in name only) who serve the god of this world.
praise_yeshua
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I know the subject better than you do.
Erasmus edited manuscripts. He was a Catholic. He has no superiority to Westcott and Hort. Zero. They did the same. All the manuscripts are evidence. Not just the ones you prefer from your Catholic source. BTW, what Israelite was involved in editing of the KJV??
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praise_yeshua
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Who said I hated them. I don't. However, those you're claiming are superior are not. Just men like everyone else.
If there are no covenants with Adam, then why is Christ called the second Adam? Adam was a man of faith. So was Noah. So was Job. So was Enoch. They are the faithful you are abandoning.
looks like this thread might be coming to that point.
charismaticlady
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cc: @civic I see you are following our dialog so I'll include you. You've heard this before I think.
I can, and I think you will accept it if you believe in context. It starts with what we must be to insure a home in heaven, Rev. 22:11 - whatever state you die in is your eternal state. A born again Christian is either righteous or holy.
1 John 3:9 ("Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.") rides on the subject of 1 John 3:4-5 Lawlessness as its context. This chapter is on righteousness, not holiness (perfection). 1 John 3:7. (" Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.")
What is amazing about the New Covenant is we can be cleansed of all desire to commit mortal sins unto death, and still be called CLEAN while at the same time still commit trespasses such as exhibiting immature fruit of the Spirit which can hurt someone's feelings. Those are sins, but not unto death. 1 John 5:16-17. John 15 says we are CLEAN as long as we keep abiding in Jesus. 1 John 1:7 shows this. "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." Just remember Matthew 6:14-15 " “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
John 15:1-3-4
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
Now about holiness. That is perfection, and years away from first becoming righteousness at the time we were first born again of the Spirit. Peter provides the steps to take to insure our election. Don't ever forget verse 9.
2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble (perfection); 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Don't forget to abide in Jesus. We do that by obedience to our newly sensitized conscience where the Holy Spirit wrote God's laws.
1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us."
charismaticlady
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Sometimes you are dealing with a Troll. Put them on ignore, because you don't need to read it.
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
praise_yeshua
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Jesus dealt with "trolls" rather easily.
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